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[maypaxvobiscum]

I can't see the point in slating either. John Barnes made no secret of the fact that he wanted to go abroad ..... not come to Liverpool, and that if an offer had come in from abroad while he was at Liverpool at the right time he would have gone. Rushie went and came back. This is their career, should we only sign players who support Liverpool? Was Babbel a kunt because he left Bayern and came to Liverpool ?  Zenden ? Voronin ? Smicer who did an Owen and although we paid a fee it was reduced because he was running down his contract?

I prefer to remember the games they played and the great goals they scored rather than being bitter and twisted because they decided to move on.

If you want to feel bitter and twisted it should be about some of the players that have happily STAYED at the club, picking up their wages and giving nothing back in return. Players like Diao or maybe even Pennant now?

well said 

[Kharhaz]

I remember a goal macca scored that was as good, if not better, than all of them on that clip. I think it was a goal against CSKA Moscow, and he had the ball on the byline halfway between the corner flag and goal and still managed to bang it in the back of the net. He was a brilliant player but back then we had many brilliant players who have all gone to waste, Rob Jones, Jamie Redknapp, Steve Mcmanaman, Robbie Fowler, Mike Marsh (ha ha just kidding !). Whenever i look back at that time with these players all I think of is, If Only...

[redhayesy]

I can't see the point in slating either. John Barnes made no secret of the fact that he wanted to go abroad ..... not come to Liverpool, and that if an offer had come in from abroad while he was at Liverpool at the right time he would have gone. Rushie went and came back. This is their career, should we only sign players who support Liverpool? Was Babbel a kunt because he left Bayern and came to Liverpool ?  Zenden ? Voronin ? Smicer who did an Owen and although we paid a fee it was reduced because he was running down his contract?

I prefer to remember the games they played and the great goals they scored rather than being bitter and twisted because they decided to move on.

If you want to feel bitter and twisted it should be about some of the players that have happily STAYED at the club, picking up their wages and giving nothing back in return. Players like Diao or maybe even Pennant now?

mate, rushie's circumstances were totally different, as i'm sure you know.

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I can't see the point in slating either. John Barnes made no secret of the fact that he wanted to go abroad ..... not come to Liverpool, and that if an offer had come in from abroad while he was at Liverpool at the right time he would have gone. Rushie went and came back. This is their career, should we only sign players who support Liverpool? Was Babbel a kunt because he left Bayern and came to Liverpool ?  Zenden ? Voronin ? Smicer who did an Owen and although we paid a fee it was reduced because he was running down his contract?

I prefer to remember the games they played and the great goals they scored rather than being bitter and twisted because they decided to move on.

If you want to feel bitter and twisted it should be about some of the players that have happily STAYED at the club, picking up their wages and giving nothing back in return. Players like Diao or maybe even Pennant now?

mate, rushie's circumstances were totally different, as i'm sure you know.

Every players circumstances are different mate. The point I was trying to make is just because someone leaves Liverpool under a cloud or just leaves, doesn't mean we should hold it against them for ever. Owen and McManaman perhaps took advantage of the system to get the move they wanted. Blame the system, blame the managers who allowed them to, blame the players, whichever, but don't hold it against them years later.   

We could have gambled with Owen, said he was going no where and made him fulfill his contract. Would he have left after we won the CL ? Probably not, Madrid would have bought someone else and Owen would have been overjoyed to have won the CL anyway.

Houllier messed it up by not forcing him to sign or go with 2 years on his contract. Then we failed to risk £8million on keeping him for another season. Yes Owen didn't gamble and give Rafa a chance, but neither did Liverpool on Owen.

As for McManaman, as I remember it he was willing to sign a new contract, it was all agreed only for Liverpool to change their mind. They then offered him to Newcastle and Barca. Naturally McManaman was a little put out by this.

Two sides to every story mate, so to hold a grudge against players who have done so much for our club, when we are quite willing to accept players who have done the same to other clubs seems a little hypercritical to me.

[roberto green]

One of my most satisfying times i saw him play he didn't play for us he played for Real Madrid and i took great satisfaction in watching him help Real knock the Mancs out of Europe AT Old Trafford:D

[redhayesy]

i take your point mate, no issue their -hypercrite i'm certainly not,cause i'm not fecked about how a player leaves another club, i'm only saying that since macca & owen left for the same reasons in my view they are as bad as each other in the way they left us. there agents may have also had a say in matters as well,but as i said they gave me alot of great memories whilst they were with us but, i have a long memory & can't help but feel they could & should of conducted themseles better. with macca it was agreed he would leave, because he wanted to leave. he like many thought the grass was greener on the other side etc - just like owen, i'm sure he regrets leaving, & bet deep down was gutted he wasn't in our CL winning team, but you live & learn, like owen has to now!

a grudge against them - only in the fact that they made their bed, so they have to lye in it, as for their contribution to our club no issue whatso ever they were brilliant for us as iv'e said, but felt let down & dis-appointed in the way in which they left not like rushie. sorry mate we will have to agree to dis-agree on this one i think. but i do respect your posts & this is just my opinion.

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i take your point mate, no issue their -hypercrite i'm certainly not,cause i'm not fecked about how a player leaves another club, i'm only saying that since macca & owen left for the same reasons in my view they are as bad as each other in the way they left us. there agents may have also had a say in matters as well,but as i said they gave me alot of great memories whilst they were with us but, i have a long memory & can't help but feel they could & should of conducted themseles better. with macca it was agreed he would leave, because he wanted to leave. he like many thought the grass was greener on the other side etc - just like owen, i'm sure he regrets leaving, & bet deep down was gutted he wasn't in our CL winning team, but you live & learn, like owen has to now!

a grudge against them - only in the fact that they made their bed, so they have to lye in it, as for their contribution to our club no issue whatso ever they were brilliant for us as iv'e said, but felt let down & dis-appointed in the way in which they left not like rushie. sorry mate we will have to agree to dis-agree on this one i think. but i do respect your posts & this is just my opinion.

I agree they didn't leave like Rushie mate, or even like Keegan (who I held a grudge against for a while  )

I am sure Owen regrets his decisions now, not so sure about McManaman though...... I think he got a couple of CL medals and a League Champs medal with Madrid while only really missing out on the treble with us. 

Surprisingly he only ever won 2 cups with us, the FA cup and the League cup.

From Wiki :-
Despite only winning two trophies at the club, McManaman's achievements at the club were exceptional for a player in a side often labelled negatively. McManaman was named in the PFA Team of the Year for four consecutive seasons from from 1994-95 to 1997-98, and was in the five man shortlist for PFA Player of the Year for three seasons from 1995-96 to 1997-98. McManaman also once held the record for most consecutive Premier League appearances as an ever present for four seasons, a club record for Most Appearances, and across the whole Premiership, once held second place in the record for highest number of Premier League assists per games ratio with 112 assists in 274 appearances[10], at the time he departed English football in 1999, just behind Ryan Giggs, who today holds the continuing record of most assists in history. As of 2008, McManaman holds 12th position on the Premiership's All Time Assists charts. In terms of assists per matches ratios though, McManaman holds 2nd place in the all time charts, 6 assists behind David Beckham, and is ranked 2nd place for most assists of all time from open play. McManaman also holds the record for having the most number of assists in Liverpool history, of which Steven Gerrard is closest to breaking.

[metalhead]

one of my fav goals he scored was against arsenal at highbury, forgot which year, was an absolutely cracking goal 

[Sarge]

One of my all time favourite players, excellent skill with a superb engine to match, could run with the ball all day at pace, with the ball under complete control. Imagine him playing in the free role behind torres today also for a player who supposodly couldnt shoot he didnt half score some superb goals. He also must have about 100 assists for Fowler and Owen alone, great player and vastly underated by Liverpool fans.

Spot on 

1. One of Liverpool's greatest

2. We didn't buy him for 20M


But I would certainly get a player with his quality for 20M in a heartbeat.

[Rorschach26]

Brilliant best dribbler of the ball ive seen since i started supporting us.....Barnes was still here but gettin on so i neva seen 2 much of his ability 2 beat players

Like Fowler really he deserved 2 be in a better team imagine him & fowler in the same team as Gerrard, Torres & Alonso etc.

[maypaxvobiscum]

Macca gave us something we needed. an expensive lesson. put it this way, Liverpool were naive to think he was gonna sign a new contract and let his current one run down. if it wasnt Macca teaching us and probably everyone in football a lesson, it would have been Owen doing it instead.

Owen got sold because they didnt want another Macca incident. if the Macca incident didnt happen, whose to say the management wouldnt have shown the same naivety and dumbness. and the board has always been slow too.

Macca could have had a move to Barca but it feel through. i dont know the exact reason but i recall Rivaldo's name being mentioned.