by Reg » Mon May 21, 2007 9:43 pm
*Juventino* wrote:Liverpool would have gone to Spain for the withdrawal on the occasion of the Ending of Champions League for motives for doping.
by Leonx » Mon May 21, 2007 9:44 pm
by supersub » Mon May 21, 2007 10:20 pm
by account deleted by request » Mon May 21, 2007 10:25 pm
supersub wrote:I'm done...off to bed..getting picked up by taxi 2.30am ...speak Thursday night,as Champions of Europe..
by Jan Cuelemans » Mon May 21, 2007 10:37 pm
by Emerald Red » Mon May 21, 2007 10:46 pm
KAKA22 wrote:zarababe wrote:Justice - Where is the justice in this
Why Milan should not be in the CL - The Guradian:
Last summer, Milan were implicated in the Calciopoli scandal, which began when phone-taps revealed the general manager of Juventus, Luciano Moggi, had been attempting to control the selection of officials for Serie A matches. Moggi's club suffered the harshest punishment, being stripped of their league title and relegated to Serie B, but Milan - along with Lazio and Fiorentina - were also found guilty of lesser charges.
In Milan's case, their refeering liaison officer, a restaurateur from Lodi called Leonardo Meani, was said to have made incriminating phone calls, one of which was to Gennaro Mazzei, the Italian Football Association's [FIGC] head of linesmen, after Milan had lost 2-1 to Siena. Meani criticised the appointment of one linesman in forthright terms: "I don't want him. I never asked for him nor wanted him." And he added a request for their next match: "On Wednesday, try to send two intelligent ones."
Although the charges were on a much smaller scale than those levelled against Moggi and Juventus, they were nevertheless enough to incur a retrospective deduction of 44 points from the total with which Milan had earned second place in Serie A in the 2005-06 season, plus an advance deduction of 15 points from the present season. On appeal, however, these were lowered to 30 points and eight respectively, the former being just enough to put them in third position, ensuring them a place in last August's qualifying round of the Champions League, while the latter made inclusion in next year's tournament a realistic ambition.
For Juventus, being erased from the final table of the 2005-06 season meant they would automatically be excluded from the Champions League and many felt the same punishment should be inflicted on the other clubs involved in the scandal. At the headquarters of Uefa, however, it was discovered that the governing body's rules did not allow it to override the decisions of a national association. If the FIGC deemed Milan fit to represent them, there was nothing that could be done.
"It was very simple," William Gaillard, Uefa's head of communications, told me. "Our executive committee could only take up the matter after the Italian sentences were confirmed, because there were many appeals. The Italian association sent us their list of clubs, which included Milan. Some of the committee had misgivings about the situation, but when we examined our statutes and regulations we saw that we could not do anything about it because, in matters such as this, the national association was sovereign.
"The only possibility was to change our statutes, and that was done at our congress in Düsseldorf in January. Now we have the power to intervene. If a team has been game-fixing or affecting results, and if the case is sufficiently grave, Uefa will be able to exclude them."
Welcome as the change may be, it came several months too late to exclude Milan from this year's competition, which they are now the bookmakers' favourites to win for a seventh time on Wednesday. And there are those, such as Crerand, who will find it difficult to take comfort from the knowledge that, at least on paper, things will be different in the future.
"They're a smashing team, Milan, and maybe they didn't know what was going on," Crerand concluded. "Or would some of them have known? You'd have to ask them. Obviously the players want to win the top trophy, but if you do it unfairly, is it worth it?"
How the punished clubs have fared:
Milan Docked eight points, they lie fourth in Serie A and have reached the Champions League final
Fiorentina Started with minus 15 points but now stand fifth
Lazio With only three points to make up, they are third in Serie A
Reggina Began 11 points down and hover above the relegation zone
Siena Only one point deducted but they are in danger of the drop
Juventus Relegated with nine-point deficit, but have won promotion
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Typical of UEFAalways F***ingwell acting after the event !
the truth is that u r just scared like hell to meet us again in the Final...If not u wouldn t be interested at all about this...
by CapitanoN6 » Mon May 21, 2007 11:25 pm
by Igor Zidane » Mon May 21, 2007 11:28 pm
by Woollyback » Mon May 21, 2007 11:43 pm
by CapitanoN6 » Mon May 21, 2007 11:56 pm
by MasterBlaster » Tue May 22, 2007 1:18 am
Emerald Red wrote:KAKA22 wrote:zarababe wrote:Justice - Where is the justice in this
Why Milan should not be in the CL - The Guradian:
Last summer, Milan were implicated in the Calciopoli scandal, which began when phone-taps revealed the general manager of Juventus, Luciano Moggi, had been attempting to control the selection of officials for Serie A matches. Moggi's club suffered the harshest punishment, being stripped of their league title and relegated to Serie B, but Milan - along with Lazio and Fiorentina - were also found guilty of lesser charges.
In Milan's case, their refeering liaison officer, a restaurateur from Lodi called Leonardo Meani, was said to have made incriminating phone calls, one of which was to Gennaro Mazzei, the Italian Football Association's [FIGC] head of linesmen, after Milan had lost 2-1 to Siena. Meani criticised the appointment of one linesman in forthright terms: "I don't want him. I never asked for him nor wanted him." And he added a request for their next match: "On Wednesday, try to send two intelligent ones."
Although the charges were on a much smaller scale than those levelled against Moggi and Juventus, they were nevertheless enough to incur a retrospective deduction of 44 points from the total with which Milan had earned second place in Serie A in the 2005-06 season, plus an advance deduction of 15 points from the present season. On appeal, however, these were lowered to 30 points and eight respectively, the former being just enough to put them in third position, ensuring them a place in last August's qualifying round of the Champions League, while the latter made inclusion in next year's tournament a realistic ambition.
For Juventus, being erased from the final table of the 2005-06 season meant they would automatically be excluded from the Champions League and many felt the same punishment should be inflicted on the other clubs involved in the scandal. At the headquarters of Uefa, however, it was discovered that the governing body's rules did not allow it to override the decisions of a national association. If the FIGC deemed Milan fit to represent them, there was nothing that could be done.
"It was very simple," William Gaillard, Uefa's head of communications, told me. "Our executive committee could only take up the matter after the Italian sentences were confirmed, because there were many appeals. The Italian association sent us their list of clubs, which included Milan. Some of the committee had misgivings about the situation, but when we examined our statutes and regulations we saw that we could not do anything about it because, in matters such as this, the national association was sovereign.
"The only possibility was to change our statutes, and that was done at our congress in Düsseldorf in January. Now we have the power to intervene. If a team has been game-fixing or affecting results, and if the case is sufficiently grave, Uefa will be able to exclude them."
Welcome as the change may be, it came several months too late to exclude Milan from this year's competition, which they are now the bookmakers' favourites to win for a seventh time on Wednesday. And there are those, such as Crerand, who will find it difficult to take comfort from the knowledge that, at least on paper, things will be different in the future.
"They're a smashing team, Milan, and maybe they didn't know what was going on," Crerand concluded. "Or would some of them have known? You'd have to ask them. Obviously the players want to win the top trophy, but if you do it unfairly, is it worth it?"
How the punished clubs have fared:
Milan Docked eight points, they lie fourth in Serie A and have reached the Champions League final
Fiorentina Started with minus 15 points but now stand fifth
Lazio With only three points to make up, they are third in Serie A
Reggina Began 11 points down and hover above the relegation zone
Siena Only one point deducted but they are in danger of the drop
Juventus Relegated with nine-point deficit, but have won promotion
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Typical of UEFA
the truth is that u r just scared like hell to meet us again in the Final...
Wise up, you f@ggot! We fear no one! At the end of the day, your club are a bunch of cheating w@ankers that disgrace the sport. Shame, as I thought AC had better respect.
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