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[Rush Job]

I just think that after all these years and money Benitez spent, that once SG (who was here anyway)and Torres out, our team isn't much good. Our "wingers" Babbel and Kuyt were original centre forwards, cost about 23m, played out of position and now we've no real back up centre forward. Keane was bought and sold - at a 10m loss in a few months, Benitez drove Alonso out and replaced him with a player with a terrible injury record (why sign a player for a fortune when he has such a bad record)

We've won 10 league games all season , in 7th place  and a point above Birmingham FFS.

I just don't get Benitez.

How exactly did rafa "drive Alonso out"?
By trying to sign a quality player, current England international who plays the same possition as Alonso? For trying to improve our side, only to be let down by the owners and left in an no win situation?
Think about this mate if we didnt have a one in one out policy and if our owners didnt take a decision that should have been the managers to make then we could have signed Barry and kept Alonso as I`m sure rafa would have played Barry in the odd game on the left,when needed.
Thats how you improve your team while strengthening the squad but its also a luxury rafa doesnt have.

[Octsky]

I just think that after all these years and money Benitez spent, that once SG (who was here anyway)and Torres out, our team isn't much good. Our "wingers" Babbel and Kuyt were original centre forwards, cost about 23m, played out of position and now we've no real back up centre forward. Keane was bought and sold - at a 10m loss in a few months, Benitez drove Alonso out and replaced him with a player with a terrible injury record (why sign a player for a fortune when he has such a bad record)

We've won 10 league games all season , in 7th place  and a point above Birmingham FFS.

I just don't get Benitez.

How exactly did rafa "drive Alonso out"?
By trying to sign a quality player, current England international who plays the same possition as Alonso? For trying to improve our side, only to be let down by the owners and left in an no win situation?
Think about this mate if we didnt have a one in one out policy and if our owners didnt take a decision that should have been the managers to make then we could have signed Barry and kept Alonso as I`m sure rafa would have played Barry in the odd game on the left,when needed.
Thats how you improve your team while strengthening the squad but its also a luxury rafa doesnt have.

well, Rafa did drive Alonso out by offering him to Arsenal, Juve, etc etc he may as well put Alonso for sale in the classified.
But the criminal act is his inability to sign Barry, and letting Mancity got him for 12 mil.
If you want to abandon your old gf for a new gal, at least make sure that you get the new gal and dont end up losing both.

[Penguins]

zzzz.

Pure garbage.

Rafa wanted Barry the summer before but the owners didn't want to stump up the 18 million MON wanted. Then the following summer MAN city had rich new owners willing to offer Barry big money which once again thanks to owners we couldn't afford.

Why is always in interviews not only with Alonso but also with Gerrard that Alonso was looking to play back home before his career ended. And not way after his prime either. This summer the biggest team in his home country comes in and he is 28 years old. When will this chance come again ever?
Barcelona won't be in need of a midfielder with Xabi, Iniesta etc which means Real is his only option if he wants to play for a top team back home like he wanted. Who is to say Real would be interested when he is 31?

[Octsky]

zzzz.

Pure garbage.

Rafa wanted Barry the summer before but the owners didn't want to stump up the 18 million MON wanted. Then the following summer MAN city had rich new owners willing to offer Barry big money which once again thanks to owners we couldn't afford.

Why is always in interviews not only with Alonso but also with Gerrard that Alonso was looking to play back home before his career ended. And not way after his prime either. This summer the biggest team in his home country comes in and he is 28 years old. When will this chance come again ever?
Barcelona won't be in need of a midfielder with Xabi, Iniesta etc which means Real is his only option if he wants to play for a top team back home like he wanted. Who is to say Real would be interested when he is 31?

well, u cannot denied that Alonso was chunk around like old dog, just like what RM did to Morientes a few seasons back.

Barry did not join us partly due to us screwing him. This guy publicly announced the desire to join LFC, when the deal fell through, he was stripped of the club captaincy, turn away by fans, team mates and manager. And u expect him to come running back to us??

Barry and Keane saga is really a black mark for us in recent memories.

[Kharhaz]

Rafa wanted Barry the summer before but the owners didn't want to stump up the 18 million MON wanted. Then the following summer MAN city had rich new owners willing to offer Barry big money which once again thanks to owners we couldn't afford.

And yet we signed Keane for nigh on £20 million. Dont kid yourself. The money was their for one or the other. Alonso left not only because Rafa wanted Barry but also when it came to the crunch, Rafa fell out with Xabi. Last season Xabi had a good one but the damage was done. Before the pre-season games Xabi and Javier were mentioned all over the place about possible transfers elsewhere. When it came to Mascherano, Rafa couldnt show enough support for him to reiterate how important he is to the club. However, when it came to Alonso, his response was "the fans want him to stay so maybe he should". That was clear in itself that Rafa played a major part in Alonso leaving. Also Gareth Barry was and even now never worth that amount of money, and he cannot even compare to Alonso with regards to midfield talent. We never got Barry for one reason or another but im guessing its a reason we will never know. It cannot be the price, as like I said, we paid nigh on £20 million for Robbie Keane.

[Rush Job]

Rafa wanted Barry the summer before but the owners didn't want to stump up the 18 million MON wanted. Then the following summer MAN city had rich new owners willing to offer Barry big money which once again thanks to owners we couldn't afford.

And yet we signed Keane for nigh on £20 million. Dont kid yourself. The money was their for one or the other. Alonso left not only because Rafa wanted Barry but also when it came to the crunch, Rafa fell out with Xabi. Last season Xabi had a good one but the damage was done. Before the pre-season games Xabi and Javier were mentioned all over the place about possible transfers elsewhere. When it came to Mascherano, Rafa couldnt show enough support for him to reiterate how important he is to the club. However, when it came to Alonso, his response was "the fans want him to stay so maybe he should". That was clear in itself that Rafa played a major part in Alonso leaving. Also Gareth Barry was and even now never worth that amount of money, and he cannot even compare to Alonso with regards to midfield talent. We never got Barry for one reason or another but im guessing its a reason we will never know. It cannot be the price, as like I said, we paid nigh on £20 million for Robbie Keane.

We didnt get him because at his age the owners thought he had no sell on value.
Was well reported at the time.

[Sir Roger]

Rafa wanted Barry the summer before but the owners didn't want to stump up the 18 million MON wanted. Then the following summer MAN city had rich new owners willing to offer Barry big money which once again thanks to owners we couldn't afford.

And yet we signed Keane for nigh on £20 million. Dont kid yourself. The money was their for one or the other. Alonso left not only because Rafa wanted Barry but also when it came to the crunch, Rafa fell out with Xabi. Last season Xabi had a good one but the damage was done. Before the pre-season games Xabi and Javier were mentioned all over the place about possible transfers elsewhere. When it came to Mascherano, Rafa couldnt show enough support for him to reiterate how important he is to the club. However, when it came to Alonso, his response was "the fans want him to stay so maybe he should". That was clear in itself that Rafa played a major part in Alonso leaving. Also Gareth Barry was and even now never worth that amount of money, and he cannot even compare to Alonso with regards to midfield talent. We never got Barry for one reason or another but im guessing its a reason we will never know. It cannot be the price, as like I said, we paid nigh on £20 million for Robbie Keane.

We didnt get him because at his age the owners thought he had no sell on value.
Was well reported at the time.

Barry is and always will be average at best
Alonso is class

[bigmick]

Is Barry better than Aquilani?

[Sir Roger]

Is Barry better than Aquilani?

He is more experienced so at this moment probably yes. But Quila will gain experience (if allowed) and will be better than Barry in a couple of months.
I prefer Aquilanis style so I would rather have Quila than Barry. And I believe he will justify his, at this moment, overblown transfer fee...

[Yossi_Benaloon]

I think that Rafa will be much relieved after managing to beat Spurs and get back into the race for the top four - but IMO it might just be a delay to the inevitable. Personally I would love to see Martin O'Neill given the reins at Liverpool, he deserves a crack at a big club and why could it not be at Anfield. It is most likely as this Premier League football blog states that he will replace Sir Alex Ferguson at Manchester United, but would like us to sneak in under their noses and steal him away earlier.

[f9Torres]

Is Barry better than Aquilani?

To play with Mascherano in the midfield, yes, no doubt. To play with 2 midfielders behind him like yesterday, Aquilani is much better. I think when Gerrard comes back Rafa should think about playing this:

--------------Mascherano-------------

---Gerrard---------------Aquilani------

And not this:

--Mascherano----Aquilani---

----------Gerrard----------

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Is Barry better than Aquilani?

Up to now I would say that Barry is much the better player, add in the factor that he would have been fit to start the season and is also accustomed to the pace and aggression of the prem. I think there is no real doubt that in the short term Barry would have been the much better buy.

Aquilani MAY turn out to be the better player once he settles, but its helped cost us a season already and the horse is still in the starting blocks.

I have always thought Barry would have been ideal for Liverpool because of his versatility. Aquilani needs to add a bit of aggression and put his foot in on occasion if he is to make his mark.

[Big Niall]

I just think that after all these years and money Benitez spent, that once SG (who was here anyway)and Torres out, our team isn't much good. Our "wingers" Babbel and Kuyt were original centre forwards, cost about 23m, played out of position and now we've no real back up centre forward. Keane was bought and sold - at a 10m loss in a few months, Benitez drove Alonso out and replaced him with a player with a terrible injury record (why sign a player for a fortune when he has such a bad record)

We've won 10 league games all season , in 7th place  and a point above Birmingham FFS.

I just don't get Benitez.

How exactly did rafa "drive Alonso out"?
By trying to sign a quality player, current England international who plays the same possition as Alonso? For trying to improve our side, only to be let down by the owners and left in an no win situation?
Think about this mate if we didnt have a one in one out policy and if our owners didnt take a decision that should have been the managers to make then we could have signed Barry and kept Alonso as I`m sure rafa would have played Barry in the odd game on the left,when needed.
Thats how you improve your team while strengthening the squad but its also a luxury rafa doesnt have.

Barry is a krap player - so what if has played for England? He isn't fit to lace Alonso's boots.

[Big Niall]

change the record Niall, it's gettin very old

wouldn't that just make me "fickle"? then Emerald Red would have a field day and we couldn't have that. His bundle of rage is too amusing.

[stmichael]

he's clearly lost the dressing room