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[Lando_Griffin]

MotorMouth
Explain that little gem of logic youve just posted.

I know you also cant grasp the logic in the fact that SG & Torres thrived on Alonso's vision from MF.
Has it also ever dawned on you that SG has had to revert back to dropping deep to pick the ball up now that Lucas has been entrusted by the manager with this vital role?
Alonso exelled at his role because Masch did at his.
ITS a team game! and ITS the managers job to get the best out of the players by gelling them together as a team.
So when he replaces a class act with a very limited one only a fool would expect it to be buisness as usual.
Also dont forget that Torres is injury prone so we were desperate for another quality striker at the club.

Now is it really that illogical that given the only MF availible that the 'manager thought' could do Alonso's job was crocked and needed an op that IF successful would still take months for him to recuporate from, That dropping SG, a world class MF player back, and spending our precious limited resourses on a class forward, was not the better option?

Rafa chooses to spend '20ml' on the crocked MF, replaces Alonso with Lucas thus fkn up the Torres/SG partnership
AND when it becomes obvious its not worked we dont have a striker worth a carrot to play alongside Torres and allow SG to get a grip of an aimless MF or even to play up front with him when Torres is injured.
You can bury your head in the sand and spout nonesense as much as you like, it still dosnte change the fact that Rafa fkd up completely and hasnte got a clue how to turn it around.
It was from the first day of the season an accident waiting to happen and thats why Rafa, the man who made it all possible with his shortsightedness MUST go!

What utter cr*p. The only part of your post which is infact accurate is that about Alonso.
Aqualani had already had the operation when he signed for us and was given a prognosis of being back in 1 month.
You can't blame the boss for not being a better doctor than one of the best in the World, you disgraceful maggot!

Riera, kuyt, Arbeloa, Aurelio, Insua and Benayoun all provided the Sg/Torres pairing with the ball - not just Alonso. The fact that Riera has been injured all season has had a massive effect on the team. Remember that he was one of the biggest reasons why we looked so balanced last term?
Of course you don't - because it would go against you campaign that Rafa has f*cked it all up...

Unless he's gone round Melwood tw*tting the players with a golf club, this situation is not his fault. He doesn't have the manc luxury of £30m Players gracing the bench - he doesn't have the luxury of spending that amount at all.

Even the scum would go into free-fall with a comparable injury list:

Torres - Rooney.
Gerrard - Carrick/Scholes of the past.
Riera - Giggs.
Johnson - whoever plays at rb.
Kelly - Brown/Neville.
Benayoun - Valencia.
Agger - Hair-lip Steve.


Now admittedly, they had their own mini injury crisis ealier this season, but like I said - they have the luxury of calling on £20-30m players to step in.

We don't, and you can prattle on all you want, but that is no-one's fault but the owners.

You really are a blank space lad.

Our medical staff were involved before he had the op and as far as I can remember it was 4-6 weeks best scenario, a 20ml major gamble even for a club with money to burn and strikers to spare, never mind us!
Rierra; Rafa baffled more than a few when he went cold on him so he was fast becoming one of Rafas whipping boys.
ffs he sat on the bench while the best LB at the club played in his LM spot (while Insua got his usual drubbing)
And Alonso was pivitol in most moves whoever fed the strikers. he kept things moving with his vision.

You really do need to get your head out of your ar-se lad. the way you totally ignore all the fk ups by Rafa by blaming everyone and his uncle.

I think you just fancy youself as a bit of a cyber warrior with all your snarling
Do you fantisise from the safety of your bedroom that your  having a real ruck ?

Knobhead 

I've used harder tissues than you, so move along, tramp.

[Sir Roger]

Emotions are running high based on expectations after last season. We have to accept that for whatever reason this season is a let down. I dont advocate sacking Rafa even though I am totally pi'ssed off with what has happened so far which has been brought on by himself I believe.
However I wish (probably in vain) that he would take a step back and analyse himself and his own weaknesses and admit that he has fu'cked up. I believe if he took a long hard look at himself and accepted his deficiencies he might be able to learn from his mistakes and not only rectify them but avoid making them in the future.
I honestly believed we would finish second this season. I am still optimistic that if we put a run together we can be in the top four. Its not a catastrophe or a meltdown as the media (who like gossiping arl women love this type of story) although it is a worry and has to be sorted as soon as the season is over.
The players (especially the more experienced ones) need to stop feeling sorry for themselves, roll their sleeves up and play for the badge they are so unbelievably lucky to wear on their chest.

[Rush Job]

We can argue all day long and will no doubt continue to but the bottom line is rafa is the manager and its up to him to get us out the sh!t by getting his players to perform, thats his job.
The owners have a lot to answer for IMO for our weak squad but even when we have been at near full strength we have still vastly underperformed, I still believe we have a very talented side when most are fit but for some reason the fluidity and creative spark have been missing, doing a straight swap between Alonso and Lucas while keeping the same system was always going to leave us a little flat in the middle but I dont think its in any way all down to that.
In the past our form hasnt suffered badly whenever Alonso was missing because in most cases we had already built momentum, this season we never got out the blocks, its now past xmas and Im struggling to think of 3 wins on the bounce, and when your luck is out its out, last season we were winning games in the last minute, this season we are losing. If you were to take away our conceding injury time goals and the odd dodgy bounce of a beach ball our season would be looking a hell of a lot different and its these moments IMO that has hinderd our gaining momentum and playing our selves into form.
Rafa is still the gaffa and he has to get his side playing if he cant then someone else will no doubt have a go,but whatever you think of the manager we as fans also have a responsibilty to the team and we must also do our part to help the team.
Support.

[Igor Zidane]

Emotions are running high based on expectations after last season. We have to accept that for whatever reason this season is a let down. I dont advocate sacking Rafa even though I am totally pi'ssed off with what has happened so far which has been brought on by himself I believe.
However I wish (probably in vain) that he would take a step back and analyse himself and his own weaknesses and admit that he has fu'cked up. I believe if he took a long hard look at himself and accepted his deficiencies he might be able to learn from his mistakes and not only rectify them but avoid making them in the future.
I honestly believed we would finish second this season. I am still optimistic that if we put a run together we can be in the top four. Its not a catastrophe or a meltdown as the media (who like gossiping arl women love this type of story) although it is a worry and has to be sorted as soon as the season is over.
The players (especially the more experienced ones) need to stop feeling sorry for themselves, roll their sleeves up and play for the badge they are so unbelievably lucky to wear on their chest.

Fair post that , don't really agree with it , but fair and balanced and not one derogatory remark towards the manager . Good post

[Sir Roger]

Emotions are running high based on expectations after last season. We have to accept that for whatever reason this season is a let down. I dont advocate sacking Rafa even though I am totally pi'ssed off with what has happened so far which has been brought on by himself I believe.
However I wish (probably in vain) that he would take a step back and analyse himself and his own weaknesses and admit that he has fu'cked up. I believe if he took a long hard look at himself and accepted his deficiencies he might be able to learn from his mistakes and not only rectify them but avoid making them in the future.
I honestly believed we would finish second this season. I am still optimistic that if we put a run together we can be in the top four. Its not a catastrophe or a meltdown as the media (who like gossiping arl women love this type of story) although it is a worry and has to be sorted as soon as the season is over.
The players (especially the more experienced ones) need to stop feeling sorry for themselves, roll their sleeves up and play for the badge they are so unbelievably lucky to wear on their chest.

Fair post that , don't really agree with it , but fair and balanced and not one derogatory remark towards the manager . Good post

That is not my style. There is no need to call him names. Especially while he is till our manager. No-one can accuse Rafa of not trying his best. My point is that sometimes you can over complicate things. As was once said by the father of modern football management:
""Football is a simple game based on the giving and taking of passes, of controlling the ball and of making yourself available to receive a pass. It is terribly simple."
All the analysis, scrutiny, investigation, research, preparation blah blah ad nauseum is not worth a teaspoon of sh'it if you cannot carry out these simple instructions.
Therein lies Rafa biggest problem in my opinion: too complicated, too intense, too much caution, too concerned, too much effort and too much control.
At the end of last season he seemed to lighten up and let the players express themselves. Is there a chance he will do this again?
Lets hope so.

[mjlfc09]

The kop are showing their full backing to the manager on Wednesday by the way.

[cpc4eva]

we've always been there giving our support for the players, for the club, for the manager, for the fans it what sets LFC apart from the rest....

but time to call a spade a spade.

If you only do what you've always done then you'll only get what you've always got

and what LFC has been getting in the 'bread and butter' stakes (the league) under rafa and other past managers hasnt been good enough and isnt LFC standards.

lets not forget Souness went after a FA cup loss but that wasnt the whole reason

get the bread and butter back no one needs reminding its been far too long without a league title and accepting "we may challenge for the title" just doesnt cut it.

[J*o*n*D*o*e]

The kop are showing their full backing to the manager on Wednesday by the way.

and so should everyone in the ground, results at the end of the day will determine whether he keeps his job or not, not the fooking c**** at sky or the gob$*i*e press, whilst he is our manager and the media are after him we dont turn our backs on one of our own, not on my watch.

[teamleader1]

You really are a blank space lad.

Our medical staff were involved before he had the op and as far as I can remember it was 4-6 weeks best scenario, a 20ml major gamble even for a club with money to burn and strikers to spare, never mind us!
Rierra; Rafa baffled more than a few when he went cold on him so he was fast becoming one of Rafas whipping boys.
ffs he sat on the bench while the best LB at the club played in his LM spot (while Insua got his usual drubbing)
And Alonso was pivitol in most moves whoever fed the strikers. he kept things moving with his vision.

You really do need to get your head out of your ar-se lad. the way you totally ignore all the fk ups by Rafa by blaming everyone and his uncle.

I think you just fancy youself as a bit of a cyber warrior with all your snarling
Do you fantisise from the safety of your bedroom that your  having a real ruck ?

Knobhead 

I've used harder tissues than you, so move along, tramp.[/quote]
Bless 

[Octsky]

Dont agreed with Murphy that we had gone backwards over the 4-5 years under Rafa, Rafa achieved much more than Hollier, but ONLY THIS SEASON that we have become one of the worst team in a decade.

I feel that Rafa has committed a/numerous fatal mistakes (mostly letting good players leaving) that is irreversible.  ie) Cheating on a wife or gf, how many can come back from that/??

Nevertheless i still wish we can win the EPL with Rafa but he need to sort up the mess now!
If there is no big payout to sack Rafa, he wont be here now, the same reason he wont get sack if we lose to spurs.

[Kharhaz]

I think the reason Rafa hasnt been sacked yet is simply because nobody can put their finger on exactly what has gone wrong. Rafas tactical decisions have always been under question but this season especially, he hasnt really had the squad to make the decisions that make us all question him. He has had his moments this season, but not enough for us all to truly question him.

"It is up to the manager to motivate the players" - I have seen this comment a few times. If that players wage and bonuses cannot motivate him, how the hell are the manager and supporters supposed to? The crowd have backed the team a good few times this season, and none of them can lift themself to play to either, supporters or manager. Rafa is responsible for the signings, and in this yes, it is his fault. He has signed players that made the right noises but have shown, the club dont come first.

The bad luck - Can anyone ever remember a season where so much went against us? This season has been horrendous. Injuries, refereeing decisions, beachballs !!, last minute equalisers or winners, so much has gone against us this season its hard for anyone to hold some sort of rational thought.

So let me try a rational thought. We are going to win nothing this season. We are not going to make the top 4, we dont deserve to. We wont win the UEFA cup, our concentration should be on the league, considering our current form, avoiding relegation is a plus. In a way it may be a blessing in disguise. With Rafa the Champions League is one of his priorities. Take that away and that leaves the league. Which leaves Rafa with one only way to take this club. To the league championship. This season is a write off, its a full on car crash with no airbags. By avoiding relegation we are leaving hospital with our lives, no permanent damage.

We look forward, in this case, to next season. And that in itself makes this season seem even longer, the damage has been done, all we can do now, for the rest of this season is to find some kind of stability and build from there.

[Owzat]

So it's ok to blame bad luck and decisions going against us this season, but last season was only 'great' because of good luck and decisions going our way? And that's not to say we relied entirely on luck last season, but we did get deflected goals (vs Chelsea for example), red cards in our favour (against Wigan, Chelsea, Citeh to name three teams)

It's not the managers fault, it's a) bad luck, b) injuries, c) bad decisions, d) fans (support/beachballs), e) a conspiracy, f)............................................ quick, give Rafa a 20 year contract so he can live the dream that he will emulate whiskeynose. Perhaps the magic is in the whiskey

[made in UK]

So it's ok to blame bad luck and decisions going against us this season, but last season was only 'great' because of good luck and decisions going our way? And that's not to say we relied entirely on luck last season, but we did get deflected goals (vs Chelsea for example), red cards in our favour (against Wigan, Chelsea, Citeh to name three teams)

It's not the managers fault, it's a) bad luck, b) injuries, c) bad decisions, d) fans (support/beachballs), e) a conspiracy, f)............................................ quick, give Rafa a 20 year contract so he can live the dream that he will emulate whiskeynose. Perhaps the magic is in the whiskey

I had home cooked Paela the other day and the secret certainly isn't in that!

[Sir Roger]

So it's ok to blame bad luck and decisions going against us this season, but last season was only 'great' because of good luck and decisions going our way? And that's not to say we relied entirely on luck last season, but we did get deflected goals (vs Chelsea for example), red cards in our favour (against Wigan, Chelsea, Citeh to name three teams)

It's not the managers fault, it's a) bad luck, b) injuries, c) bad decisions, d) fans (support/beachballs), e) a conspiracy, f)............................................ quick, give Rafa a 20 year contract so he can live the dream that he will emulate whiskeynose. Perhaps the magic is in the whiskey

Sarcasm at its best...


While luck does play a part in success it is naive in the extreme to believe that a players motivation to give a good performance is money. To be on 50 grand a week minimum whether you play well, or even play at all is no incentive to try your best. A major reason for motivation of players is the relationship with the manager and the supporters. The supporters (booing aside ) have pretty much given the players a resounding vote of confidence, even with the moaning that has gone with it.
However, the manager does not seem to have the same relationship with the team. He seems isolated and distant. I have been watching how he celebrates our goals. The fact is, he doesnt. I know people will say he shouldnt be running up and down like a headless chicken a la mourhino, or jumping up and down like a girl a la purple nose. But his coldness is disturbing and off-putting. He needs to work at trying to create, if not a family atmosphere, at least a friendly atmosphere whereby players feel that theyre actually going to be appreciated if they do something good.
They are, after all, not the brightest of buttons.
Thats why theyre footballers

[shawnk]

I wonder how the player feel when he has just scored and runs toward Rafa for celebration (oh wait, I haven't seen one)...
It's a major turn off when you have just scored and when you look at Rafa and he's giving you the next instruction (probably to defend)....