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[dawson99]

lately tho it seems like rafa is unable to make a substituion before the 60th minute.

of course, last season with cheatski i remember maureen just buning huth or terry up front which made even less sense.

I cant stand maureen, but he did rev the players up and was a great league manager. and i wanna win the league. major catch 22. maybe maureen would be like savage, you love him if he plays for you, everyone else will hate you tho. at the moment tho we are a laughing stock around other clubs with our league status, and that has to change somehow

[NANNY RED]

One thinig Mourinho has is the pragmatic ability to see whether the game is going to plan, and if not, to bring on players to change things. Rafa rarely wins games for us with his subs.

S@int stands back and awaits blast from Leon about how subs changed the game in CL FINAL, FA CUP FINAL etc etc.

The fact that Rafa uses all his subs in almost every game seems to elude him

Dont worry about Leon, I think he's alright really. But in any case I'll back you up S@int. 

Ha but im not Leon

only just read them posts of you to

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Have to disagree with you a bit there tel regarding the Rafa Rafa rarely wins games with his subs Istanbul remember

That was three years ago Nanny FFS, what about in between times, we shouldnt keep pointing back to the CL as a comfortable reminder in how great Benitez is.

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One thinig Mourinho has is the pragmatic ability to see whether the game is going to plan, and if not, to bring on players to change things. Rafa rarely wins games for us with his subs.

S@int stands back and awaits blast from Leon about how subs changed the game in CL FINAL, FA CUP FINAL etc etc.

The fact that Rafa uses all his subs in almost every game seems to elude him

Dont worry about Leon, I think he's alright really. But in any case I'll back you up S@int. 

Ha but im not Leon

only just read them posts of you to

Nanny I'll just give you a SLAP n tickle 

[Sabre]

You could mention the Everton game this season too, won after the subs, we have done several late match wins this season if I recall correctly.

I think that the "he reads the game better"-ish opinions vary depending how popular is the manager that month. As we speak Rafa's popularity is not in a maximum, but quite the opposite, so it's not surprising he's compared even with Klinsmann, and now Mourinho is even considered suitable instead of Rafa for dozens of Liverpool fans. 1 year ago that would have been unthinkable. But this is football.

From this outer view, when I read some of you scousers, for some reason I don't find very compatible your attitude with the one Mourinho used to show when coached Chelsea. Has earned Mourinho in Chelsea credit enough to move to a bigger club like Liverpool?

He has obtained two premiership titles, but he has needed a lot of money muscle for that. If that muscle is not provided by H&G, will he do the same? in how much time?

Too many doubts about Mourinho, if I have to be honest. I liked Capello if Rafa had to go, but now he's in England, I don't have many ideas.

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Have to disagree with you a bit there tel regarding the Rafa Rafa rarely wins games with his subs Istanbul remember

That was three years ago Nanny FFS, what about in between times, we shouldnt keep pointing back to the CL as a comfortable reminder in how great Benitez is.

That was just one example though of a great tacticians usage of subs/

As a fan for donkeys years we could have had this same disscussion when we had some of our previous managers in charge we could of all jumped on the Fergie bandwagon alls im sayin is i prefer Rafa to Mourinio and would love to see him at a club where he has to use this tactical genios that hes got . A club with no millions then if he proves me wrong yes ill hold me hands up.

Im not sayin hes a bad manager just in my opinion i think Rafa is better

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You could mention the Everton game this season too, won after the subs, we have done several late match wins this season if I recall correctly.

I think that the "he reads the game better"-ish opinions vary depending how popular is the manager that month. As we speak Rafa's popularity is not in a maximum, but quite the opposite, so it's not surprising he's compared even with Klinsmann, and now Mourinho is even considered suitable instead of Rafa for dozens of Liverpool fans. 1 year ago that would have been unthinkable. But this is football.

From this outer view, when I read some of you scousers, for some reason I don't find very compatible your attitude with the one Mourinho used to show when coached Chelsea. Has earned Mourinho in Chelsea credit enough to move to a bigger club like Liverpool?

He has obtained two premiership titles, but he has needed a lot of money muscle for that. If that muscle is not provided by H&G, will he do the same? in how much time?

Too many doubts about Mourinho, if I have to be honest. I liked Capello if Rafa had to go, but now he's in England, I don't have many ideas.

Don't forget Sabre we went for Mourinho BEFORE we went for Rafa. So its not a case of moving from Little Chelsea to big Liverpool.

If we had signed him then rather than Rafa would we now have two more league titles to our name....... not a chance in hell. Would we have made title challenges.... probably.

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[Don't forget Sabre we went for Mourinho BEFORE we went for Rafa. So its not a case of moving from Little Chelsea to big Liverpool.

If we had signed him then rather than Rafa would we now have two more league titles to our name....... not a chance in hell. Would we have made title challenges.... probably.

I agree with the not a chance in hell bit Saint and probably the bit concernin the title challenge

But you could look at it the other way IF we would have got Mourinio . The possibility was there for Rafa to go to Chelsea . Would they have won Champions leagues Yes imo
Would they have still won the prem Yes

[tel]

One thinig Mourinho has is the pragmatic ability to see whether the game is going to plan, and if not, to bring on players to change things. Rafa rarely wins games for us with his subs.

S@int stands back and awaits blast from Leon about how subs changed the game in CL FINAL, FA CUP FINAL etc etc.

The fact that Rafa uses all his subs in almost every game seems to elude him

Both those games were won by a single player, and from memory, Steven Gerrard started both of those games.

Take a look at every disappointing result we've had this year. Who came on, and did they impact the result?

How many half time substitutions has Rafa ever made that were not due to injury?

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[Don't forget Sabre we went for Mourinho BEFORE we went for Rafa. So its not a case of moving from Little Chelsea to big Liverpool.

If we had signed him then rather than Rafa would we now have two more league titles to our name....... not a chance in hell. Would we have made title challenges.... probably.

I agree with the not a chance in hell bit Saint and probably the bit concernin the title challenge

But you could look at it the other way IF we would have got Mourinio . The possibility was there for Rafa to go to Chelsea . Would they have won Champions leagues Yes imo
Would they have still won the prem Yes

I think Chelsea would have probably won the CL under Rafa (and maybe more than once!) BUT i'm not convinced about the title. Its all hyperthetical I know but thats my opinion. Chelsea had a big squad, but big enough for Rafa ?

[tel]

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Mourinho is a better motivator, and reads the game better.

Rafa is better at preparation and planning, but once the whistle is blown, I question Rafa's ability to change things.

One thinig Mourinho has is the pragmatic ability to see whether the game is going to plan, and if not, to bring on players to change things. Rafa rarely wins games for us with his subs.

Have to disagree with you a bit there tel regarding the Rafa Rafa rarely wins games with his subs Istanbul remember

I could give you a couple more (wheres Saint to look thing up when you need him)

Might be a better motivator at winding the opposition fans up

As i said in another thread i would love to see how good Mourinio is when he is managing an ordinary team without ,millions at his disposal ill make my mind up on him then.

You mean like managing a team like Porto? If they only won the league with Mourinho, I'd say you are right to be cautious. But there were a couple of UEFAs and Champions league titles he won there with what were at the time players no-one had heard of. His biggest star was Benni McCarthy who plays for Blackburn not Juventus

And I think the Real Mardid galactico experiment proves that buying the most expensive players in the world doesnt guarentee you success. Sure Mourinho had an easier job at Chelsea than he would have at Fulham, but Chelsea wont win anything with their current manager either

[tel]

You could mention the Everton game this season too, won after the subs, we have done several late match wins this season if I recall correctly.

I think that the "he reads the game better"-ish opinions vary depending how popular is the manager that month. As we speak Rafa's popularity is not in a maximum, but quite the opposite, so it's not surprising he's compared even with Klinsmann, and now Mourinho is even considered suitable instead of Rafa for dozens of Liverpool fans. 1 year ago that would have been unthinkable. But this is football.

From this outer view, when I read some of you scousers, for some reason I don't find very compatible your attitude with the one Mourinho used to show when coached Chelsea. Has earned Mourinho in Chelsea credit enough to move to a bigger club like Liverpool?

He has obtained two premiership titles, but he has needed a lot of money muscle for that. If that muscle is not provided by H&G, will he do the same? in how much time?

Too many doubts about Mourinho, if I have to be honest. I liked Capello if Rafa had to go, but now he's in England, I don't have many ideas.

Come off it Sabre. Bringing on Leiva for Gerrard is hardly a shining example of his substitution capabilities. If we had lost that game, the very supporters now (rightly) backing rafa against the owners would have been demanding his replacement from that game.

I hated Mourinho as coach of Chelsea as much as I hate Ferguson coach of Utd. But last time I checked he's no longer coaching them.

Would you refuse Capello as coach of Sociedad because he used to coach R Madrid?

[tel]

[Don't forget Sabre we went for Mourinho BEFORE we went for Rafa. So its not a case of moving from Little Chelsea to big Liverpool.

If we had signed him then rather than Rafa would we now have two more league titles to our name....... not a chance in hell. Would we have made title challenges.... probably.

I agree with the not a chance in hell bit Saint and probably the bit concernin the title challenge

But you could look at it the other way IF we would have got Mourinio . The possibility was there for Rafa to go to Chelsea . Would they have won Champions leagues Yes imo
Would they have still won the prem Yes

I think Chelsea would have probably won the CL under Rafa (and maybe more than once!) BUT i'm not convinced about the title. Its all hyperthetical I know but thats my opinion. Chelsea had a big squad, but big enough for Rafa ?

Mourinho doesnt use big squads. Look at the stats. The two titles he won at Chelsea he consistently played the same core of players.

No rotation.

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Mourinho is a better motivator, and reads the game better.

Rafa is better at preparation and planning, but once the whistle is blown, I question Rafa's ability to change things.

One thinig Mourinho has is the pragmatic ability to see whether the game is going to plan, and if not, to bring on players to change things. Rafa rarely wins games for us with his subs.

Have to disagree with you a bit there tel regarding the Rafa Rafa rarely wins games with his subs Istanbul remember

I could give you a couple more (wheres Saint to look thing up when you need him)

Might be a better motivator at winding the opposition fans up

As i said in another thread i would love to see how good Mourinio is when he is managing an ordinary team without ,millions at his disposal ill make my mind up on him then.

You mean like managing a team like Porto? If they only won the league with Mourinho, I'd say you are right to be cautious. But there were a couple of UEFAs and Champions league titles he won there with what were at the time players no-one had heard of. His biggest star was Benni McCarthy who plays for Blackburn not Juventus

And I think the Real Mardid galactico experiment proves that buying the most expensive players in the world doesnt guarentee you success. Sure Mourinho had an easier job at Chelsea than he would have at Fulham, but Chelsea wont win anything with their current manager either

Agreed he won the Champions league beating Marseille maybe he won the portugese league but how many teams are are actually top teaams in that league

Rafa broke the Barca = Madrid stonghold in a far superior league and won in Europe also with no money.

I Dunno mate the jurys still out on him for me . He likes to be bigger than the club he likes to think he is the club and as Daws said in one of hes posts im not sure if its in this thread Chelsea seem to be doing ok without him.

Id like to ask you one question would you sooner have him as our manager instead of Rafa

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Mourinho is a better motivator, and reads the game better.

Rafa is better at preparation and planning, but once the whistle is blown, I question Rafa's ability to change things.

One thinig Mourinho has is the pragmatic ability to see whether the game is going to plan, and if not, to bring on players to change things. Rafa rarely wins games for us with his subs.

Have to disagree with you a bit there tel regarding the Rafa Rafa rarely wins games with his subs Istanbul remember

I could give you a couple more (wheres Saint to look thing up when you need him)

Might be a better motivator at winding the opposition fans up

As i said in another thread i would love to see how good Mourinio is when he is managing an ordinary team without ,millions at his disposal ill make my mind up on him then.

You mean like managing a team like Porto? If they only won the league with Mourinho, I'd say you are right to be cautious. But there were a couple of UEFAs and Champions league titles he won there with what were at the time players no-one had heard of. His biggest star was Benni McCarthy who plays for Blackburn not Juventus

And I think the Real Mardid galactico experiment proves that buying the most expensive players in the world doesnt guarentee you success. Sure Mourinho had an easier job at Chelsea than he would have at Fulham, but Chelsea wont win anything with their current manager either

Agreed he won the Champions league beating Marseille maybe he won the portugese league but how many teams are are actually top teaams in that league

Rafa broke the Barca = Madrid stonghold in a far superior league and won in Europe also with no money.

I Dunno mate the jurys still out on him for me . He likes to be bigger than the club he likes to think he is the club and as Daws said in one of hes posts im not sure if its in this thread Chelsea seem to be doing ok without him.

Id like to ask you one question would you sooner have him as our manager instead of Rafa

I'd rather have Rafa. But not this pig headed version.

I want him to be less rigid with his football philosophies. He still goes round like he's learnt nothing in 4 years in English football.

Play your best players, let them achieve consistency, and forget about rotation theories. And he should stop persisting with playing underperforming players like Kewell and Kuyt just because he wants to be proven right.