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Postby The Ace1983 » Wed Feb 09, 2005 5:12 am

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A.B. wrote:Ace, when Mourinho was asked if he had a meeting with Cole he said that he was in Milan that day talking to Adriano.

Looks like Adriano will probably sign for Chelsea in the summer

I know Chelsea have the money. But Real have the glory and can still compete with Chelsea in the wages department. Mourinho isn't Adriano's only suiter you know. La Porta, and Perez have also been making house calls.

dunno if Adrinao will go to Madrid, I think they may get Robinho and with Owen, Raul and Ronaldo already there then they have enough strikers as it is.

Since when has Perez cared about having too many players? all he cares about are the names. He didn't NEED Beckham, but that didn't stop him. If he is going to be spending this amount of £, then who else would he go for apart Gerrard? Robinho won't cost much in comparrison, he won't go for Viera again, Reyes wouldn't cost that much, so who else? The only names that I could put up there, are Kaka, Totti and Shevcenko. He won't go for any of them, so I can see the lure of the Galacticos stroking his chin and beconing him from the blues to the whites. Money talks, but the romance and stature of becoming a galacticos shouts. Gerrard may well go the same way...
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Postby LFC #1 » Wed Feb 09, 2005 1:37 pm

I can see him going For Totti, who has said publicly if Roma don't start being competitive then he will leave - good point on Perez though, but not sure Adriano would be happy with the situation.
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Postby jonnymac1979 » Wed Feb 09, 2005 1:39 pm

Latest sh!te from Sky Sports

He's just a commodity to these clubs isn't he?  Ar$ehole$.  Doing my head in now.  I hate the speculation. 

Doesn't he want to stay with us and attract bigger and better players?  The sooner the close season comes and we can get this sorry saga sorted out once and for all the f**king better.........
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Postby stmichael » Wed Feb 09, 2005 1:40 pm

mourihno has already said that a "major world star" is his main transfer target for next season.

if i had to put money on it i'd say that ronaldo will be at the bridge next season.
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Postby LFC #1 » Wed Feb 09, 2005 2:21 pm

stmichael wrote:mourihno has already said that a "major world star" is his main transfer target for next season.

if i had to put money on it i'd say that ronaldo will be at the bridge next season.

my guess would be Ronaldinho or Adriano.

Ronaldo isn't a bad bet either.
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Postby JBG » Wed Feb 09, 2005 10:56 pm

A.B. wrote:Ace, when Mourinho was asked if he had a meeting with Cole he said that he was in Milan that day talking to Adriano.

Looks like Adriano will probably sign for Chelsea in the summer

Depends on who you listen to.

Some of the other papers had it that it was Andriyv Shevchenko.

Adriano or Shevchencko in Chelsea's team? Scary thought.
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Postby the great one » Wed Feb 09, 2005 10:58 pm

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A.B. wrote:Ace, when Mourinho was asked if he had a meeting with Cole he said that he was in Milan that day talking to Adriano.

Looks like Adriano will probably sign for Chelsea in the summer

Depends on who you listen to.

Some of the other papers had it that it was Andriyv Shevchenko.

Adriano or Shevchencko in Chelsea's team? Scary thought.

Newcastle fans must be gutted  :D  :D
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Postby The_Rock » Thu Feb 10, 2005 7:06 am

how much a$$ does chelsea/chelsea players have to kiss to get gerrard there :p

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Lampard: Gerrard's in Zidane class

Frank Lampard today named Steven Gerrard alongside Zinedine Zidane as one of the best midfielders in the world. The Chelsea star is set to partner Gerrard against Holland in tonight's friendly at Villa Park and could ultimately be playing with his England team-mate at club level too.


The Liverpool captain almost joined Chelsea in a £30million deal last summer only to reject the transfer following a last-minute change of heart. Jose Mourinho's side have been linked with a renewed bid at the end of this season but look certain to face competition from Real Madrid.

It would clearly be a signing welcomed by Lamapard. Asked who he rated as the best midfielder in the world, the 26- year- o ld told theFA.com: "I think I play with one of them, Steven Gerrard. On the form over the last 18 months, he does it week in, week out. I think he's fantastic.

"When you throw it out to a world football, it's Zidane. I wouldn't call him so much a central midfielder in the mould of me or Steve but I think he's the player that really has been my favourite for the last few years. Playing against him you realise the man is a real genius as a footballer."

Lampard will tonight be rewarded for his own emergence as one of Europe's top midfielders when he is presented with the first of what could be three Player of the Year awards.

A full house at Villa Park will look on as Lampard is presented with the England Player of the Year Trophy as voted by the fans on the FA's official website.

One of the supporters who voted in the poll, Sunderland fan Mick Longstaff, will present the trophy before kick-off.

Lampard emerged top of the poll by a considerable margin, taking 40 per cent of the vote with Wayne Rooney (16 per cent) second and Gerrard (9.8 per cent) third.

The trophy is the first of three that Lampard, who wins his 30th senior cap tonight, could pick up by the end of this season.

The midfielder is also a front-runner for the Professional Footballers Association award and the Football Writers' poll, the result of which is announced at the end of the season.

Lampard said: "It was a great year and I am delighted to win the award.

"It's not that long ago that I was in and out of the team and more of a squad member than a team member but I've pushed on a lot this year. It's a great reward and I'm really proud to have won it."

As well as cementing his place in the heart of Eriksson's midfield, Lampard has scored six goals in his last 11 matches for England, including the opener in the 2-1 defeat to France at Euro 2004.

He believes an extended run in the starting line-up has been the key to his outstanding form.

Lampard said: "Confidence comes from within. I broke through into the team properly in the year before the Euros. Before that I was much more of a squad member.

"When we played against South Africa [in May 2003] I came on and as a sub, played well, and then got involved in the next qualifier against Slovakia.

"That was my first qualifier, and the fact I was starting a qualifier gave me a bit of belief. From then on I played quite regularly last season.

"In the Euros I wasn't sure I was going to start and by starting it gave me real confidence in that tournament and from then on I scored goals and felt very comfortable."

Eriksson added his own tribute today, indicating that Lampard will be a fixture in his side for many seasons to come.

The England coach said: "He is always consistent, he never plays badly. If I was a player voting for the best in the year then Frank would certainly be very high on my list.

"I would say he is a very important player these days in the England team and is always improving. He's played nearly all the games for Chelsea over two years.

"He defends well, he's a good tackler, he's good on the ball, passes well and scores goals."

Tonight's match at Villa Park is a 42,500 sell-out.
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Postby maximus » Thu Feb 10, 2005 11:52 pm

Posted on RAWK, I love this post - and very very thought provoking:

Posted by JessRed76 on February 1, 2005, 11:46:48 AM 

As a lifetime AC Milan fan, with a Liverpool supporting girlfriend, I would like to give you my view on Steven Gerrard and his future at Liverpool.

Steven Gerrard: 24 years old, Liverpool captain, from Merseyside, a homegrown talent. Now, I believe most of you reading have played football when kids (some of you are probably still playing now, like me, in those cold Sunday mornings, in some local amateur league, sorting out the nets, the money for the ref, bringing home muddy boots for the missus' delight...).

We all started in the same fashion and so did Mr Gerrard: in the streets and in the school playgrounds, with jumpers for goalposts, spending hours arguing wether the ball was or wasn't gone over a bar that wasn't there to begin with. Preferring a game of football with your mates to anything else that there was in life. And if we weren't playing football... we would be watching it.

Whether you were a striker or a defender, whether you were good or bad, whether you were you or you were Steven Gerrard the dream was one for all of us:

TO WEAR THE LIVERPOOL SHIRT AND THE CAPTAIN'S ARMBAND AT ANFIELD IN FRONT OF THE KOP

You can change that to AC Milan and the San Siro if for me. I am sure every single one of you had that dream of putting on the Red shirt and the armband. Some of you probably still do! Well, so did Steven Gerrard.

This is why as a neutral I can not understand nor tolerate the fact that the guy is even thinking of a career outside Liverpool! Can you?

Being captain of your own team at the age of 24, playing Champions League football ... is that not enough?

If Gerrard was to stay he almost certainly will be Liverpool captain for another 10 years. He will almost certainly win trophies in the next 10 years. He will be Liverpool greatest player during his nearly 20 years with the club's first team. He will be a legend. He will probably be remembered as the best Liverpool player ever. He will be what Franco Baresi has been to Milan.

Does anyone know what Baresi did in the early eighties? Here's what has happened: At 14 Baresi joins Milan after Inter (where is older brother was playing) rejected him, how foolish of them! He makes his debut very young and in 1979 wins the title with Milan. A couple of years later Milan gets relegated from Serie A to Serie B. The club is in a mess having being involved in match fixing and the club's owner ran away. The club was in total crisis, seeing the light at the end of the tunnel was impossible.

A few weeks later city's rival Inter make an offer for Baresi and Baresi's partner in the middle of the defence Collovati. Straight away Collovati joins Inter. A then very young Baresi (21-22) is made captain of a falling giant. He's regarded by most as the best young talent of his generation and the 1982 World Cup is around the corner. Staying with Milan playing in Serie B would probably jeopardise his chances of going to the World Cup. Joining Inter would mean playing alongside his brother and enjoying the race for title every season at a club flushed with money. Collovati had no doubt in his mind that the right choice was to join Inter. But what did Baresi do? The similarity with the Steven Gerrard's situation was so big I had to write this article.

Liverpool are nowhere near as bad as AC Milan was in the early eighties.

What should Steven Gerrard do? What did Franco Baresi do?

I am sure most of you know what Baresi did but I'll tell you anyway: HE STAYED AT MILAN! He played for them in Serie B. He was so good he was picked for the World Cup squad anyway. Milan won the Serie B league and came straight up only to go down again one season later. More offers came in for Baresi. Did he regret his original choice? Did he join Inter, Juve? Did he? Of course he didn't. He played for Milan in Serie B again. That's what I call a man!

In the following years with Milan he won promotion and then went on to win the European Cup three times (now better known as Champions League), he won the Intercontinental Cup twice, the European Super Cup 3 times, the Italian League 5 times (to add to the win in 1979), and played a total of 5 European Cup Finals. He became for every Milan fan 'Il Capitano' (The Captain, capital T and capital C).

When he retired from football in 1997 the club not only organised a match for him in the San Siro where 85,000 paying supporters saw him and the Milan players play the likes of Maradona, Romario, Careca, Koeman, Mattheus but also the jersey with the number 6, the number he worn for so many years, was retired as well. No more Milan players will ever wear the number 6 (this week has been announced that the same will happen with Paolo Maldini's number 3 when he retires).

Thinking forward should Gerrard commit himself to Liverpool for life? I can not see why he shouldn't be able to experience the same glory and all time legendary status. It all goes back to that one dream we had when we were playing in the streets. The day that dream ends football will end with it. I wish Steven Gerrard will realize this.

By the way: how many of you knew who Collovati was? To Milan fans he's a traitor, that's all, who left the club in their hour of need. I have to wash my mouth every time I say his name. Baresi in contrast is an immortal.

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Postby KARMANI » Fri Feb 11, 2005 1:15 am

Story taken from British Media:

Gerrard deserves better. Without him, England would be nothing. Rumours are that the future England captain has been holding secret talks with Brazilian bosses about a move to the Brazil national team. One of our sources claims "Gerrard wants to win medals. He wants to win the world cup. He doesn't think he can do that with England and would relish the chance to play for a great team like Brazil or Italy."

It is thought Argentina and France are also interested in the 25-year-old, should he deside to move.



Sorry about the facetious remarks, but lastnight's match was pointless and if that was Liverpool playing, the media would slaughter us and again be trying to stir up ****** with Gerrard.
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Postby simic_ie » Fri Feb 11, 2005 1:53 am

I think this is an excellent Stevie article and I truly hope that Stevie reads this. Top Class


Last weekend, with the sort of theatrical flourish not deployed by a television football commentator since David "One-Nil" Coleman last announced an FA Cup final goal, John Motson emitted a startling banshee-like wail which seemed to be wrought in the pit of his very soul: "Sssccccrrrrrreeeeeeeamerrrrrrrr!"

It's a screamer!

A screamer?

What actually happened was this: in a dull match between Liverpool and Fulham, Steven Gerrard lightly sliced the underside of a dropping ball and sent it meekly backspinning about 15 feet over the bar.

Now go back a couple of weeks, and Liverpool are "playing" Southampton at St Mary's. Midway through the second half, the away side launch what would be their only half-arsed attack of the match, a move which culminates in one of their midfielders sending the ball flying at a speed of up to 1mph along the floor. Who could it be!

"NOW THAT'S MORE LIKE IT FROM STEVIE G!!!" the commentator cried out using audible bold italics and a WWF-announcer-on-Viagra-and-'roids-and-six-pints-of-Stella-Artois macho rasp.

Mix in, among other things, rabid Evertonian Andy Gray's bid for Most Disingenuous Celebration Of All Time - that ridiculous "Ya beeeeeauty!" as "Stevie G" "rescued the day" against Olympiakos in the Champions League - and a repeat howl from Motson during Sven's latest snooze-athon on Wednesday night after a Gerrard into-the-stand ankle-shank, and I think we can safely say we have a problem.

And that's because everyone seems to be suffering from an inexplicable lack of perspective when it comes to Gerrard. It was bad enough last season, but at least then he was practically dragging Ged Houllier's lumpen team into the Champions League places of a dreadful division by himself. This season he's been doing no such thing, and - while there's nearly a wondrous player in there somewhere - quite frankly it's all getting totally out of hand.

Blame that goal against Olympiakos. A superb strike from 25 yards, hit at such a dramatic time during the progress of a big tournament that you could set its worth in millions. As such, and in summary, well done. Very well done! But the way the media reacted afterwards, as the clip was shown on loop on a separate dedicated channel throughout the month of December, you could have sworn Gerrard had been the sole architect of this particular legend.

"Gerrard was outstanding," thundered the Telegraph, "leading by example, thrilling the Kop with his patent commitment to the cause!"

"The performance of a lifetime!" telegraphed the Thunderer.

Meantime a bloke from the Mirror who, going by his picture byline, appears to be one of the blokes who used to be in Cast (oh all right it's David Maddock) added: "There are times when big men must stand up to be counted. Gerrard went to the top of a mountain to answer his calling last night."

Not bad when, in reality, he had been nigh on invisible for most of the game, unable to impose himself against workaday midfield opposition. The real heroes of a three-goal, second-half blitz were Florent Sinama-Pongolle and Neil Mellor, who both scored one and brilliantly set up another. Indeed Mellor, on the pitch for a full 11 minutes, may have stopped to wonder how some get all the credit for contributing 50% as much in over 400% the time.

The media's disproportionate reaction to Gerrard's performances isn't the player's fault. But journalists aren't the only ones getting things wildly out of whack. Constantly threatening to leave - "I want to win things with this club, but I haven't got time on my side" - or witlessly screaming "I'm the man" at his own fans (while celebrating a goal against ... Portsmouth) suggest it's time for everyone to return to earth.

Because Stevie G, it seems, is not actually "the man". As of now, Liverpool have won a higher percentage of their games this season without him in the side than with. And lost a lower percentage. When he's not in the team, they score, on average, more than half-a-goal a game more, while picking up a higher average of Premiership points per match. Luis Garcia has a better goals-to-shots ratio than our hero. And as for which Liverpool player is highest up the Opta rankings? Well it's ...

...actually, you already know the answer, don't you? It's a strange state of affairs when one of the Best Players In The World™ isn't even the best midfielder at his club, but there it is. In the run up to Christmas, with Xabi Alonso artfully pulling the strings from deep and allowing Gerrard to concentrate simply on attack, Liverpool were beginning to emerge (admittedly slowly and erratically) as a proper footballing side for the first time in years. But since Alonso was clattered by Chelsea's Frank Lampard, the team have relied on Gerrard as their playmaking force. There have been a couple of reasonable results - and plenty of overly-ambitious shots and passes sprayed into touch - but not one truly good performance since.

This isn't helped by Gerrard's increasing belief that he has to do everything - perhaps understandable given the amount of disproportionate bumf his ego is fed. A player can get away with pulling the team out of shape with headless-chicken running against teams like Olympiakos, Portsmouth and Watford, especially when he pops up with a saviour's goal. But it's harder to look like the midfield general when you're on the same park as a player like Roy "He Actually Is The Man" Keane (and he was on the same park as Keane last month at Anfield, honest). True, Gerrard did well against Patrick Vieira recently - but he had Alonso behind him to free him up.

A comparison with David Beckham's famous and tactically-bereft performance against Greece might also be instructive, if only to view how perspective on a player's true contribution is soon regained when the wonder goals dry up, as Beckham's did in Euro 2004. Gerrard should take notes.

The received wisdom seems to be that this summer's inevitable snatch of Gerrard by Chelsea is a very, very bad thing for Liverpool. But look at it this way: Liverpool, down on their uppers at present, get upwards of £30m for a player who cost nothing; they may even get a Joe Cole or a Scott Parker thrown in; and Rafael Benitez can set about using a lorryload of cash to shape a team. (Forget all the jury-out Josemis and Antonio Nunezes he's bought; when he's had ready money to spend, he's bought true quality in Alonso and Fernando Morientes.)

Chelsea meanwhile will be able to replicate England's Gerrard-Lampard midfield axis that wowed 'em so at Euro 2004. And who should be worried about this summer's transfer window swinging open again? Whatever happens, it's unlikely Rafa will be spending the next few months in a cold sweat.

Having said all that dept: Anyone counselling Gerrard on his next move should still tell him that the best thing to do is stay at Liverpool. Because Benitez hasn't been given nearly enough credit for giving Gerrard a more flattering framework for his not-quite-there talents to shine in. Put another way, there's that ultra-promising partnership with Alonso to develop. And hey, maybe even poor little Garcia will teach him how to shoot. If Gerrard stays and learns, Anfield could be a happy place next season.

So does The Man deserve such opprobrium? As a player who obviously has true talent and never gives less than everything for the team he's always loved, no. As a lad who's dangling the sword of Damocles over his employers heads while running round screaming egotistical claptrap at his own supporters, yes.

As for the commentators: the next time Gerrard scores a goal, just remember the old boy Coleman and settle for a simple "1-0" (scoreline permitting). Because if this guy's given a chance to keep his feet on the ground, he might actually become the player he clearly could be. Rather than the player most insist he already is.


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Postby Leonmc0708 » Fri Feb 11, 2005 9:14 am

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A.B. wrote:Ace, when Mourinho was asked if he had a meeting with Cole he said that he was in Milan that day talking to Adriano.

Looks like Adriano will probably sign for Chelsea in the summer

Depends on who you listen to.

Some of the other papers had it that it was Andriyv Shevchenko.

Adriano or Shevchencko in Chelsea's team? Scary thought.

Did we not say that about Drogba, Kezman, Hasslebaink, Gudjohnsenn and Flo.

Chelsea notoriously never have a truly great striker.
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Postby supersub » Fri Feb 11, 2005 12:52 pm

simic_ie wrote:I think this is an excellent Stevie article and I truly hope that Stevie reads this. Top Class


Last weekend, with the sort of theatrical flourish not deployed by a television football commentator since David "One-Nil" Coleman last announced an FA Cup final goal, John Motson emitted a startling banshee-like wail which seemed to be wrought in the pit of his very soul: "Sssccccrrrrrreeeeeeeamerrrrrrrr!"

It's a screamer!

A screamer?

What actually happened was this: in a dull match between Liverpool and Fulham, Steven Gerrard lightly sliced the underside of a dropping ball and sent it meekly backspinning about 15 feet over the bar.

Now go back a couple of weeks, and Liverpool are "playing" Southampton at St Mary's. Midway through the second half, the away side launch what would be their only half-arsed attack of the match, a move which culminates in one of their midfielders sending the ball flying at a speed of up to 1mph along the floor. Who could it be!

"NOW THAT'S MORE LIKE IT FROM STEVIE G!!!" the commentator cried out using audible bold italics and a WWF-announcer-on-Viagra-and-'roids-and-six-pints-of-Stella-Artois macho rasp.

Mix in, among other things, rabid Evertonian Andy Gray's bid for Most Disingenuous Celebration Of All Time - that ridiculous "Ya beeeeeauty!" as "Stevie G" "rescued the day" against Olympiakos in the Champions League - and a repeat howl from Motson during Sven's latest snooze-athon on Wednesday night after a Gerrard into-the-stand ankle-shank, and I think we can safely say we have a problem.

And that's because everyone seems to be suffering from an inexplicable lack of perspective when it comes to Gerrard. It was bad enough last season, but at least then he was practically dragging Ged Houllier's lumpen team into the Champions League places of a dreadful division by himself. This season he's been doing no such thing, and - while there's nearly a wondrous player in there somewhere - quite frankly it's all getting totally out of hand.

Blame that goal against Olympiakos. A superb strike from 25 yards, hit at such a dramatic time during the progress of a big tournament that you could set its worth in millions. As such, and in summary, well done. Very well done! But the way the media reacted afterwards, as the clip was shown on loop on a separate dedicated channel throughout the month of December, you could have sworn Gerrard had been the sole architect of this particular legend.

"Gerrard was outstanding," thundered the Telegraph, "leading by example, thrilling the Kop with his patent commitment to the cause!"

"The performance of a lifetime!" telegraphed the Thunderer.

Meantime a bloke from the Mirror who, going by his picture byline, appears to be one of the blokes who used to be in Cast (oh all right it's David Maddock) added: "There are times when big men must stand up to be counted. Gerrard went to the top of a mountain to answer his calling last night."

Not bad when, in reality, he had been nigh on invisible for most of the game, unable to impose himself against workaday midfield opposition. The real heroes of a three-goal, second-half blitz were Florent Sinama-Pongolle and Neil Mellor, who both scored one and brilliantly set up another. Indeed Mellor, on the pitch for a full 11 minutes, may have stopped to wonder how some get all the credit for contributing 50% as much in over 400% the time.

The media's disproportionate reaction to Gerrard's performances isn't the player's fault. But journalists aren't the only ones getting things wildly out of whack. Constantly threatening to leave - "I want to win things with this club, but I haven't got time on my side" - or witlessly screaming "I'm the man" at his own fans (while celebrating a goal against ... Portsmouth) suggest it's time for everyone to return to earth.

Because Stevie G, it seems, is not actually "the man". As of now, Liverpool have won a higher percentage of their games this season without him in the side than with. And lost a lower percentage. When he's not in the team, they score, on average, more than half-a-goal a game more, while picking up a higher average of Premiership points per match. Luis Garcia has a better goals-to-shots ratio than our hero. And as for which Liverpool player is highest up the Opta rankings? Well it's ...

...actually, you already know the answer, don't you? It's a strange state of affairs when one of the Best Players In The World™ isn't even the best midfielder at his club, but there it is. In the run up to Christmas, with Xabi Alonso artfully pulling the strings from deep and allowing Gerrard to concentrate simply on attack, Liverpool were beginning to emerge (admittedly slowly and erratically) as a proper footballing side for the first time in years. But since Alonso was clattered by Chelsea's Frank Lampard, the team have relied on Gerrard as their playmaking force. There have been a couple of reasonable results - and plenty of overly-ambitious shots and passes sprayed into touch - but not one truly good performance since.

This isn't helped by Gerrard's increasing belief that he has to do everything - perhaps understandable given the amount of disproportionate bumf his ego is fed. A player can get away with pulling the team out of shape with headless-chicken running against teams like Olympiakos, Portsmouth and Watford, especially when he pops up with a saviour's goal. But it's harder to look like the midfield general when you're on the same park as a player like Roy "He Actually Is The Man" Keane (and he was on the same park as Keane last month at Anfield, honest). True, Gerrard did well against Patrick Vieira recently - but he had Alonso behind him to free him up.

A comparison with David Beckham's famous and tactically-bereft performance against Greece might also be instructive, if only to view how perspective on a player's true contribution is soon regained when the wonder goals dry up, as Beckham's did in Euro 2004. Gerrard should take notes.

The received wisdom seems to be that this summer's inevitable snatch of Gerrard by Chelsea is a very, very bad thing for Liverpool. But look at it this way: Liverpool, down on their uppers at present, get upwards of £30m for a player who cost nothing; they may even get a Joe Cole or a Scott Parker thrown in; and Rafael Benitez can set about using a lorryload of cash to shape a team. (Forget all the jury-out Josemis and Antonio Nunezes he's bought; when he's had ready money to spend, he's bought true quality in Alonso and Fernando Morientes.)

Chelsea meanwhile will be able to replicate England's Gerrard-Lampard midfield axis that wowed 'em so at Euro 2004. And who should be worried about this summer's transfer window swinging open again? Whatever happens, it's unlikely Rafa will be spending the next few months in a cold sweat.

Having said all that dept: Anyone counselling Gerrard on his next move should still tell him that the best thing to do is stay at Liverpool. Because Benitez hasn't been given nearly enough credit for giving Gerrard a more flattering framework for his not-quite-there talents to shine in. Put another way, there's that ultra-promising partnership with Alonso to develop. And hey, maybe even poor little Garcia will teach him how to shoot. If Gerrard stays and learns, Anfield could be a happy place next season.

So does The Man deserve such opprobrium? As a player who obviously has true talent and never gives less than everything for the team he's always loved, no. As a lad who's dangling the sword of Damocles over his employers heads while running round screaming egotistical claptrap at his own supporters, yes.

As for the commentators: the next time Gerrard scores a goal, just remember the old boy Coleman and settle for a simple "1-0" (scoreline permitting). Because if this guy's given a chance to keep his feet on the ground, he might actually become the player he clearly could be. Rather than the player most insist he already is.


© Scott Murray for The Guardian

At last a journalist who can see what a lot of fans have been saying as we huddle in groups supping a pint outside the ground.It's interesting the analogy with Beckham/Greece qualifier,because I felt I was the only person who thought Beckham was a total plonker in that game and only saved his skin with the last ditch free-kick.
     Steven Gerrard would be wise to stay at Liverpool and be part of the resurrgence and ignore the biased,hysterical media desperate for his move to London.
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Postby stmichael » Fri Feb 11, 2005 12:56 pm

really we need to keep him and build the team around him. basically if he wants to go, he can go though.
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Postby 109-1105722616 » Sat Feb 12, 2005 7:38 pm

i dont think he will be as influencial at a bigger club, if anything he is overated and only produces sparkles of magic when he suits him.  a bit like david beckham
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