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Postby Smeg » Tue May 08, 2007 8:51 am

English teams are robbing game of skill, says Valdano


Sid Lowe in Madrid
Tuesday May 8, 2007
The Guardian


The former Real Madrid coach and World Cup winner Jorge Valdano has attacked Rafael Benítez and Jose Mourinho, insisting that they are ushering in a bleak future for football and likening the Champions League semi-final between Liverpool and Chelsea to "a :censored: hanging from a stick".
The Argentinian, who scored in the 1986 World Cup final and has a respected reputation as a football intellectual, claimed that Mourinho and Benítez mistrust talent because of their own failure to make it as players and said their approach is bad news for the game.

Writing in Spain's best-selling newspaper, Marca, Valdano insisted: "Football is made up of subjective feeling, of suggestion - and, in that, Anfield is unbeatable. Put a :censored: hanging from a stick in the middle of this passionate, crazy stadium and there are people who will tell you it's a work of art. It's not: it's a :censored: hanging from a stick.
"Chelsea and Liverpool are the clearest, most exaggerated example of the way football is going: very intense, very collective, very tactical, very physical, and very direct," he added. "But, a short pass? Noooo. A feint? Noooo. A change of pace? Noooo. A one-two? A nutmeg? A backheel? Don't be ridiculous. None of that. The extreme control and seriousness with which both teams played the semi-final neutralised any creative licence, any moments of exquisite skill.

"If Didier Drogba was the best player in the first match it was purely because he was the one who ran the fastest, jumped the highest and crashed into people the hardest. Such extreme intensity wipes away talent, even leaving a player of Joe Cole's class disoriented. If football is going the way Chelsea and Liverpool are taking it, we had better be ready to wave goodbye to any expression of the cleverness and talent we have enjoyed for a century."

Valdano explained why Benítez and Mourinho were to blame for the demise of flair and creativity. "The lives of Mourinho and Benítez have crossed in a world that is ever more scrutinised and exposed by the media, which is why they look at each other with such distrust," he wrote, "but they have two things in common: a previously denied, hitherto unsatisfied hunger for glory, and a desire to have everything under control.

"Both of those things stem from one key factor: neither Mourinho nor Benítez made it as a player. That has made them channel all their vanity into coaching. Those who did not have the talent to make it as players do not believe in the talent of players, they do not believe in the ability to improvise in order to win football matches. In short, Benítez and Mourinho are exactly the kind of coaches that Benítez and Mourinho would have needed to have made it as players."







http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2074386,00.html


Well that'l be the :censored: on a stick's second final in three years then  :D
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Postby Smeg » Tue May 08, 2007 8:52 am

Censors are for the loveable word that is...sh!t
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Postby Sabre » Tue May 08, 2007 9:06 am

Yes, sour grapes.

I will state a fact that says it all. Valdano was the Real Madrid man for signing ups in 2004, and made an offer to Real Sociedad, not a big one as they expected to pick the player almost for free and they thought Xabi Alonso would join them.

Instead, Xabi Alonso didn't bother to answer back that offer and he signed up Liverpool Football CLub.

So do I really need to tell you more about Jorge Valdano? :)
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Postby babu » Tue May 08, 2007 9:42 am

That's a fairly narrow minded view. Surely our run in the 2005 Champions League had plenty of 'creative license', especially from the likes of Garcia & Gerrard.

Time is the only thing that would disprove it. Lets see next season or the season after, when we have a squad capable of mounting a title challenge. I really think this guy is talking about our, and to a certain extent chelsea's, lack/(or not using) recognised quality wingers.
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Postby zarababe » Tue May 08, 2007 9:44 am

Valdano is an intellectual of football - however he fails to sight why his beloved Real Madrid are in demise, why they wanted Benitez or now want Mourinhio,  oh and how they played second fiddle to Benitez's Valencia.

It's pi.ss poor to blame two managers for the demise of a competition.
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Postby Sabre » Tue May 08, 2007 9:48 am

Valdano is an intellectual of football - however he fails to sight why his beloved Real Madrid are in demise, why they wanted Benitez or now want Mourinhio,  oh and how they played second fiddle to Benitez's Valencia.



Sorry to disagree Zarababe, mate. Benitez is an intellectual of football. Valdano is a Charlatan, a Sophist of football. No doubt his Spanish is good and rich, and for a man of football his prose is excellent, and that's why he writes books.

But in football you must talk in the pitch.

He always slags english and italian football, and always uses the same stereotypes. He still must think that everything that is played in England is with long balls. He spouts nonsense about English midfielders having neck ache because they're always looking up in the sky for the ball, and he says all that with a pedant Argentinian Spanish.
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Postby zarababe » Tue May 08, 2007 10:11 am

Don't apologiose for disagreeing Sab :D I WON'T REPORT YOU TO THE MODS :O :D

you make a valid point - I saw a bbc documnetary on the history of football - and they were focussing on Argentina; the Junta world cup in 1978 through to 1986 and Diego's influence in shifting a nation - Valdano was on there and talked quite frankly about the political pressures and the impact it had on the footballers.

Of course he was a fine footballer himself - able to shine brighter thanks to the Diego-affect in 86.

But his views seem rather outdated - do you thibk he's been watching Bolton
:D 3 English clubs in Europe is not to be smirked at may be his intellectualism has turned him in to an hulluncinator (sp) ???
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Postby 66-1112520797 » Tue May 08, 2007 10:15 am

Zara, I think your English is really good for an Argie. :)
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Postby Sabre » Tue May 08, 2007 10:26 am

Of course he was a fine footballer himself - able to shine brighter thanks to the Diego-affect in 86.


Right. Everything must be said. He was an excellent midfielder.

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You mean a guy that hallucinates? there are lots  :D
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Postby stmichael » Tue May 08, 2007 1:29 pm

he should go and watch bolton every week if he wants to see what its REALLY like to watch the type of football he describes
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Postby club_Levis » Tue May 08, 2007 4:34 pm

stmichael wrote:he should go and watch bolton every week if he wants to see what its REALLY like to watch the type of football he describes

Really!?. lets face it we have been guilty of such kind of football a lot this season.
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Postby puroresu » Tue May 08, 2007 5:05 pm

I dont agree with everything he says however I cant argue with the point about football played at Anfield last week.  In terms of quality it wasnt a great game.  Intensity, passion, commitment? Yes.  Technical Quality? Not so much.

I cant say that the game was a one off either and all season we have trilled those watching with free flowing expansive attacking football.  That would be lying. At times this season I have lost count at the amount of long balls in games. 

As for Madrid being in crisis? Well they could win the La Liga this season and to be honest Capello really seems to have found the right balance now.
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Postby zarababe » Tue May 08, 2007 5:05 pm

Yes that is why we are about to finish 3rd and win the CL for a 6th time :O
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Postby Sabre » Tue May 08, 2007 5:10 pm

zarababe wrote:Yes that is why we are about to finish 3rd and win the CL for a 6th time :O

FOUR YEARS WITHOUT ANY KIND OF LOCAL OR EUROPEAN SILVERWARE

Says it all.  :D
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Postby zarababe » Tue May 08, 2007 5:24 pm

:D VAldano intellectual guru :D :laugh: NOT!
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