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[teamleader1]

Pre-season i think many of us already foresee the danger of  having Torres as our only world-class striker. It is like jumping down an airplane with only a parachute and no spare. What happens to Keane? Crouch? Owen? Bellamy?

So Rafa is playing with fire, he deserved to get burn. Only the club and fans are innocent parties.
Also the treatment of Babel is a disgrace, if you are not going to play him, then fu.ck.ing loan him back to Ajax or sell him to Brimingham for 9 mil instead of letting him rot on the bench, spoiling team morale and his market value.

Rafa is really stupidly stubborn.

Rafa is stubborn, yes, but I don't think you fully grasp some of the reasons for the things you've mentioned in your post. Why loan Babel back, or flog him if we are skint and in dire need for players? I'm sure Rafa would love to get rid of the lazy b"stard, but it's out of his hands when what good would it do to sell if you know you can't spend?

Did Rafa not grasp the fact that once he sold Alonso he needed a class player to step right in?
His best option had to be to drop SG back and spend the cash on a class forward to play alongside Torres (who has injury problems)
One of the last options must have been to pay 20ml on an injury prone Italian who needed an op that would keep him out for months

Now which option did Rafa opt for?

[Emerald Red]

Pre-season i think many of us already foresee the danger of  having Torres as our only world-class striker. It is like jumping down an airplane with only a parachute and no spare. What happens to Keane? Crouch? Owen? Bellamy?

So Rafa is playing with fire, he deserved to get burn. Only the club and fans are innocent parties.
Also the treatment of Babel is a disgrace, if you are not going to play him, then fu.ck.ing loan him back to Ajax or sell him to Brimingham for 9 mil instead of letting him rot on the bench, spoiling team morale and his market value.

Rafa is really stupidly stubborn.

Rafa is stubborn, yes, but I don't think you fully grasp some of the reasons for the things you've mentioned in your post. Why loan Babel back, or flog him if we are skint and in dire need for players? I'm sure Rafa would love to get rid of the lazy b"stard, but it's out of his hands when what good would it do to sell if you know you can't spend?

Did Rafa not grasp the fact that once he sold Alonso he needed a class player to step right in?
His best option had to be to drop SG back and spend the cash on a class forward to play alongside Torres (who has injury problems)
One of the last options must have been to pay 20ml on an injury prone Italian who needed an op that would keep him out for months

Now which option did Rafa opt for?

No, I disagree. You're probably one of those people who like to bang the "Lucas is sh*t" drum, for which is just a matter of opinion, but if you are, then surely you'd have noticed the partnership Torres and Gerrard had last season, and it clearly worked to devatating effect, so why change it? Again, if Rafa didn't buy on a player to replace Alonso, you'd be crying your lamps out about that too, wouldn't you? Rafa did what any other manager would have tried to do and find a replacement whilst keeping something that clearly was working. Hindisight is a wonderful thing for those wishing to place blame.

[KennyisGod....still]

Emerald....

sorry mate but this forums got to the point where unless you hate the boss you got no point postin. all that happens is for every positive post 6 negativ ones get put up by the same fukin people. we get games where (occasionally yes) Lucas turns in a good performance and gets people statin 'thats how bad we are, he's our best player....'

i get the feelin one day i'm gonna log in to find the sites been renamed www.itsrafasfaultandpissoffifyoudontlikeit.com

[only me]

Pre-season i think many of us already foresee the danger of  having Torres as our only world-class striker. It is like jumping down an airplane with only a parachute and no spare. What happens to Keane? Crouch? Owen? Bellamy?

So Rafa is playing with fire, he deserved to get burn. Only the club and fans are innocent parties.
Also the treatment of Babel is a disgrace, if you are not going to play him, then fu.ck.ing loan him back to Ajax or sell him to Brimingham for 9 mil instead of letting him rot on the bench, spoiling team morale and his market value.

Rafa is really stupidly stubborn.

Rafa is stubborn, yes, but I don't think you fully grasp some of the reasons for the things you've mentioned in your post. Why loan Babel back, or flog him if we are skint and in dire need for players? I'm sure Rafa would love to get rid of the lazy b"stard, but it's out of his hands when what good would it do to sell if you know you can't spend?

Did Rafa not grasp the fact that once he sold Alonso he needed a class player to step right in?
His best option had to be to drop SG back and spend the cash on a class forward to play alongside Torres (who has injury problems)
One of the last options must have been to pay 20ml on an injury prone Italian who needed an op that would keep him out for months

Now which option did Rafa opt for?

No, I disagree. You're probably one of those people who like to bang the "Lucas is sh*t" drum, for which is just a matter of opinion, but if you are, then surely you'd have noticed the partnership Torres and Gerrard had last season, and it clearly worked to devatating effect, so why change it? Again, if Rafa didn't buy on a player to replace Alonso, you'd be crying your lamps out about that too, wouldn't you? Rafa did what any other manager would have tried to do and find a replacement whilst keeping something that clearly was working. Hindisight is a wonderful thing for those wishing to place blame.

Hindsight has nothing to do with it - relying on one quality striker for a top premeirship team isn't a plan or a system ,it's a gamble ;Leaving the MF to an inexperienced player (not talented in my opinion but whatever you say) isn't a plan it's a gamble ,spending all your money on an injured players while blindly hoping we can manage till December is not a plan it's a gamble and a stupid one.

Last season was Wonderfull but to anyone with understanding of the game it was obvious we have squeezed that lemon to it's last drop ,Rafa utilized the short tight squad to the fullest ,no chance in hell he could have replicated last season with the same deplated squad - he failed miserably ,he built on the same concept which blow in our face and again totally predictable - no hindsight what so ever.

[teamleader1]

No, I disagree. You're probably one of those people who like to bang the "Lucas is sh*t" drum, for which is just a matter of opinion, but if you are, then surely you'd have noticed the partnership Torres and Gerrard had last season, and it clearly worked to devatating effect, so why change it? Again, if Rafa didn't buy on a player to replace Alonso, you'd be crying your lamps out about that too, wouldn't you? Rafa did what any other manager would have tried to do and find a replacement whilst keeping something that clearly was working. Hindisight is a wonderful thing for those wishing to place blame.

Lucas is a squad player at best, he proves that himself and dosnte need me or anyone banging a drum to enlighten anyone to the fact
And if he wanted to keep the Torres/SG partnership then why in gods name did he not buy a fit ready to go MF?
Now if your going to tell me there was none about that fitted the bill then would it not have been a better option to drop SG back and buy a forward?
Then again we did have Ngog and Voronin to rely upon.
Do you really think he's not responsible for this mess?
It was a forseeable accident waiting to happen.

[terry66]

I dont think Kenny is the answer, he has been out for a long time. Remember the last job he did at Newcastle. We need to stick with Rafa until the end of the season and then take stock

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I dont think Kenny is the answer, he has been out for a long time. Remember the last job he did at Newcastle. We need to stick with Rafa until the end of the season and then take stock

Yeah he got Newcastle to second in the league and to an FA cup final in his short time there ...... complete failure 

[KennyisGod....still]

Kenny was a hero in his playin days, a hero as our manager an remains a hero to this day behind the scenes. i for one wouldnt want him put in a position where a man that was praised for winnin th CL in such remarkable cicumstances can now be villified by the same people that shouted his name a few yrs ago. i hope Kenny never gets approached to take the job again, regardless of his people skills, his attitude toward th club and his vast experience, knowledge and well earned respect within football. He's been out of 'limelight football' for years, as was Keegan when he went to the toon. an look how that ended up. i love Dalglish more than any footballer that ever wore red, played at Anfield an served this magnificent institution. to come back an have to work under twit and twat wudnt be how i wanna remember him here, sorry.

sentimental old fool i guess.

[KennyisGod....still]

I dont think Kenny is the answer, he has been out for a long time. Remember the last job he did at Newcastle. We need to stick with Rafa until the end of the season and then take stock

Yeah he got Newcastle to second in the league and to an FA cup final in his short time there ...... complete failure 

thatt'll be almost as complete a failure as winnin th CL, th FA cup an a second CL appearance in 3 seasons huh? or was that too long ago to count?

Dalglish is a God, lets not bring him down to this kinda treatment Rafa's sufferin cuz by god i dont know a manager out there that can perform miracles of th like we're lookin for before this season finishes.

[account deleted by request]

Kenny was a hero in his playin days, a hero as our manager an remains a hero to this day behind the scenes. i for one wouldnt want him put in a position where a man that was praised for winnin th CL in such remarkable cicumstances can now be villified by the same people that shouted his name a few yrs ago. i hope Kenny never gets approached to take the job again, regardless of his people skills, his attitude toward th club and his vast experience, knowledge and well earned respect within football. He's been out of 'limelight football' for years, as was Keegan when he went to the toon. an look how that ended up. i love Dalglish more than any footballer that ever wore red, played at Anfield an served this magnificent institution. to come back an have to work under twit and twat wudnt be how i wanna remember him here, sorry.

sentimental old fool i guess.

I feel just the same mate. I would hate to see him tarnish his rep. I do however believe he could still do the job if only in the short term, and I honestly believe if he did take on the job we would see immediate benefits. If things don't work out bring in a new manager in the summer with no loss of rep or hard feelings for Dalglish.

[account deleted by request]

I dont think Kenny is the answer, he has been out for a long time. Remember the last job he did at Newcastle. We need to stick with Rafa until the end of the season and then take stock

Yeah he got Newcastle to second in the league and to an FA cup final in his short time there ...... complete failure 

thatt'll be almost as complete a failure as winnin th CL, th FA cup an a second CL appearance in 3 seasons huh? or was that too long ago to count?

Dalglish is a God, lets not bring him down to this kinda treatment Rafa's sufferin cuz by god i dont know a manager out there that can perform miracles of th like we're lookin for before this season finishes.

The sad thing is that Kenny has won as many trophies in the last three years as Rafa mate.

[account deleted by request]

Seriously, I don't think after 6 years and god knows how many millions of pounds that we are asking for miracles mate.

[Octsky]

Pre-season i think many of us already foresee the danger of  having Torres as our only world-class striker. It is like jumping down an airplane with only a parachute and no spare. What happens to Keane? Crouch? Owen? Bellamy?

So Rafa is playing with fire, he deserved to get burn. Only the club and fans are innocent parties.
Also the treatment of Babel is a disgrace, if you are not going to play him, then fu.ck.ing loan him back to Ajax or sell him to Brimingham for 9 mil instead of letting him rot on the bench, spoiling team morale and his market value.

Rafa is really stupidly stubborn.

Rafa is stubborn, yes, but I don't think you fully grasp some of the reasons for the things you've mentioned in your post. Why loan Babel back, or flog him if we are skint and in dire need for players? I'm sure Rafa would love to get rid of the lazy b"stard, but it's out of his hands when what good would it do to sell if you know you can't spend?

Did Rafa not grasp the fact that once he sold Alonso he needed a class player to step right in?
His best option had to be to drop SG back and spend the cash on a class forward to play alongside Torres (who has injury problems)
One of the last options must have been to pay 20ml on an injury prone Italian who needed an op that would keep him out for months

Now which option did Rafa opt for?

No, I disagree. You're probably one of those people who like to bang the "Lucas is sh*t" drum, for which is just a matter of opinion, but if you are, then surely you'd have noticed the partnership Torres and Gerrard had last season, and it clearly worked to devatating effect, so why change it? Again, if Rafa didn't buy on a player to replace Alonso, you'd be crying your lamps out about that too, wouldn't you? Rafa did what any other manager would have tried to do and find a replacement whilst keeping something that clearly was working. Hindisight is a wonderful thing for those wishing to place blame.

Hindsight has nothing to do with it - relying on one quality striker for a top premeirship team isn't a plan or a system ,it's a gamble ;Leaving the MF to an inexperienced player (not talented in my opinion but whatever you say) isn't a plan it's a gamble ,spending all your money on an injured players while blindly hoping we can manage till December is not a plan it's a gamble and a stupid one.

Last season was Wonderfull but to anyone with understanding of the game it was obvious we have squeezed that lemon to it's last drop ,Rafa utilized the short tight squad to the fullest ,no chance in hell he could have replicated last season with the same deplated squad - he failed miserably ,he built on the same concept which blow in our face and again totally predictable - no hindsight what so ever.

Agreed that Torres/SG is a devastating combination. But isnt it stupid just to reply on them?? what if one of them is down??
any back-up??

Maybe 18mil spend on Johnson can help...and when has he start playing CF/AM ??

Doesnt Rafa seriously think that the Torres/SG combine can last throughout the season?
If we have a good run of cup games, u mean this combination can last for 50 ++ games without any both of them getting injured?

Has Rafa gotten himself into this situation now?
Absolutely, yes.

[KennyisGod....still]

I dont think Kenny is the answer, he has been out for a long time. Remember the last job he did at Newcastle. We need to stick with Rafa until the end of the season and then take stock

Yeah he got Newcastle to second in the league and to an FA cup final in his short time there ...... complete failure 

thatt'll be almost as complete a failure as winnin th CL, th FA cup an a second CL appearance in 3 seasons huh? or was that too long ago to count?

Dalglish is a God, lets not bring him down to this kinda treatment Rafa's sufferin cuz by god i dont know a manager out there that can perform miracles of th like we're lookin for before this season finishes.

The sad thing is that Kenny has won as many trophies in the last three years as Rafa mate.

cant argue with that!! 

[teamleader1]

Kenny was a hero in his playin days, a hero as our manager an remains a hero to this day behind the scenes. i for one wouldnt want him put in a position where a man that was praised for winnin th CL in such remarkable cicumstances can now be villified by the same people that shouted his name a few yrs ago. i hope Kenny never gets approached to take the job again, regardless of his people skills, his attitude toward th club and his vast experience, knowledge and well earned respect within football. He's been out of 'limelight football' for years, as was Keegan when he went to the toon. an look how that ended up. i love Dalglish more than any footballer that ever wore red, played at Anfield an served this magnificent institution. to come back an have to work under twit and twat wudnt be how i wanna remember him here, sorry.

sentimental old fool i guess.

Daggers would never be thought of in the same way as Rafa and I for one would have him in charge as of now.
I think your selling him short on the managerial front m8, he would give the whole place a lift and I would have every faith in him turning the season around
Give him till summer and if it is working then let him carry on if he wants to.
Rafa has lost the plot and has to go.