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[puroresu]

Just going back to saint's point about Kuyt being more a Jimmy Case, I often compare Kuyt to Sammy Lee. Case was a fella who would break your legs if you said hello (on the pitch). I had the pleasure of meeting him a few times and off the pitch he's nice as pie, but I wouldn't say Kuyt is that kind of player. Case was a fantastic player, who could cross, pass, tackle and get the odd goal with that rocket of a shot he had.

Whereas Kuyt and Sammy are both players with limited ability in all honesty who'd run for a million years in cause of this club. Sammy Lee's job at Liverpool was to simply mark out the opponent's best player. His best performance of this was the 84 european cup final where he marked falco out of the game. I think Kuyt could do the same...for example if we're playing United, you tell Kuyt "wherever Ronaldo is, you be there as well. Don't give him a moments peace." Because with all honesty, Kuyt doesn't have the ability to create, so he needs to learn to play a simple pass and let someone who can cross a ball create the chances.

I would go along with the Sammy Lee comparison as well as the Case one John. Strangely I never liked Sammy Lee as a player (maybe because he replaced Case?) or Brian Hall for that matter. Can't really explain why........ but Kuyt is another one who's effort and work rate you have to admire but will never be a favourite player of mine. 

I watched the match again last night, and the number of times Kuyt received the ball in space but struggled to control it and move off was incredible for a premiership player. By the time he got moving the Arsenal defence had regrouped and the tackle was coming in, and thats on a night when most of us agree he had a good game.

Thats what I see time and time again but somehow working hard means this can be acceptable.

[club_Levis]

Is he good enough?......No
Does he work very hard?......Yes

I think the thread starter appreciated the hard work that Kuyt
does especially since moving to the wing. It is there for all of us to see.

But the fact is Kuyt is NOT good enough, as a winger, for a club such as LFC because of his limited abilities and he also doesnt score enough as a striker to be in the 1st 11.

[Bammo]

Because with all honesty, Kuyt doesn't have the ability to create, so he needs to learn to play a simple pass and let someone who can cross a ball create the chances.

And yet he's got the 2nd highest number of assists for us (5 in league) after Gerrard (11 in league). Incidentally, 4 of Kuyt's assists have come since he's been moved to the wing.

But you keep convincing yourself he's shit and talentless while you celebrate the goals he scores and creates.

5 assists in the league and 3 goals.  For £10 mil + I expect better.

Everyone expects better. The point I'm making is that as poor as he supposedly is, he still has more assists than everyone other then Gerrard. Every criticism aimed at him must be aimed at the other players too.

Kuyt's control is supposedly terrible. He's no Ronaldo but I've seen Babel miscontrol as many simple passes as Kuyt.

His goal-scoring record is terrible. 3 league goals is poor but 6 in 10 champions league games is great. Maybe he should only play euro games?

He supposedly can't cross. He's put in as many good crosses as any other player this season. Babel, Pennant, Benny Noon, Riise, none of these are renowned crossers.

Kuyt isn't world class and so comes in for loads of stick. The thing is, most of our wide players/strikers are of similar standard (with differing strengths and weaknesses) but they seem to escape the flak Kuyt gets.

Is Kuyt good enough for Liverpool? Yes...but as a squad player. We need to buy a world class striker/winger to replace him in the 1st team.

[god_bless_john_houlding]

Because with all honesty, Kuyt doesn't have the ability to create, so he needs to learn to play a simple pass and let someone who can cross a ball create the chances.

And yet he's got the 2nd highest number of assists for us (5 in league) after Gerrard (11 in league). Incidentally, 4 of Kuyt's assists have come since he's been moved to the wing.

But you keep convincing yourself he's shit and talentless while you celebrate the goals he scores and creates.

5 assists in the league and 3 goals.  For £10 mil + I expect better.

Everyone expects better. The point I'm making is that as poor as he supposedly is, he still has more assists than everyone other then Gerrard. Every criticism aimed at him must be aimed at the other players too.

Kuyt's control is supposedly terrible. He's no Ronaldo but I've seen Babel miscontrol as many simple passes as Kuyt.

His goal-scoring record is terrible. 3 league goals is poor but 6 in 10 champions league games is great. Maybe he should only play euro games?

He supposedly can't cross. He's put in as many good crosses as any other player this season. Babel, Pennant, Benny Noon, Riise, none of these are renowned crossers.

Kuyt isn't world class and so comes in for loads of stick. The thing is, most of our wide players/strikers are of similar standard (with differing strengths and weaknesses) but they seem to escape the flak Kuyt gets.

Is Kuyt good enough for Liverpool? Yes...but as a squad player. We need to buy a world class striker/winger to replace him in the 1st team.

Kuyt is not good enough as a squad player for Derby never mind Liverpool.

I heard someone saying Kuyt made an assist against Newcastle I think it was because his shot hit the post and the rebound fell to our player and scored. Is that an assist? A miscontrol that fortunately fell into the path of Torres against Everton...is that an assist?

And what a load of bollox that other players don't come in for flack because of Kuyt. Go read the Pennant topic and say he doesn't get as much flack as Kuyt. Go read people's views on Voronin for the first leg against Arsenal...he got absoloutely slaughtered and that was for 5 minutes of a game. Riise in our house is hated by my lad. Riise just can't do a thing right for him. Aurelio comes in for stick week in week out, mainly from me. Babel has had his fair share of stick from many people, Bad Bob and Nanny Red mainly. So to say other people get away with because of Kuyt is total bollox.

[Bammo]

So you honestly think those other players come in for THE SAME AMOUNT of stick that Kuyt gets? Don't be a moron. I never said they don't get any stick, I said they don't get the same level of stick for the same mistakes.

Kuyt isn't good enough for Derby? He'd walk into their 1st team.

So what if some of his assists are lucky? I remember him crossing 2 for Torres (think it was against west hame) but you probably think they were mishits. Do we now not count unintended assists and goals?

Then that should apply to every other player. Chalk off some of Torres' and Gerrard's goals because they took deflections or weren't clean strikes. Crouch got an assist for Torres on Tuesday because of a flick on. Was it deliberate? Best not count it just in case.

It seems to be a feature amongst Kuyt haters on here that unless we prove he's a world beater that he must be the worst player ever. He's a decent player, nothing more, nothing less. All people on here are asking for is for him to be judged fairly.

[puroresu]

So you honestly think those other players come in for THE SAME AMOUNT of stick that Kuyt gets? Don't be a moron. I never said they don't get any stick, I said they don't get the same level of stick for the same mistakes.

Kuyt isn't good enough for Derby? He'd walk into their 1st team.

So what if some of his assists are lucky? I remember him crossing 2 for Torres (think it was against west hame) but you probably think they were mishits. Do we now not count unintended assists and goals?

Then that should apply to every other player. Chalk off some of Torres' and Gerrard's goals because they took deflections or weren't clean strikes. Crouch got an assist for Torres on Tuesday because of a flick on. Was it deliberate? Best not count it just in case.

It seems to be a feature amongst Kuyt haters on here that unless we prove he's a world beater that he must be the worst player ever. He's a decent player, nothing more, nothing less. All people on here are asking for is for him to be judged fairly.

He has been judged fairly.  I lost faith in kuyt this time last year and knew he wasnt good enough.  However many and there was many kept saying "12 goals in good in first season and next year he will improve".  Well this is his 2nd season and he aint improved at all. If anything his been even worse.  His not good enough.  Its obvious to see and no amount of workrate can change that.

[LFC2007]

The same fella who endorsed his selection prior to the Arsenal game (even though we have Pennant who is apparently better than Ronaldo) says he isn't good enough to be a squad player for derby?

[god_bless_john_houlding]

yes and who scored against Arsenal smart ? I think it was Kuyt...so it shows just how much I know doesn't it.

He's not good enough, never has been and never will be.

[god_bless_john_houlding]

yes and who scored against Arsenal smart ? I think it was Kuyt...so it shows just how much I know doesn't it.

He's not good enough for a permanant place in any premiership side. Just because I thought he'd do well against Arsenal (which of course he did) doesn't mean he's good enough for a regular place.

[LFC2007]

No, it goes to show what a complete tit you are.

[god_bless_john_houlding]

yes by stating Kuyt should play against Arsenal...the same game Kuyt scores.

How silly of me.

I say lets play Crouch and Torres up front...we win 4-2. Again very silly of me for seeing what works best.

[LFC2007]

I need to spell it out?

What a f*cking surprise:

If Kuyt isn't good enough to be a squad player for derby, he sure as f*ck isn't good enough to start in one of our toughest UCL fixtures in recent years, away to Arsenal.


Clear?

Yes.

Now f*ck off you stupid f*cking WUM.

[kunilson]

Kuyt has an unbelievable work rate. He puts the opposition team under pressure by simply covering so much ground.....he gets involved with most of our attacking play for the same reason.

He has adapted to the role on the right well because even when he was a striker he seemed to drop more into midfield then lead the line. Ive never seen him prolific in front of goal, he has come up with goals now and then but not enough. Now there used to be the debate of whether rafa made him drop off in midfield on purpose, did that take away from his game? but when i have seen him in the box he seems to have the right idea but never the right execution, this was before his personal problems.......in the season where he was "settling in".

His touch is poor at times, he can bring other players into the game but he can't create space for himself, he can't take on a man or produce a cutting pass or piece of skill when really needed. And he doesn't really have great pace either....


Overall he's consistant in his workrate and in most other departments of his game he's at a standard which is ill say, is ok. I think he is good enough for our squad......for now....you can count on him to do the job in most matches which is why i think rafa likes to pick him.

[god_bless_john_houlding]

well when I say he should play against Arsenal and he scores in that same game, I think that's great vision by me. Shows a wealth on knowledge. I'll give meself a tap on the head for getting it spot on AGAIN. *taps himself on the head*

When you have an opinion and get it right, you can do the same. But then again we could be waiting sometime for you to form an opinion on anything football related.

As for Kuyt at Derby...Miller and Villa have scored as many league goals as Kuyt, so he's hardly going to improve them as a forward is he? Great signing he would be for the rams eh

[LFC2007]

To think you actually consider your point(s) (most of your views) valid is a frightening indictment of your mental capacity.

100% pure WUM