Liverpool FC Forum

[Lando_Griffin]

I see the amount of people wanting rafa sacked at the end of the season has shot up since the FA Cup game - fickle

Watch it - the mere mention of that word can drum up a mighty response from the bitters.

which word ? fickle ?

[Avi Cohen]

I heard Robbie Fowler or Macca talking about that one of the players should tell rafa in the dressing room, Look - Cahill is the danger man. I'll pick him up.

He could, and he'll be dropped the next game for having the temerity for questioning the Rafa infallibility.

Can we stick to the facts, rather than unfounded perceptions?

You don't know this. You have no way of justifying this, and you never will.

Don't speak of opinions as if they are fact. It's misleading, and it's what the papers do.

Okay.

[LegBarnes]

lando was ya bail condition to send me aweful PMs with words in it I wouldn't share with any one ?

Thx for that.

Any ways back on topic.

Rafa should go end of season I feel he has lost part of dressing room he piles to much pressure on players getting them to play so defensive.

we always tend to play to square and never have many players in box how do we expect to score ?

only joy comes from gerrard attacks box from deep or if other team make a mistake.

At times this season we have been counting on other teams to make mistakes for us to bag a goal and sad thruth is not alot of teams are making alot of mistakes so we are not scoring.

I remember at start of season me and alot fo others was pleased we all felt "yeah we ain't playing well but we still getting wins".

We all felt this was good sign and thought the good form is bound to come and we have a great chance.

But it hasn't come and we still playing just as bad as we did at start of season yet now we are not getting rub of green.

So we are just not looking like we can win the prem any more.

I feel that rafa has now 3-4 games to show he can mix it up more and try something different but with out harming his own tried and trusted methods.

I also whink some of players rafa has bought over last few years for what ever reason have been a complete waste and really have bottled it under the pressure and should be leaving as soon as season is over.

Or if rafa does go they might get there chance under a new manager. , but thats a big if.

Players I meen are babel , benny , kuyt , lucus and keane.

Now I don't think that they all are bad on there own merits it either just hasn't worked for them or they are not playing where they would feel they can give there best but none the less I feel they are tosh signings and can't but feel bad , because 3 out of the 5 I really thought could have been more of a sucess.

[GYBS]

which part of the dressing room has he lost ? what did the players say to you while you were in there ?

[LegBarnes]

which part of the dressing room has he lost ? what did the players say to you while you were in there ?

Its the vibe I get that not every thing is 100% behind closed doors.

Keane thing for start.

I am sure babel is not happy nore a few other bench warmers.

Also now with latest run of games this wouldn't have helped some what.

Of course there will be a rally of sorts since we still have slight chance to win the prem but once that chance goes.

Well don't wanna think about it tbh.

[GYBS]

so its based on no fact whatsoever and just a vibe you have cause babel is playing shi te and keane threw his toys out of the pram yet all our top class players dont seem to have a problem with rafa ?

[LegBarnes]

so its based on no fact whatsoever and just a vibe you have cause babel is playing shi te and keane threw his toys out of the pram yet all our top class players dont seem to have a problem with rafa ?

Well maybe if you posted your thoughts in whole instead of taking single lines out of people who are trying to have a good chat about things and discredit them you might get a little more enjoyment out of the forums.

As to your point it has no point no one can know for sure but this is where we talk about it.

There is no harm in having a chat about things is there ?

I feel there is problems of course I don't know I am not there but every one has feelings about people and things and this is one i have atm.

[GYBS]

well i actually prefer to work on facts and what people are saying ie the players and manager etc - and the fact is not one of them bar pennant has slagged of the manager about who he treats them and go by what our top quality players say about him ie gerrard torres carra pepe xabi masher etc who have nothing but praise for him both in papers in interviews in their own books . so there is pure facts as opposed to made up nonsense .

[Reg]

"Dreams are only foolish to those who dare not go."

Enough of the whinging - Forza Rafa.

[Igor Zidane]

lando was ya bail condition to send me aweful PMs with words in it I wouldn't share with any one ?

Thx for that.

Any ways back on topic.

Rafa should go end of season I feel he has lost part of dressing room he piles to much pressure on players getting them to play so defensive.

we always tend to play to square and never have many players in box how do we expect to score ?

only joy comes from gerrard attacks box from deep or if other team make a mistake.

At times this season we have been counting on other teams to make mistakes for us to bag a goal and sad thruth is not alot of teams are making alot of mistakes so we are not scoring.

I remember at start of season me and alot fo others was pleased we all felt "yeah we ain't playing well but we still getting wins".

We all felt this was good sign and thought the good form is bound to come and we have a great chance.

But it hasn't come and we still playing just as bad as we did at start of season yet now we are not getting rub of green.

So we are just not looking like we can win the prem any more.

I feel that rafa has now 3-4 games to show he can mix it up more and try something different but with out harming his own tried and trusted methods.

I also whink some of players rafa has bought over last few years for what ever reason have been a complete waste and really have bottled it under the pressure and should be leaving as soon as season is over.

Or if rafa does go they might get there chance under a new manager. , but thats a big if.

Players I meen are babel , benny , kuyt , lucus and keane.

Now I don't think that they all are bad on there own merits it either just hasn't worked for them or they are not playing where they would feel they can give there best but none the less I feel they are tosh signings and can't but feel bad , because 3 out of the 5 I really thought could have been more of a sucess.

Oh for gods sake not you again 

And welcome back Lando , yer big gay brown bear.

[LegBarnes]

well i actually prefer to work on facts and what people are saying ie the players and manager etc - and the fact is not one of them bar pennant has slagged of the manager about who he treats them and go by what our top quality players say about him ie gerrard torres carra pepe xabi masher etc who have nothing but praise for him both in papers in interviews in their own books . so there is pure facts as opposed to made up nonsense .

Of course they wouldn't most of them play week in week out but it ain't helping us win atm is it ?

Of course you are right on one thing you can't lose a dressing room if 1-2 players are not happy with manager but it can change very fast if not delt with right.

[GYBS]

well i actually prefer to work on facts and what people are saying ie the players and manager etc - and the fact is not one of them bar pennant has slagged of the manager about who he treats them and go by what our top quality players say about him ie gerrard torres carra pepe xabi masher etc who have nothing but praise for him both in papers in interviews in their own books . so there is pure facts as opposed to made up nonsense .

Of course they wouldn't most of them play week in week out but it ain't helping us win atm is it ?

Of course you are right on one thing you can't lose a dressing room if 1-2 players are not happy with manager but it can change very fast if not delt with right.

How do you know ? have you deal with many drssing rooms

[Lando_Griffin]

lando was ya bail condition to send me aweful PMs with words in it I wouldn't share with any one ?

Thx for that.

Any ways back on topic.

Rafa should go end of season I feel he has lost part of dressing room he piles to much pressure on players getting them to play so defensive.

we always tend to play to square and never have many players in box how do we expect to score ?

only joy comes from gerrard attacks box from deep or if other team make a mistake.

At times this season we have been counting on other teams to make mistakes for us to bag a goal and sad thruth is not alot of teams are making alot of mistakes so we are not scoring.

I remember at start of season me and alot fo others was pleased we all felt "yeah we ain't playing well but we still getting wins".

We all felt this was good sign and thought the good form is bound to come and we have a great chance.

But it hasn't come and we still playing just as bad as we did at start of season yet now we are not getting rub of green.

So we are just not looking like we can win the prem any more.

I feel that rafa has now 3-4 games to show he can mix it up more and try something different but with out harming his own tried and trusted methods.

I also whink some of players rafa has bought over last few years for what ever reason have been a complete waste and really have bottled it under the pressure and should be leaving as soon as season is over.

Or if rafa does go they might get there chance under a new manager. , but thats a big if.

Players I meen are babel , benny , kuyt , lucus and keane.

Now I don't think that they all are bad on there own merits it either just hasn't worked for them or they are not playing where they would feel they can give there best but none the less I feel they are tosh signings and can't but feel bad , because 3 out of the 5 I really thought could have been more of a sucess.

The only reason you wouldn't share them is because you don't understand them.

You plonker.

[Lando_Griffin]

which part of the dressing room has he lost ? what did the players say to you while you were in there ?

Its the vibe I get that not every thing is 100% behind closed doors.

Keane thing for start.

I am sure babel is not happy nore a few other bench warmers.

Also now with latest run of games this wouldn't have helped some what.

Of course there will be a rally of sorts since we still have slight chance to win the prem but once that chance goes.

Well don't wanna think about it tbh.

Whereas every bench-warmer at every other club is bang at supporting the boss...

Plonker.

[LegBarnes]

well i actually prefer to work on facts and what people are saying ie the players and manager etc - and the fact is not one of them bar pennant has slagged of the manager about who he treats them and go by what our top quality players say about him ie gerrard torres carra pepe xabi masher etc who have nothing but praise for him both in papers in interviews in their own books . so there is pure facts as opposed to made up nonsense .

Of course they wouldn't most of them play week in week out but it ain't helping us win atm is it ?

Of course you are right on one thing you can't lose a dressing room if 1-2 players are not happy with manager but it can change very fast if not delt with right.

How do you know ? have you deal with many drssing rooms

I have been in a fair share of them yeah.

Can't say any I was in fell apart but I have seen players have problems with managers and times that I have been around the managers have delt with it quick so it never become a problem.

Thing is tho normaly if there is problems at clubs in moden day you only here of it if players come out and say things in press , but thats a 2 edged sword , it can let people out side the club know how they feel but on other hand it really will just makes there relationship with there manager even worse.

So players who are in favor with the manager tend not to say any thing due to them not wanting there chances of playing to drop.

So how can you expect to learn of problems with players who are first teamers never unless they are very stupid or very upset.