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[LegBarnes]

any ways have to go got freinds round now having soke bevies I be on later prob peace.

[LegBarnes]

and what happens if we win the league or cl - do you still want him sacked then or will it be the same as yesterday when you wanted him gone no matter what cause he plays boring football

As said in my post 3-4 posts up If he proves me wrong I be happy.

but do you still want him sakced thou at the end of the season ?

You two are like a bickering married couple!
Derek and Ethel!

yeah he loves me really. 

[Number 9]

any ways have to go got freinds round now having soke bevies I be on later prob peace.

Dont talk about footy to them or they'll go home!


Joking lad..have a good one!

[tubby]

or Rothschild either.



(or Babel)

[JoeTerp]

at the end of the day its the owners who make the sacking decisions at the club and they seem like the bottom line type to me. So I would think Rafa's ability to avoid the sack would depend much more on his ability to generate revenue for the club and unless I am mistaken, is there not more money up for grabs in a deep Champions league run than the difference between finishing 10 points behind and 1 point behind?

[Madmax]

I doubt rafa will get sacked for performance of the team, even if we do finnish say 3rd i still dont think the owners will sack him. Main issue i think is probs with the owners. Contract shyte, i think there will be massive disagreements between both parties which could result in rafa packing his bags.

[account deleted by request]

The TimesJanuary 27, 2009

Rafael Benítez must recover his sense of direction
Matt Dickinson, Chief Sports Correspondent
Here is what I would be concerned about if I were Rafael Benítez and it is not whether Liverpool FC are owned by the banks, Kuwaitis or two Americans united only by their desire to recover some dollars.

I would not be too preoccupied as to whether I’d dropped a big blunder by spending £20.3 million on Robbie Keane. I’d find a use for him, knowing I am not going to get my money back.

I would not give two hoots about whether Sir Alex Ferguson has a hotline to the Premier League’s fixtures office or invites referees around to his house for dinner (or whatever conspiracy theory Benítez had on that side of A4).

I’d forget about whether Everton play 4-6-0 or 4-3-3. And I would put right to the back of my mind that I did not get the funds to buy Gareth Barry last summer, particularly because he may not even have got into the first XI. With an FA Cup, Champions League and championship to fight for, I would concentrate on the job in hand.

Specifically, I might turn my attention to the statistic that  more than 70 per cent of Barclays Premier League goals conceded by Liverpool this season have come from crosses — something that needs resolving far quicker than any of the issues with which Benítez seems so absorbed. A figure of 71.43 per cent is more than double that of Portsmouth, West Bromwich Albion and Stoke City — remarkable when you think about it.

Indeed, aside from Bolton Wanderers, every other Premier League team rank at less than 50 per cent of goals conceded from crosses, the majority below 40. This may be a failure of concentration, of coaching or, in Benítez’s eyes, probably a lack of resources to purchase better full backs. Either way, it is his job to resolve the problem before it starts causing any more damage.

Will he? Let us hope so for the sake of an interesting title race but who knows how to second-guess Benítez? Almost five years we have watched him but he is still an odd one, the Spaniard — shrewd, calculating and yet, ultimately, still unknowable even to his own players.

He is such a wily tactician and yet his outbursts this season have seemed so intemperate. However just his grievances with Ferguson or Rick Parry, the dithering Liverpool chief executive, the same question is being asked every time he has gone public — “why now?”

You would think he would know the maxim that football management brings enough troubles without crossing the road in search of more. And yet he has succeeded only in piling pressure on a team that must overcome Manchester United’s superior resources, and raising questions about his own future and that of some of his playing staff.

Of course he’ll always have Istanbul but, if Benítez departed English football tomorrow, what imprint would he leave? José Mourinho gave us not only trophies but great quotes, a colossal ego and brooding charisma. Even in these fallow years, Arsène Wenger clings proudly to a unique and beautiful vision of the game.

Benítez? Well, two Champions League finals is not to be sniffed at but will we miss him when he is gone? Let’s just say that he could do with backing up his recent outbursts with something silver and tangible.

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[LegBarnes]

or Rothschild either.



(or Babel)

Hey I had few PMs of people saying how good that post on rothschilds was don't knock it. 

As for babel I only talk about him here and tbh I am not going to defend him anymore untill he gets a chance up front if he fails there then he can off lol.

[SupitsJonF]

or Rothschild either.



(or Babel)

Hey I had few PMs of people saying how good that post on rothschilds was don't knock it. 

As for babel I only talk about him here and tbh I am not going to defend him anymore untill he gets a chance up front if he fails there then he can off lol.

screen shot or it didnt happen.


Why cant they just say it in a thread?  Weirdos.

[LegBarnes]

or Rothschild either.



(or Babel)

Hey I had few PMs of people saying how good that post on rothschilds was don't knock it. 

As for babel I only talk about him here and tbh I am not going to defend him anymore untill he gets a chance up front if he fails there then he can off lol.

screen shot or it didnt happen.


Why cant they just say it in a thread?  Weirdos.

I still got it But it thought i was bad to post PMs like you get carded for it ?

[The_Rock]

Specifically, I might turn my attention to the statistic that  more than 70 per cent of Barclays Premier League goals conceded by Liverpool this season have come from crosses — something that needs resolving far quicker than any of the issues with which Benítez seems so absorbed. A figure of 71.43 per cent is more than double that of Portsmouth, West Bromwich Albion and Stoke City — remarkable when you think about it.

Owzat....do u concur with this ? 

[Owzat]

He is such a wily tactician

How is he? By dumping our most effective formation during his reign in order to fit a £20.3m striker in? And then when that didn't work, and Torres was injured, by playing Kuyt as a solo striker despite his shortcomings as a striker. Or by bringing on a sub around the same time every match, usually Babel for Riera first up, Keane off if he's even on and even Lucas when we're chasing goals.

We turned a few games around early season, was that down to Rafa or just a bit of fortune /down to the quality of Gerrard and Torres? And if it was down to Rafa, how come he can't perform the same magic when we need it?

And if he's so clever, how come his solutions include our best CB at FB, our best RM at CF, our most annoyingly unproductive player (Babel) at LM and all kinds of theories that rarely pay off?

I beg to differ with the notion Rafa is a tactical genius, when he can beat Hull, Stoke, Fulham, West Ham, everton and other ordinary teams consistently - even score more than four goals in seven games against them (excludes the away win at goodison) - then maybe we can discuss tactical genius. FFS when we need to win he even leaves a £20.3m striker on the bench/out of the squad, he doesn't use all of his subs and struggles to find a way to break down any team that is remotely competent defensively. Surely a tactical genius would be able to combat any threat they pose and find a way to unlock their defence. Does Rafa? Couldn't combat the set-piece threat of a strikerless everton side. Couldn't even combat a threat of Hull's pace against Dossena, took an injury to their RB to negate that threat.

We even looked poor against Stoke away, does Rafa change things at half-time or is he took stuck in his inflexible tactics that (one of, if not) the earliest he's ever made a tactical change this season is when he took Keane off before the hour mark against Atletico Madrid. I don't like Josie, but he'd see the way a game is going and change it at half time. He wouldn't wait, and wait, and wait some more before making the substitutions Rafa has to have in mind BEFORE kick-off, they're that predictable. There's that evidence, and the fact that it's not always/often the player having the worst game who's taken off first/at all.

I suspect Rafa doesn't see anything wrong with his zonal marking, substitutions etc. I reckon he, like us on here, points the fingers at players incapable of making what he imagines is a great system/tactic work. Unlike us, he is the one who bought the players he has to work with and he's the one who can do something about what happens on the pitch.

If we are to fail to win the league under Rafa, I can see his tactical stubborness/failings being a prime reason. The players we have should be beating teams we're not beating, the buck has to stop at the manager. If they're not good enough, they shouldn't be playing or even have been signed. If they are good enough, he should be getting better results out of them. Either way, the buck stops at the manager.

[Lando_Griffin]

What you all fail to see tho is that rafa has now his built team he bought 95% of his team and now its his teams.

No where to hide for him now if the teams fails he has failed as this is what he has chosen.

I get mad at way some of you slag of the of the players like kuyt and babel , and whats even more wierd is that they are both not playing in there right positions.

Never mind why not have a go at alonso who was playing in the right position and had a shocker.

But like I said its pointless to talk about these things when its rafa's team now and if we win I will praise him as much as if he fails I will say about it.

What you fail to see is that due to the owners past and present, this team is by and large full of Rafa's 2nd-5th choice players per position.

Dossena or Heinze?

Arbeloa or Alves?

Agger or Vidic? (The fact we were pursuing both anyway is a testament to the gaffer.)

Pennant or Simao?

Kuyt or Villa?

Riera or Barry? (Again - testament to the gaffer's planning that he got Albert at the "last minute" (when in reality the deal would have been on standby for weeks.))

The only current "starting 11" players here who appear to be Rafa's first choices are Torres, Mascher, Alonso and Reina.

Kuyt was bought because Morientes didn't work out. No-one could have foreseen that, and you're a liar if you try and tell me otherwise.

Babel was bought for potential, along with Lucas and several others. They were never bought to go straight into the team.

Josemi et al were only ever stop-gaps, and who can argue that the 1st arrival of Rafa's reign didn't bring out the best in Finnan and turn him into the best defensive rightback in the Premiership?
I have no doubt missed someone out, but who cares? The gist is there.

Oh, and the other thing you fail to see, is that you are a plonker.

[Ciggy]

Why cant they just say it in a thread?  Weirdos.

Says a lot about a few people on here, pming someone about Rothschild who gives a sh!t? 

[redmikey]

What you all fail to see tho is that rafa has now his built team he bought 95% of his team and now its his teams.

No where to hide for him now if the teams fails he has failed as this is what he has chosen.

I get mad at way some of you slag of the of the players like kuyt and babel , and whats even more wierd is that they are both not playing in there right positions.

Never mind why not have a go at alonso who was playing in the right position and had a shocker.

But like I said its pointless to talk about these things when its rafa's team now and if we win I will praise him as much as if he fails I will say about it.

What you fail to see is that due to the owners past and present, this team is by and large full of Rafa's 2nd-5th choice players per position.

Dossena or Heinze?

Arbeloa or Alves?

Agger or Vidic? (The fact we were pursuing both anyway is a testament to the gaffer.)

Pennant or Simao?

Kuyt or Villa?

Riera or Barry? (Again - testament to the gaffer's planning that he got Albert at the "last minute" (when in reality the deal would have been on standby for weeks.))

The only current "starting 11" players here who appear to be Rafa's first choices are Torres, Mascher, Alonso and Reina.

Kuyt was bought because Morientes didn't work out. No-one could have foreseen that, and you're a liar if you try and tell me otherwise.

Babel was bought for potential, along with Lucas and several others. They were never bought to go straight into the team.

Josemi et al were only ever stop-gaps, and who can argue that the 1st arrival of Rafa's reign didn't bring out the best in Finnan and turn him into the best defensive rightback in the Premiership?
I have no doubt missed someone out, but who cares? The gist is there.

Oh, and the other thing you fail to see, is that you are a plonker.

and the best post yet goes to lando for not jumpin on anyband wagon and talkin b@llocks!!!!!!!!!!!

alot of folks on here wanna stop gettin your opinions of the back pages ......w@nkers