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[LFC2007]

However I cant really understand what concerns re or what prohibits  a caretaker manager for rest of the season

If we assume Kenny would be the caretaker, then there is the risk of a massive build up of expectation, inspired by memories of past glories and better days, that could be expected to follow his appointment. NESV might see that as a risk if performances weren't to significantly improve after his appointment. Alternatively, if he was a deemed a success, they might feel bound to keep him on for longer than they would like, so as not to disappoint the supporters. Such a situation might cost them the opportunity to hire a younger, more suitable manager, who might be available at the end of the season.

Personally, I would take the risk and begin the search for a longer-term option, to take place between now and the end of the season - if a suitable candidate isn't currently available, that is. It can't be greater than the risk of keeping on Roy.

[Calum]

If RH stays any longer, we will be dragged into a relegation fight. The man doesn't have the balls to be Liverpool manager. There should have been two Roys sacked today - not one. The owners can't afford to drag their feet for much longer.

[LFC2007]

How about "we are aware of the situation with regards to the fans anger about our season so far, we are concerned ourselves with our recent performances and understand that we need to improve, this transfer window opportunity will give us a chance to look at what needs strengthening the most and hopefully solve 1 or 2 problems to improve our performances and at the end of the season have a full assessment on what has gone wrong and how to amend it."

Something, anything, like I said I can understand the frustration. The one thing I want to know is, will we have money to spend this month?

I think they've answered most of those questions already in their interviews, mate, without obviously giving too much away in terms of transfer spending and the like, because that has the potential to weaken the club;s position in the transfer market and also build expectations that could influence the way we do business (by spending too much on a player who isn't worth it, for instance). They've only just arrived and the transfer window has only just opened, so you can't expect them to have made too many changes already. If by the summer we aren't seeing major changes, that's the time to get worried.

[7_Kewell]

If RH stays any longer, we will be dragged into a relegation fight. The man doesn't have the balls to be Liverpool manager. There should have been two Roys sacked today - not one. The owners can't afford to drag their feet for much longer.

and bring in who? Kenny?

From what i've heard, he wants the job for keeps, and we'll end up in a Celtic sitation where they had to sack him at the end of the season in order to get a new younger manager.

For Nesv, that would be like shooting Bambi, and it's not a situation they want to get embroiled in.


At least that's what i've been told.

[Calum]

If RH stays any longer, we will be dragged into a relegation fight. The man doesn't have the balls to be Liverpool manager. There should have been two Roys sacked today - not one. The owners can't afford to drag their feet for much longer.

and bring in who? Kenny?

From what i've heard, he wants the job for keeps, and we'll end up in a Celtic sitation where they had to sack him at the end of the season in order to get a new younger manager.

For Nesv, that would be like shooting Bambi, and it's not a situation they want to get embroiled in.


At least that's what i've been told.

Kenny is a better option than Roy. That's not hard. And why would they sack Kenny? I doubt he'll get us relegated. And if not Kenny, bring in Martin O'Neill or even bring back Rafa. Nobody can be as bad as RH.

[whichisfair]

Just for interest's sake I've made a quick spreadsheet to calculate all LFC manager's points per game, which as far as I'm concerned is the best measure of their overall performance. For some reason everywhere I look lists their win percentage, which is far less revealing than points per game. Anyway, take a look (and note the respective company being kept by Benitez and Hodgson):

MANAGER PPG
John McKenna / WE Barclay 1.98
Tom Watson 1.52
David Ashworth 1.8
Matt McQueen 1.48
George Patterson 1.36
George Kay 1.45
Don Welsh 1.3
Phil Taylor 1.73
Bill Shankly 1.81
Bob Paisley 1.97
Joe Fagan 1.9
Kenny Dalglish 2.08
Graeme Souness 1.55
Roy Evans 1.8
Evans / Houllier 1.5
Gerard Houllier 1.8
Rafael Benítez 1.9
Roy Hodgson 1.52

[7_Kewell]

If RH stays any longer, we will be dragged into a relegation fight. The man doesn't have the balls to be Liverpool manager. There should have been two Roys sacked today - not one. The owners can't afford to drag their feet for much longer.

and bring in who? Kenny?

From what i've heard, he wants the job for keeps, and we'll end up in a Celtic sitation where they had to sack him at the end of the season in order to get a new younger manager.

For Nesv, that would be like shooting Bambi, and it's not a situation they want to get embroiled in.


At least that's what i've been told.

Kenny is a better option than Roy. That's not hard. And why would they sack Kenny? I doubt he'll get us relegated. And if not Kenny, bring in Martin O'Neill or even bring back Rafa. Nobody can be as bad as RH.

you misunderstand what i'm saying.

KENNY WANTS THE JOB LONG TERM. By that I mean not as a caretaker but permanent as our new manager.

[Calum]

If RH stays any longer, we will be dragged into a relegation fight. The man doesn't have the balls to be Liverpool manager. There should have been two Roys sacked today - not one. The owners can't afford to drag their feet for much longer.

and bring in who? Kenny?

From what i've heard, he wants the job for keeps, and we'll end up in a Celtic sitation where they had to sack him at the end of the season in order to get a new younger manager.

For Nesv, that would be like shooting Bambi, and it's not a situation they want to get embroiled in.


At least that's what i've been told.

Kenny is a better option than Roy. That's not hard. And why would they sack Kenny? I doubt he'll get us relegated. And if not Kenny, bring in Martin O'Neill or even bring back Rafa. Nobody can be as bad as RH.

you misunderstand what i'm saying.

KENNY WANTS THE JOB LONG TERM. By that I mean not as a caretaker but permanent as our new manager.

I didn't misunderstand. I didn't say anything to the contrary. I don't have a problem if Kenny was to get the job long term.

[7_Kewell]

well Nesv don't agree. They don't see our long term future with a guy who's been out of the game for 15 years.

[Calum]

It was 2000 when he finished as Celtic manager, so it isn't 15 years. Though I know it's still a long time in football. I'm only saying it's better to remove Roy now than wait until the end of the season, and I don't care if it isn't Kenny who gets the job.

[Kharhaz]

How about "we are aware of the situation with regards to the fans anger about our season so far, we are concerned ourselves with our recent performances and understand that we need to improve, this transfer window opportunity will give us a chance to look at what needs strengthening the most and hopefully solve 1 or 2 problems to improve our performances and at the end of the season have a full assessment on what has gone wrong and how to amend it."

Something, anything, like I said I can understand the frustration. The one thing I want to know is, will we have money to spend this month?

I think they've answered most of those questions already in their interviews, mate, without obviously giving too much away in terms of transfer spending and the like, because that has the potential to weaken the club;s position in the transfer market and also build expectations that could influence the way we do business (by spending too much on a player who isn't worth it, for instance). They've only just arrived and the transfer window has only just opened, so you can't expect them to have made too many changes already. If by the summer we aren't seeing major changes, that's the time to get worried.

Well thats fair enough with regards to the questions at that time, but I think its fair to say, we need to know what is going on now. I understand that they are new owners, I also understand that they need to get there own facts right before making major decisions, also I understand as to why they are not making a big noise regarding transfers due to inflated prices for mediocre players, but what is happening now, this is were we need an answer. We need to know we are not going to be relegated before NESV make a decision. We need to know whether or not Roy will still be in charge for the rest of the season, we need to know whether we will have some changes regarding players. The silence, for whatever reasons they have to offer, is frustrating. Some kind of indication that something will happen soon to improve the situation we are currently in would be nice.

[jono]

I read the news today, oh boy
About a lucky man who never made the grade
And though the news was rather sad
Well, I had to laugh
I saw the Hodgson out
I packed my bags into a car
I didn't notice that the cameras were on
A crowd of people stood and stared
They'd never seen such a sad face before
Nobody was really sure If I'm man or an owl.

I lost the match today oh boy
The English Manager had just lost another game
A crowd of people turned away
but I just had to look
Having fcked it up
I'd love to get my pay day

Woke up, fell out of bed,
Dragged my hand across my head
Found my way downstairs and was gonna be out the job,
And looking up I noticed all the hate.
Found my coat and phoned my media lot
Missed the bus for the owners chat
Found my way upstairs and had a smoke,
and Fergie spoke and I went into a dream

3-1 was the score in Blackburn, Lancashire
And though the goals were rather poor
They had to count them all
Now I know how many defeats it takes to see my name on the wall.
I'd love to get my pay day

[Kharhaz]

I read the news today, oh boy
About a lucky man who never made the grade
And though the news was rather sad
Well, I had to laugh
I saw the Hodgson out
I packed my bags into a car
I didn't notice that the cameras were on
A crowd of people stood and stared
They'd never seen such a sad face before
Nobody was really sure If I'm man or an owl.

I lost the match today oh boy
The English Manager had just lost another game
A crowd of people turned away
but I just had to look
Having fcked it up
I'd love to get my pay day

Woke up, fell out of bed,
Dragged my hand across my head
Found my way downstairs and was gonna be out the job,
And looking up I noticed all the hate.
Found my coat and phoned my media lot
Missed the bus for the owners chat
Found my way upstairs and had a smoke,
and Fergie spoke and I went into a dream

3-1 was the score in Blackburn, Lancashire
And though the goals were rather poor
They had to count them all
Now I know how many defeats it takes to see my name on the wall.
I'd love to get my pay day

Im sure you found this amusing.

I find it sad.

Heres the way I look at it. Those on the kop singing "you'll never walk alone", will never again be associated with this club, because to me, when we faced an uphill battle, when we saw all odds against this club, we never rallied to fight a battle, we never saw reason and clubbed together to see this club restored to its rightful greatness, we all resorted to the same attitude other clubs have. We have always mocked other clubs supporters on how they behave, as a Liverpool supporter on this forum, and thanks to the many other "supporters" we have regular updates from RAWK who apparently represent us all, with the regular insults, mockery and jibes that Roy is a joke, all I can say is, regardless of who the next manager is, as supporters, in my eyes, if ever any one of us cast a judgemental eye over any other clubs supporters, I will say, was your attitude any different?

[jono]

this smiley will do   

[akumaface]

I wondering if all the hearsay about all the players supporting the manager is true. I mean if my boss ask me in front of my whole fecking company and ask if I'm supporting the manager, I would have no choice but to say "Hell Yeah". So, it really depends how the survey was performed. If it is true that they supported Roy, why they didn't show that on the field? In most of the game i saw, they didnt really care and had no clues in what they were doing. I thought a manager was suppose to be graded by the result. When we are not getting any result or improvement, the management would need to make that decision even if the players like their manager especially you don't see any improvement. I mean, looking at the table, Bolton has more points than us. The team Roy left had more points than us. Don't tell me we have a sh.itter squad than them. Also, by the way Roy was conducting his interview, it really embarrass all the Liverpool Supporter. Please tell me one thing that he got it right this season to justify his prolonged stay. In the end, if the owner dont cut their tide soon and start moving forward, they will also be suffering. If the club is out of Europe or even relegated, there will be fewer sponsorship, no top players will come and most top players will leave the team. Not to mention no new stadium. If the owner underestimate the effect the current situation has, it will be very worrying time for us fans indeed.