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Postby JBG » Wed Jan 04, 2006 1:52 am

I'm going to be controversial here and condemn Momo Sissoko's tackle on El Hadji Diouff, which was nasty, reckless, irresponsible and dangerous.

No, this is not a wind up. I know Diouff is a prat and I'm not concerned whatsoever with Diouff.

My concern is Sissoko. He's been guilty of some severe tackling this season, some of it genuinely unintentional, some of it reckless and some of it downright dangerous.

We criticize Essien but there is a nasty streak in Momo. Nastiness can be good if its moulded into a ruthless streak ala Roy Keane in its pomp, but Benitez needs to get hold of Momo and take charge of the situation, as if it goes unchecked, he's going to get himself and also the team in trouble.

Momo will see himself sent off in a tight game because he cannot control himself, possibly costing us the match. What if he did something similar in a tight Champions League tie against a top Italian side, with a fussy ref, and got himself sent off? Considering this, his nastiness is reckless and irresponsible to the team.

A really bad tackle could also land him a lengthy ban, hurting himself and the club.

He's also putting himself under severe pressure as the media will eventually pick up on this and he'll get hounded for it. At 21, he could do without being under the spot light.

Most importantly of all, he could end up finishing some player's career. While I know few would shed a tear if that happened to Diouff, what about if Momo broke some kid like Steven Davis or Steven Ireland's leg? Where's the justice in that?

I like Sissoko and its great to see a kid giving so much for the shirt, but the guy needs to sharpen up. I know previous Liverpool players like Graeme Souness had a nasty streak, but they were largely able to curb it to their and the team's advantage. Going around and rountinely hacking guys out of it (and sometimes when the ball has long left the scene) is only a recipe for a disaster and something needs to be said to the lad.
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Postby LFC #1 » Wed Jan 04, 2006 1:55 am

Agree with most of that JBG, a suspension might do him good as he's close to getting sent off every game he plays.
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Postby 115-1073096938 » Wed Jan 04, 2006 1:56 am

Yes he needs a kick up the :censored:, had it been ANYONE else bar Rooney or Neville i'd have agreed. But it was Diouf.

He deserves that and more. Nuff said.
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Postby JBG » Wed Jan 04, 2006 2:03 am

stu_the_red wrote:Yes he needs a kick up the :censored:, had it been ANYONE else bar Rooney or Neville i'd have agreed. But it was Diouf.

He deserves that and more. Nuff said.

But surely because it was Diouff that makes it worse?

Say for example the ref spotted what Sissoko did and got himself sent off. Bolton could have went on and won the game. Sissoko's sending off would have been splashed across Match of the Day and the Sunday papers, prompting the FA to come down hard on him and give him a 3 or 4 match suspension. God knows how Liverpool's season would pan out because of a bad loss to Bolton.

All of this over a ponce like Diouff? Surely he's not worth the bother?
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Postby ivor_the_injun » Wed Jan 04, 2006 2:17 am

The odd mistimed tackle I can put down to youth and trying to assert himself on a game. He's sailed close to the wind on a few occasions, and I'm sure Rafa will be having words. Otherwise there are definitely suspensions ahead.

To be honest though, I'm more disappointed by his diving than his tackling. He goes to ground with alarming regularity.
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Postby laza » Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:39 am

Couldnt give two hoots for Diouff but yes agree the last thing Momo wants is a rep as dirty tackler in the age of intense media spotlight. Once your tarred with that, your never get the benefit of the doubt in a 50/50 decision and therefore become a liabilty to the team
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Postby A.B. » Wed Jan 04, 2006 4:02 am

Diouf dived and thats why he got kicked on the ground, however I don't recomend those kind of tackles.

The FA has decided NOT to punish Sissoko for the incident, according to BBC.
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Postby JBG » Wed Jan 04, 2006 4:22 am

A.B. wrote:Diouf dived and thats why he got kicked on the ground, however I don't recomend those kind of tackles.

The FA has decided NOT to punish Sissoko for the incident, according to BBC.

I'm going to play Devil's Advocare here and say the FA were wrong not to investigate Sissoko's stamp on Diouff.

Gerrard's was an accident and Kevin Nolan wanted no further investigation.

However, Sissoko's stamp was very much intentional. It just shows how weak the game's governing bodies can be. While Sissoko's stamp was nasty is probably wasn't potentially career threatening like Essien's tackle on Hamman. However, had the tackle been on Ruud Van Nistlerooy or a Chelsea player instead of a universally disliked Bolton player there would have been uproar in the papers and the FA would have taken action.

For selfish reasons I'm glad they aren't (for Liverpool's sake) but it does show the hypocricy in football.
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Postby A.B. » Wed Jan 04, 2006 4:27 am

JBG wrote:
A.B. wrote:Diouf dived and thats why he got kicked on the ground, however I don't recomend those kind of tackles.

The FA has decided NOT to punish Sissoko for the incident, according to BBC.

I'm going to play Devil's Advocare here and say the FA were wrong not to investigate Sissoko's stamp on Diouff.

Gerrard's was an accident and Kevin Nolan wanted no further investigation.

However, Sissoko's stamp was very much intentional. It just shows how weak the game's governing bodies can be. While Sissoko's stamp was nasty is probably wasn't potentially career threatening like Essien's tackle on Hamman. However, had the tackle been on Ruud Van Nistlerooy or a Chelsea player instead of a universally disliked Bolton player there would have been uproar in the papers and the FA would have taken action.

For selfish reasons I'm glad they aren't (for Liverpool's sake) but it does show the hypocricy in football.

Well Essien's tackle on Ben-Haim wasn't investigated, and nor is the tackle on Essien[although he is a c#nt] investigated either.
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Postby JBG » Wed Jan 04, 2006 4:39 am

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A.B. wrote:Diouf dived and thats why he got kicked on the ground, however I don't recomend those kind of tackles.

The FA has decided NOT to punish Sissoko for the incident, according to BBC.

I'm going to play Devil's Advocare here and say the FA were wrong not to investigate Sissoko's stamp on Diouff.

Gerrard's was an accident and Kevin Nolan wanted no further investigation.

However, Sissoko's stamp was very much intentional. It just shows how weak the game's governing bodies can be. While Sissoko's stamp was nasty is probably wasn't potentially career threatening like Essien's tackle on Hamman. However, had the tackle been on Ruud Van Nistlerooy or a Chelsea player instead of a universally disliked Bolton player there would have been uproar in the papers and the FA would have taken action.

For selfish reasons I'm glad they aren't (for Liverpool's sake) but it does show the hypocricy in football.

Well Essien's tackle on Ben-Haim wasn't investigated, and nor is the tackle on Essien[although he is a c#nt] investigated either.

Yes, thats the point. Essien (and Sissoko) can get away with scandalous tackles against the likes of Bolton and West Ham, but if it was in a game against the likes of Spurs, Man UTD, Arsenal or between us and Chelsea, the media would swoop down on it and the FA would be forced to get involved (witness the countless times the FA has investigated less serious offences than Sissoko's stamp in Man UTD and Arsenal matches over the years: Denis Bergkamp has been summoned before the FA a few times for stamps the ref didn't see).

We are currently the benefactors of this, but its unfair on the likes of Bolton, Man City and West Ham. If UEFA deemed Essien's tackle on Hamman bad enough for a ban, then the FA should have suspended Essien also for the tackle on Ben Haim. There's no consistency there at all.
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Postby primodua » Wed Jan 04, 2006 7:08 am

i do not give a rat's ar#se about momo's tackle on diouf. diouf's a pr#ick and everybody knows that. maybe rafa told momo to get his freak on diouf. who knows?
before we start judging momo ask this, why arsenal had vieira, why manure had keane blah blah blah...
liverpool need a bad a#ss player in the team. period.

I'm with you momo and by the way, i just bought a set of wheel of your name... that's right.. MOMO!
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Postby kazza » Wed Jan 04, 2006 8:04 am

What I would like to add JBG is he reminds me of Viera especially in his first year in the prem. Frankly we have been too nice in midfield and I remember most people saying we needed a nastier side to our game to succeed, and now we have it.

In the short term we do not need players sent off. In the long term it is that tough attitude that makes a better team. Every team needs a bruiser, and Momo will settle more and with good coaching will perhaps be a little more controlled. You take the good with the bad, and Momo is making this team better.
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Postby woof woof ! » Wed Jan 04, 2006 8:33 am

Agree with the sentiment of JBG's post BUT I think Momo's "stamp" looked far worse than it actually was , lets face it ,if he  really meant to injure Diouff by stamping on the back of his knee Diouff would still be lying on the pitch crying about it .  Momo did no more than aggressively stand on  Diouffs knee but JBG's right when he says another ref could easily have taken a tougher view of the incident.

Calm down Momo .
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Postby LiverpoolMadman » Wed Jan 04, 2006 8:48 am

No matter what he 's not as dirty as Micheal Essien ...
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Postby Effes » Wed Jan 04, 2006 8:55 am

I think while we've got Didi as cover then we wont be affected that much by any bans that Momo gets.
Next season though, he'll have to watch it as Didi will be gone then.
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