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[Octsky]

it is sad because we do have the players to challenge for the title.
but recent events unraveling show that we have a greedy and incompetent management; delays in Agger's and rafa's contracts, benching of keane, dubai courtship.
these are unnecessary distractions. how can we win the league like this when behind the scene is a big bloody mess?!!?-

[The_Rock]

Just got a SMS from a manure supporting colleague that Fergie was interviewed by BBC and he mentioned he was absolutely delighted with our result....

Fergie got no class at all......


Hope gerrard prints the article and pastes it in our lockerroom....if this doesn't get the lads fired up against chelsea...nothing will.

My bad.....i got the wrong info from my colleague

It wasn't Fergie...it was his b1tch Mr Fugly himself ...steve bruce..

His exact words :

"I'm sure Mr. Ferguson will be delighted with the result"

I did mention that he will take it easy against manure a few weeks..... 

I am sick of all the ex-manure players becoming managers........

[Owzat]

I will see what happens against Chelsea. If we don't win that one, or even worse lose it, we had better start hoping we beat Everton in the Fa cup, because we arn't going to win the league.

We are hanging onto our title challenge by the skin of out teeth, one bad result in the next couple of weeks and we can forget it.

I said we need to go on a winning run a few games ago, we've gone on a drawing run instead. We've now lost the least games in the Premiership AND drawn the most (outright), too many draws is a trait of a team mid-table as villa used to do a lot.

So we need to start winning games, trouble is now the games we have to win to make it a significant run include Chelsea at home and I believe we need to beat the mancs at home. Truth is our odds are 8/1, Chelsea's 4/1 and the mancs 4/9, and that reflects how it is (source SSN I believe, definitely on TV in the last hour)

Rafa simply doesn't have any tactical nous worth having. Bruce brought on Koumas, he won the penalty that got them a point and he brought on Rodagalla who hit our woodwork - what did our subs do?!?!?! In fact he took off our two main hopes come sources of goals, how clever was that?!?! When you have Tinky Winky, La La, Dipsy and Po on the field at the same time you can't seriously expect to win (Keane, Lucas, Babel and Kuyt)

I'm beginning to accept that those who suggest we'll never win the league under Rafa are probaby right.

[Number 9]

I wasn't banned so free to come and go as I please and just laughing at ciggy going from a 700 quid loss to a 400 quid loss in 2 posts.

Being right on rafa is like being employee of the week at mcdonalds, a loser and a winner at the same time. 

Anyway I find it funny how some of you gave me stick and now are saying you hope we get beat in CL.

Feel free to keep abusing me if it makes you feel better about yourselves.

Peewee knows nothing about football because he is not a top manager. 

Are you a Liverpool fan WeePee?

First and foremost he's a Peewee fan!

Peewee this "I told ya so" is pathetic lad..what age are you again..14 is it?
Everyone knows you've been reading the board and not posting in the first half of the season(while we were going really well) and popping up with the odd cameo proved it!

All of a sudden it looks like the wheels may be coming off and what a coincidence..up pops Peewee with the"I was right all along line"
Well done you lad..you must be chuffed to bits.Once again you have proven that you are a superior being and far more intelligent than 99% of the planet..lets all praise a great brain!(note the sarcasm please) cause your that far up your own shi'ebox I fear you may take that literally!
Im sure you felt great last night watching our title hopes fade to fu'ck.You just could'nt resist coming on here reveling in it,obviously being right and predicting we wont win the League means a lot to you...more than the team doing well!

Good lad..a round of applause for Pee,he's a star!
Now why dont ya fuc'k back off to your Coc'ks in frocks forum!
Bye!

[Ciggy]

I am more gutted than last night cant believe it 

[lakes10]

dam it was not a bad dream, turned the tv on and the first thing to come on was Rafa face saying that we controlled the first half.

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Just to put this in perspective :-

1 Man Utd 24 12 1 0 31 3 6 2 3 17 8 37 57
2 Arsenal 24 11 2 0 29 8 6 4 1 20 9 32 57
3 Chelsea 24 8 4 0 23 8 8 1 3 14 8 21 53
4 Everton 24 7 2 3 23 11 6 2 4 17 12 17 43
5 Aston Villa 24 7 2 4 20 16 4 6 1 23 15 12 41
6 Man City 24 9 3 0 20 8 2 5 5 11 17 6 41
7 Liverpool 23 4 6 1 23 9 6 4 2 14 8 20 40
8 Blackburn 24 5 3 4 13 13 5 5 2 19 18 1 38
9 Portsmouth 24 3 6 2 14 9 7 1 5 20 16 9 37

Things were a lot worse this time last year.

[Ciggy]

Rafa in todays daily post

“We’ve been giving away too many points. Especially in the last three games, they all have something in common that I don’t like.

“I know why it is happening but I can’t say anything. The players were working had in the first half by then it was a crazy second half.

“It’s not driving me crazy. I am calm about it. You cannot control it and when you cannot change things then they will be like things for years.”

Whats he on about? 

[GRAHAM01]

Just to put this in perspective :-

1 Man Utd 24 12 1 0 31 3 6 2 3 17 8 37 57
2 Arsenal 24 11 2 0 29 8 6 4 1 20 9 32 57
3 Chelsea 24 8 4 0 23 8 8 1 3 14 8 21 53
4 Everton 24 7 2 3 23 11 6 2 4 17 12 17 43
5 Aston Villa 24 7 2 4 20 16 4 6 1 23 15 12 41
6 Man City 24 9 3 0 20 8 2 5 5 11 17 6 41
7 Liverpool 23 4 6 1 23 9 6 4 2 14 8 20 40
8 Blackburn 24 5 3 4 13 13 5 5 2 19 18 1 38
9 Portsmouth 24 3 6 2 14 9 7 1 5 20 16 9 37

Things were a lot worse this time last year.

yes but being where we were 3 weeks ago is where we should still be we have gone from top to 3rd letting a 7 point lead turn in to a 5 point deficit 7 draws in the last 10 games has destroyed us and killed the team who were playing a lot better but now they look like a team that know they won't win and that has to change and very quickly or we will be in another BIG fight for 4th!! great

we all had high hopes for this year and it looked like we had turned the corner and would make a go of it but since the rafa rant ( and i'm not blaming that ) we seem to have slipped back in to playing last years mode the start of the season we were not playing great but we were winning games because we were attacking now rafa has changed his mind and started to turn things defencive again and we are as i said back to last year

[Ciggy]

Last season we drew 13 league games. This season we have drew 9 league matches and there will be more, so have we improved really?

[lakes10]

Rafa in todays daily post

“We’ve been giving away too many points. Especially in the last three games, they all have something in common that I don’t like.

“I know why it is happening but I can’t say anything. The players were working had in the first half by then it was a crazy second half.

“It’s not driving me crazy. I am calm about it. You cannot control it and when you cannot change things then they will be like things for years.”

Whats he on about? 

what he is trying to say is he is fed up with teams sitting back when they play us or try to kick us off the park.

but what i say is smalll teams have been doing that for a very long time and the other big teams still beat them.



too me it all adds up to the fact that he has lost his mind, i see the men in the white coming for him very soon.

[bigmick]

Well in absolute fairness, everyone takes the p!ss out of the manager always saying we controlled the game but we actually did control that one. The problem though was the same as it pretty much has been all season, we didn't get a second goal. You could also argue that we never really looked like getting one either, and although they didn't create much it was hardly the biggest surprise in the World when they equalised.

A couple of posters have talked recently about the manager "getting the hang of the Premiership", and to some extent he has. We didn't mass rotate from game one this season for instance, which had obvious beneficial consequences. He tried to sign proven premiership players in the Summer, recognising that certain players don't seem to take to it, despite having ability. This reluctance to see though, this failure to accept that football in England is cut and thrust, end to end in which the most ambitious team often prevails is a mystery to me.

Because of the way the rules are interpreted in England, you will come under sustained pressure as an Away team in the last five minutes or so if you're only one goal to the good. Because you can challenge for and press the ball, because teams are happy to lump it in, and because the Home fans demand that they "have a go", they will. It really doesn't matter how much you've controlled it up until that point, teams are going to get free kicks, corners etc and they are going to attack you in numbers. As such, to be only one goal to the good is a risk, which you ought to try and take steps to avoid in the period where you are "controlling the game". Further, if you take all your offensive players off (or in this case both of them to be more accurate) teams will see it as an open invitation and attack you in ever increasing numbers.

Now on here we have our resident stat man, Owzat. Mystifyingly to me, some find him and his stats a right royal pain in the erse but leaving that aside, he does provide some fascinating insights. From reading his posts I am now totally convinced that you ought to be aiming to win 27 games, and that draws are more of a hinderance than a help. He posts on here for free, so it seems to me Rafa has two choices. He can either read the stats on here while he's having his Moccacino after training, or he can employ someone at the club to tell him he needs to win 27 or so football matches. Either way, having been given the information he would then realise that holding back, settling for a point, trying to close games out and trisking drawing them etc is madness. If we can afford 20.3 million quid to spend on a striker we don't like, surely we can afford to pay somebody to have a look at how many games teams which win the league generally win during the course of a season.

I remember Rafa saying at the start of last season that he once won the title with Valencia having drawn a stack of games, and apparently he did. What worries me a bit though, is that this was his fourth season in the Premiership and he still hadn't really got that it wouldn't work over here. This is his fifth, and seemingly he still hasn't. He may well be getting the hang of the Premiership, but how long till we can say he's got it. Two more years so he's had as much time as Ferguson perhaps?

[lakes10]

Well in absolute fairness, everyone takes the p!ss out of the manager always saying we controlled the game but we actually did control that one. The problem though was the same as it pretty much has been all season, we didn't get a second goal. You could also argue that we never really looked like getting one either, and although they didn't create much it was hardly the biggest surprise in the World when they equalised.

A couple of posters have talked recently about the manager "getting the hang of the Premiership", and to some extent he has. We didn't mass rotate from game one this season for instance, which had obvious beneficial consequences. He tried to sign proven premiership players in the Summer, recognising that certain players don't seem to take to it, despite having ability. This reluctance to see though, this failure to accept that football in England is cut and thrust, end to end in which the most ambitious team often prevails is a mystery to me.

Because of the way the rules are interpreted in England, you will come under sustained pressure as an Away team in the last five minutes or so if you're only one goal to the good. Because you can challenge for and press the ball, because teams are happy to lump it in, and because the Home fans demand that they "have a go", they will. It really doesn't matter how much you've controlled it up until that point, teams are going to get free kicks, corners etc and they are going to attack you in numbers. As such, to be only one goal to the good is a risk, which you ought to try and take steps to avoid in the period where you are "controlling the game". Further, if you take all your offensive players off (or in this case both of them to be more accurate) teams will see it as an open invitation and attack you in ever increasing numbers.

Now on here we have our resident stat man, Owzat. Mystifyingly to me, some find him and his stats a right royal pain in the erse but leaving that aside, he does provide some fascinating insights. From reading his posts I am now totally convinced that you ought to be aiming to win 27 games, and that draws are more of a hinderance than a help. He posts on here for free, so it seems to me Rafa has two choices. He can either read the stats on here while he's having his Moccacino after training, or he can employ someone at the club to tell him he needs to win 27 or so football matches. Either way, having been given the information he would then realise that holding back, settling for a point, trying to close games out and trisking drawing them etc is madness. If we can afford 20.3 million quid to spend on a striker we don't like, surely we can afford to pay somebody to have a look at how many games teams which win the league generally win during the course of a season.

I remember Rafa saying at the start of last season that he once won the title with Valencia having drawn a stack of games, and apparently he did. What worries me a bit though, is that this was his fourth season in the Premiership and he still hadn't really got that it wouldn't work over here. This is his fifth, and seemingly he still hasn't. He may well be getting the hang of the Premiership, but how long till we can say he's got it. Two more years so he's had as much time as Ferguson perhaps?

I dont think you can give him 2 more years unless we end up 2nd and win something, but it must be a very close 2nd.

but to say i would be unhappy to see him get the sack today would be a lie.

[Ciggy]

but to say i would be unhappy to see him get the sack today would be a lie.

We have a very big problem Lakes and its them b@stard owners. And who they would employ. Because no top manager will be wanting to join our club in the sorry state of affairs its in.

[bigmick]

Just to put this in perspective :-

1 Man Utd 24 12 1 0 31 3 6 2 3 17 8 37 57
2 Arsenal 24 11 2 0 29 8 6 4 1 20 9 32 57
3 Chelsea 24 8 4 0 23 8 8 1 3 14 8 21 53
4 Everton 24 7 2 3 23 11 6 2 4 17 12 17 43
5 Aston Villa 24 7 2 4 20 16 4 6 1 23 15 12 41
6 Man City 24 9 3 0 20 8 2 5 5 11 17 6 41
7 Liverpool 23 4 6 1 23 9 6 4 2 14 8 20 40
8 Blackburn 24 5 3 4 13 13 5 5 2 19 18 1 38
9 Portsmouth 24 3 6 2 14 9 7 1 5 20 16 9 37

Things were a lot worse this time last year.

Well at around this point last season S@int we began to see the light and played broadly the same team and formation in every match. Strangely, that coincided with us winning quite a lot of matches on the bounce and we ran on, into fourth.

At the start of this season we decided to give it another go, and got ourselves to the top of the league. As predicted, we have been going on a bit of a stylothon these last few weeks, so perhaps if we try sticking with broadly the same team and formation from game to game from now on, it might even work again you never know.

For me, the player which contributed the most to our downfall was the fella with the silliest name. Papa, Bouba bl00dy Diop. That was our first styled team, Pompey at Home. We played terrible of course and would have drawn there as well until that plank handled it inexplicably. We might have got our fingers burned then and there and learned our lesson if it hadn't been for him. Once we didn't, the seeds were sewn.

Similarly, as I said at the time beating Newcastle 5-1 with a styled team was the worst thing which could have happened. It was Sunderland away all over, I can remember Sissoko's goal even now. Who got the 2nd, Voronin I think. Those were the days eh?

It's time to put out the best team and to go for it. No point in saving players for important matches, they'll not play in any which are more important than the next few league ones, that's for sure.