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[Owzat]

Gotta laugh at the Kuyt bashing, singling him out when the entire team was awful bar one or two who were only slightly better.

I had to go a few posts back to find one good post and worth replying to.

Our performance was poor but not suicidally so.

Ah come on...I admire your optimisim and loyalty , but Liverpool didn't threaten the goal once in the entire game (even with their £42+ million worth of strikers) and they should have lost that match by 2 goals. They were played off the pitch by a side that they should have beaten to all intents and purposes.

That's a performance worth criticising.

I totally agree. Torres was ok, but I was disappointed bigtime in Keane. The supply from the full backs was long aimless balls, the midfield wasn't much better and neither Kuyt nor Benayoun really got into the game. Possession was gifted away most of the time, there didn't seem to be a plan A once it became clear the Belgians were organised and not a pushover.

Usually there's something positive to bring away from most bad games, but there's little to be happy about tonight, except perhaps Reina's performance.

Few of the team will come away thinking they played well, or at least they shouldn't. Alonso was better than most, although his free-kicks etc were pretty poor. And Torres worked hard but it wasn't difficult for them to stop him. If the ref had been a bit tougher with yellows on their 'by fair means or foul' approach then maybe he'd have had more space.

The fact is, Liverpool we lucky not to have a much harder mountain to climb in the next leg. They only have to get a goal in two weeks.

That said, I do hope they learn from tonight

We still have most of the work to do. The old way of thinking is that 0-0 away is a good result, fact is an away goal can be priceless. The SL fan is right in that they only need a score draw and we're out, that means 1-0 will make the players anxious so well need to be looking for the second goal. 0-0 isn't the worst result in the world, it does mean we have to win. The one advantage, besides home advantage, is that they will probably be very cautious.

What we must do is defend better, zonal marking has to go in my opinion. None of the defenders seemed to know what they were doing and SL could easily have been two up in no time at all, one due to a dodgy handball penalty, but the other down to terrible defending from a set-piece. It MAY improve over the course of the season, but it hasn't since we adopted it so what makes anyone think the defenders will get the hang of it now?

If we play like that on Saturday then we'll be lucky to escape with a draw. I think there is a strong chance that won't be the starting XI.

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Gotta laugh at the Kuyt bashing, singling him out when the entire team was awful bar one or two who were only slightly better.

I had to go a few posts back to find one good post and worth replying to.

Our performance was poor but not suicidally so.

Ah come on...I admire your optimisim and loyalty , but Liverpool didn't threaten the goal once in the entire game (even with their £42+ million worth of strikers) and they should have lost that match by 2 goals. They were played off the pitch by a side that they should have beaten to all intents and purposes.

That's a performance worth criticising.

I totally agree. Torres was ok, but I was disappointed bigtime in Keane. The supply from the full backs was long aimless balls, the midfield wasn't much better and neither Kuyt nor Benayoun really got into the game. Possession was gifted away most of the time, there didn't seem to be a plan A once it became clear the Belgians were organised and not a pushover.

Usually there's something positive to bring away from most bad games, but there's little to be happy about tonight, except perhaps Reina's performance.

Few of the team will come away thinking they played well, or at least they shouldn't. Alonso was better than most, although his free-kicks etc were pretty poor. And Torres worked hard but it wasn't difficult for them to stop him. If the ref had been a bit tougher with yellows on their 'by fair means or foul' approach then maybe he'd have had more space.

The fact is, Liverpool we lucky not to have a much harder mountain to climb in the next leg. They only have to get a goal in two weeks.

That said, I do hope they learn from tonight

We still have most of the work to do. The old way of thinking is that 0-0 away is a good result, fact is an away goal can be priceless. The SL fan is right in that they only need a score draw and we're out, that means 1-0 will make the players anxious so well need to be looking for the second goal. 0-0 isn't the worst result in the world, it does mean we have to win. The one advantage, besides home advantage, is that they will probably be very cautious.

What we must do is defend better, zonal marking has to go in my opinion. None of the defenders seemed to know what they were doing and SL could easily have been two up in no time at all, one due to a dodgy handball penalty, but the other down to terrible defending from a set-piece. It MAY improve over the course of the season, but it hasn't since we adopted it so what makes anyone think the defenders will get the hang of it now?

If we play like that on Saturday then we'll be lucky to escape with a draw. I think there is a strong chance that won't be the starting XI.

nobody is doubting the whole team was poor last night mate, however kuyt is poor every week, yet he continues to get picked.

are you suggesting kuyt is a great player, or a poor player?

he is poor mate and there is no way to deny this or counter this. give me your honest opinion on kuyt

[Owzat]

nobody is doubting the whole team was poor last night mate, however kuyt is poor every week, yet he continues to get picked.

are you suggesting kuyt is a great player, or a poor player?

he is poor mate and there is no way to deny this or counter this. give me your honest opinion on kuyt

So everyone has a poor game and you pick out Kuyt, yeah that's not Kuyt bashing. How can he play well if everyone is playing ?!?!? He's a good player, he's not Maradona.

There is a way to "deny this or counter this", he is a good player and last night is far from a fair way to say "well I expect him to be poor because he always is". When everyone else plays well and he plays poor, criticise him. But he is a good player and gets bashed regardless whether he plays well or not.

I may be no fan of Crouch or Pennant, but I'm not going to say they played cr ap when they didn't, the Kuyt bashers on here will do it when he played cr ap and when he didn't. Season's one game in and it's started already. Try discussing the game, not player bashing

[LOVERPOOL]

Fortunately I couldn't see the match (internet high- relay)... 

[Toffeehater]

Holland thought that in the euros, look where it got them

I didn't see a lack of effort tonight, I didn't see players strolling around the park like they thought it was gonna be easy, did you? I saw us struggle against a team playing with their backs up in their biggest game of the season, their cup final with a fantastic crowd behind them. I don't see why everyone is quite so carried away? Look back at the qualifying round for the 2 times we reached the final of this competition. In 2005 we played poorly in Austria but had 2 Stevie wonder-goals save us and then we lost the return leg at Anfield 1-0 and then 2 years ago we had to rely on a late Mark Gonzalez (of all people!) goal to bail us out of trouble.

I understand everyone is frustrated, me too. you wait all summer for some football, you wake up this morning made up coz we gotta game and then you wonder the f...u.ck why! I'm no different but try and find a little perspective.

Sh...it performance, decent enough result in my book. that's not happy clappy or in Rafa we trust or whatever you wanna call it.

Spot on scott

[Ciggy]

Sorry about last night I had been on the belgium beer 

[Toffeehater]

I was about to post a nice comment about the game...Until i saw some disgusting racist comments about Belgium.

I feel very sad for the guys who write this kind of sh1t. Ciggy : you got a problem man, sort it out with professionnal help. Might be frustration after tonight's game...

i was at the stadium in Liege :
1) This is the Liverpool crowd ??? Come on, i didn't hear your 3000 men once and i was 30 meters (yes meters) away !!!
You may have got out with a draw, but you definitely lost the game in the stands. A big disappointment regarding your reputation.

2) Pretty much everyone here was scared of a 0-3 or 0-4 beforehand. Pretty much everyone was disgusted with the draw after the game.
Liverpool looked like a subtop belgian team in weak form, sorry to say it. Whereas Standard played at Champions League pace : like Premiership, Belgian League has not begun.

3) Hope Reina gets injured, great player.

4) I hope your team is as confident as you all are about your win at Anfield. Few come to win at Anfield ? Don't care, we only need a scoring draw. Keep on underestimating us and we'll send you in UEFA cup.

Don't worry mate , come at anfield , we;ll teach you a lesson . We did not contest 2 finals for no reason , we'll have the returning ryan babel with us who thrives on games as open as this . His pace and dribbling will be a problem , we'll see if you guys can handle a fit steven gerrard , or pump in long balls when we have  martin skrtel back . Last but not least we'll have the monster returning to break up plays . Good luck for your game at anfield , you're going to need it .  As for the fans Europenas nights at anfield are always special , you'll see our fans there . 

[Owzat]

Holland thought that in the euros, look where it got them

I didn't see a lack of effort tonight, I didn't see players strolling around the park like they thought it was gonna be easy, did you? I saw us struggle against a team playing with their backs up in their biggest game of the season, their cup final with a fantastic crowd behind them. I don't see why everyone is quite so carried away? Look back at the qualifying round for the 2 times we reached the final of this competition. In 2005 we played poorly in Austria but had 2 Stevie wonder-goals save us and then we lost the return leg at Anfield 1-0 and then 2 years ago we had to rely on a late Mark Gonzalez (of all people!) goal to bail us out of trouble.

I understand everyone is frustrated, me too. you wait all summer for some football, you wake up this morning made up coz we gotta game and then you wonder the f...u.ck why! I'm no different but try and find a little perspective.

Sh...it performance, decent enough result in my book. that's not happy clappy or in Rafa we trust or whatever you wanna call it.

Spot on scott

It's not a question of effort though, christ you could pick XI off these forums and we'd give it our every effort. But that was £87.2m worth of players out there and they simply didn't know how to counter Standard Liege. And that's right, I said counter Standard Liege because they were the team running the game. So what are we going to do when the mancs, Arsenal, Chelsea or any other Premiership side puts us under pressure? Work our socks off and still not have a scooby doo?

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nobody is doubting the whole team was poor last night mate, however kuyt is poor every week, yet he continues to get picked.

are you suggesting kuyt is a great player, or a poor player?

he is poor mate and there is no way to deny this or counter this. give me your honest opinion on kuyt

So everyone has a poor game and you pick out Kuyt, yeah that's not Kuyt bashing. How can he play well if everyone is playing ?!?!? He's a good player, he's not Maradona.

There is a way to "deny this or counter this", he is a good player and last night is far from a fair way to say "well I expect him to be poor because he always is". When everyone else plays well and he plays poor, criticise him. But he is a good player and gets bashed regardless whether he plays well or not.

I may be no fan of Crouch or Pennant, but I'm not going to say they played cr ap when they didn't, the Kuyt bashers on here will do it when he played cr ap and when he didn't. Season's one game in and it's started already. Try discussing the game, not player bashing

well the fact everyone played bad and kuyt still looked poor speaks volumes, and this is relevant to last nights game, just as its relevant to every bad game he plays for us. the fact is while he is on the pitch he is taking away the chance for someone who might actually be able to play football. rafa tells us he is serious about winning, well i say thats bollox while he persists with this piece of garbage.

tell you what since you like stats so much, work out how many minutes he has had on the pitch since he joined us and look at his goal averages and assists averages. he is not efficient, he has no class and no skill, he can just run a lot and if you think thats good enough for us then go go and support bolton where you will see many players of that ilk

the fact is the guy is gash and he does not deserve to still be with us, the sad thing is no doubt he will be offered a new contract.
every week we basically go out there with 10 men.

your point would be valid mate if this was a one off, but its not a one off, in fact when he has a half decent game it stands out its that infrequent

[112-1077774096]

one game in and already people making excuses for how garbage we were last night

[maguskwt]

nobody is doubting the whole team was poor last night mate, however kuyt is poor every week, yet he continues to get picked.

are you suggesting kuyt is a great player, or a poor player?

he is poor mate and there is no way to deny this or counter this. give me your honest opinion on kuyt

So everyone has a poor game and you pick out Kuyt, yeah that's not Kuyt bashing. How can he play well if everyone is playing ?!?!? He's a good player, he's not Maradona.

There is a way to "deny this or counter this", he is a good player and last night is far from a fair way to say "well I expect him to be poor because he always is". When everyone else plays well and he plays poor, criticise him. But he is a good player and gets bashed regardless whether he plays well or not.

I may be no fan of Crouch or Pennant, but I'm not going to say they played cr ap when they didn't, the Kuyt bashers on here will do it when he played cr ap and when he didn't. Season's one game in and it's started already. Try discussing the game, not player bashing

well the fact everyone played bad and kuyt still looked poor speaks volumes, and this is relevant to last nights game, just as its relevant to every bad game he plays for us. the fact is while he is on the pitch he is taking away the chance for someone who might actually be able to play football. rafa tells us he is serious about winning, well i say thats bollox while he persists with this piece of garbage.

tell you what since you like stats so much, work out how many minutes he has had on the pitch since he joined us and look at his goal averages and assists averages. he is not efficient, he has no class and no skill, he can just run a lot and if you think thats good enough for us then go go and support bolton where you will see many players of that ilk

the fact is the guy is gash and he does not deserve to still be with us, the sad thing is no doubt he will be offered a new contract.
every week we basically go out there with 10 men.

your point would be valid mate if this was a one off, but its not a one off, in fact when he has a half decent game it stands out its that infrequent

the later half of last season kuyt was one of our most consistent and better players... his goals in the CL had helped us get to the semis... when everyone was playing against chelsea he was the one putting in some heart to our performance... if it wasn't for riise's own goal it would have been ur favourite hated player that would've put us through to the finals... clearly your stigma against him is blinding u... by all means he's not in the same league as gerrard, torres, mascherano, alonso, carragher so on and so forth... but I'd rather have him than a cisse or a baros

[maguskwt]

hate to say it... but i have a feeling we might have underestimated standard liege just a bit.... rafa did look pretty most of the game in the stands...

[Toffeehater]

Pee wee mate , one game this season where the whole squad was below par , poor amd kuyt gets all the blame?

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Pee wee mate , one game this season where the whole squad was below par , poor amd kuyt gets all the blame?

i agree the whole team was poor mate, but like i keep saying these are one offs while kuyt is consistently bad, i really dont understand why people try and defend the clown, he is not good enough for us  and i fear he will get as much game time as he has done the last few seasons. even last night he stood out as poor while the whole team was gash.

and to be fair its not kuyts fault he gets picked, we have to look at rafas judgment for that

[Ciggy]

Not only Kuyt and Bennynoon but the whole team was woefull i blame Riise.