Stevie g as captain - Help or hinderance?

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Postby stmichael » Thu Sep 02, 2004 11:29 am

madred wrote:For those who havent seen this i thought it would make interesting reading? Taken from issue 42 of The Liverpool Way by Peter Schulz.  STEVEN GERRARD - WHAT NOW?

I have a feeling that not many will agree with me when i say that i was throughly dissapointed with the actions of Steven Gerrard over the summer.While apparently helping to push GH out the door, a man he had publically backed so unmistakably, he was actually considering leaving himself. Now, while no one blames the lad for having amibitions, we should not make the mistake of thinking that the thought of leaving LFC simply "entered his mind" as he said at the press conference. It did much more than that and Steven was as good as a Chelsea player when he returned from his holiday in Portugal. No amount of vociferous claims to the contrary and suggestions that it was all the work of the Chelsea media circus will change that. Gerrard wanted to leave us to go to Chelsea. Not Real, Juventus or any other great team abroad. He wanted to join Chelsea. Upon his return to merseyside it must have finally hit home what he was really doing. How much heartbreak would he have caused in Liverpool, Thailand, Scandinavia and everywhere else and perhaps more importantly, how much he would remove himself from his roots. This was a decision that would not only change his career. Nay, it was one which would be defining of the rest of his life and that of his family, now and in the future. Im not condoning any kind of threats or anything like that(if true) but he must have known that things like that happen in society today. However much we distance ourselves from it, Gerrard would have been persona non grata in Liverpool for the rest of his life. Some suggest it was his Mother while others say his Father who made him realise it would have been the biggest mistake he would ever make. Whoever or whatever it was i now fear the decision to stay could well have been made for all the wrong reasons. Gerrard claimed at the press conference that he was 100% commited to the club but how could he possibly be, if it had taken him 3-4 weeks of courting and negotiating with Chelsea through Terry and Lampard(who would had the deal gone through, surely have earned a new contract with the blues for his work on that deal alone) before he could finally make the decision to stay. I think deep down, Gerrard made the decision out of fear. Fear of people's possible reactions towards him and his family. Looking at it pessimistically, you could argue that he is now staying because his parents still hold power over him despite him being in his twenties. One can only fear that the decision will be reconsidered should we have a poor season under Benitez. It is a possibility with the probable introduction of a different formation and style of play to that under GH. People are now hailing Gerrard as some kind of Messiah, labelling his decision to turn down Chelsea at the last min conclusive proof that integrity still exsists with football today. The romantics are pleased. While part of me is well pleased that Gerrard is staying at LFC, another part if me is not convinced that we will see him at the peak of his abilities because a move to Chelsea or wherever will always be at the back of his mind. How would 2-3 early consecutive defeats in the league or a early Champions league exit affect his ability to focus on LFC 100%. For me that question remains unanswered. The question about him remaining a captain is also a interesting one i think. His weeks of indecision (and thats giving him the benifit of the doubt) will have told the other players ay the club what he thinks of their abilities as opposed to those of the Chelsea players. If i was a LFC player (I can always dream eh) I think i would find it strange to find myself captained by a man who quite clearly didnt think me worthy of a red shirt. While having been a fantastic servant to the club since he was 8, surely this doubt about his commitment (by his own admission) should mean the captaincy being given to the one man currently worthy of it. Step forward Jamie Carragher. It wont be, of course, as that would be Parry and Benitez's public admission that they do not believe him when he says he is 100% commited to LFC. And that wont happen in a million years.

Hard hitting and thought provoking.

excellent article that. :)
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Postby Starbridge42 » Thu Sep 02, 2004 11:34 am

Indeed, a superbly written article.
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Postby madred » Thu Sep 02, 2004 2:17 pm

Its left a sour taste in my mouth to think that he nearly left us for Chelsea and many would probably say to me well he didnt so stop going on about it but like i said seeing Stevie in a red shirt just isnt what it was last season when he was totally commited to the club and most of us didnt even think for one second that he would be talking of a deal while in Portugal to take him to Stamford bridge. I dreaded England making more progress in that tournament and was delighted when they got knocked out because i wanted the situation resolved about him. The longer he stayed out there the longer he would have to listen to the Chelsea boys, Sh*g Goran Erikson and that horrible t*t Kenyon. It was agonising to say the least waiting for a statement form him to confirm what the hell he was going to do. The press conference wasnt convincing at all to me. I know Stevie is a shy lad probably but all i saw was a player who wanted to go but couldnt because of what he had been advised by his parents, friends etc. Its like everything he said were the words of his parents, friends or even Rick Parry.
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Postby jim_morrison_supported_liverpool » Thu Sep 02, 2004 4:21 pm

i dont think its as bad as you make out. i agree with the whole point of it being his family and friends who changed his mind,  but thats exactly what i think happened-he changed his mind, after getting onto what was goin on.
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Postby Scottbot » Thu Sep 02, 2004 4:37 pm

I can't see past Stevie as our captain but it is obvious we need a few more captains to stand up and be counted. We've got Sami but i don't believe he is the same dominating player of a few seasons ago. And don't forget we are not only missing Owen's goals but his leadership as well. Carra looks to have grown again this season an it would be good to see him given the vice-captaincy (who is VC? - Is it Sami?)
It will take a bit of time, but when Rafa gets us playing as a TEAM our captain will learn that he doesn't have to drag his teamates kicking an screaming to every result.
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Postby jim_morrison_supported_liverpool » Thu Sep 02, 2004 4:47 pm

since when was michael owen a leader?
its not the chilli sauce on kebabs that give you ring-sting, its the actual meat. had one without chilli, and still had ring-sting. the chilli's only there to mask the nonsense they stuff inside that bread.
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Postby madred » Thu Sep 02, 2004 5:14 pm

Jim i hope your right mate and its not as bad as what i have said. Maybe im a little over the top and i hope Rafa can turn things around and Stevie can see that Anfield will be the place to be for many years to come so most of us can forget about whether or not he is still unsettled.
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Postby Redrider » Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:32 pm

When Real Madrid, come knocking on the door. Stevie G will fold up his Nr 8 jersey with his pictures of Roger Hunt, pack his bag's and take the Easyjet to Spain. Be concerned, because RM are still looking for a Galactico midfielder, remember who they failed to sign at the last minute. Why didn't they sign Alonso ? - answer, They really wan't Stevie G.!! Owen is just a pathfinder for him. Sad to say, but there we go. :(  :(
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Postby kindaconfuzed » Thu Sep 02, 2004 9:12 pm

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good posting but what does it mean?
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Postby Redrider » Thu Sep 02, 2004 9:22 pm

Kinda, It means a lot of heartache and emotion being expressed on these pages. :cool: :cool:
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Postby kindaconfuzed » Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:02 am

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Cheesy man, it looks like your right re Stevie G and the latest news and posting re the move to Spain. ???
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Postby Redrider » Tue Sep 07, 2004 8:30 am

He's on his way. And the board will sell for £30m plus. As it will solve a lot of money issues, pay-off for David Moores and Pay for new Stadium.
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Postby Ciggy » Tue Sep 07, 2004 8:50 am

We shall just have to enjoy him while we still have him im afraid because hes said himself when real come knocking u dont turn them down :( Ill be gutted if he goes but I prefer him abroad than have to face him 2 maybe 3 times a year in the prem, and all this talk about alonso being just as good etc is this getting us used to him not being there any more is that why raffa played him outwide against bolton to get alonso fitted in his spot? Maybe hell stay but Im 99% sure he will go to RM and hell say I gave it one more go and it didnt work out etc :(
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Postby LFC #1 » Tue Sep 07, 2004 9:58 am

Gerrard would be a massive lost, he is irreplaceable, but with the tranfer money from the sale (if he goes, IF) and players like alonso then we can keep going strongly without him. He won't go though.  :)
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Postby kazza » Tue Sep 07, 2004 12:52 pm

You cannot replace Gerrard. His engine, drive and fighting spirit is not found too often. Although there may be more skilled players, you cannot work on spirit. You either have it or not. If he is for sale, I hope Raffa values him at 60 mil +. This will force Real to take a sh1t or get off the pot!

By the way, when Real come knocking they don't always get their man. Ask Viera.
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