Liverpool FC Forum

[tubby]

IF we dont qualify for next years CL i agree with souness, the banks will put pressure on liverpool and will force them to sell 1 or 2 major assets, starting with torres.

No they wont. If we did sell any major players then the chances of qualifying for the CL the following season would be even less so with that dynamic where does it end?

They have to put pressure on them to sell the club.

[Ben Patrick]

King Kenny just been saying on Sky that the players and everyone fully behind Rafa and fully intend on getting their form back . He said they most certainly want him to lead their side as opposed to having to face him leading another side .

You keep saying this mate but lets be honest these kind of statements are always made publicly.
I dont for one minute believe them though.

[tonyeh]

...and they're usually a sign of the exact opposite too.

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"

[Big Niall]

I just cannot understand how he got a new contract. I lost faith in him years ago. We probably cannot afford to get rid of him now but I think he is rubbish.

We usually lose now.

[tonyeh]

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[Simari]

In all honesty, if the players took part in Dundalks poll on "stay or go" for the manager, and they were allowed to vote under a nom de plume and in secret, how do you think the majority would vote?

I am absolutely convinced looking at the mood of the players, the body language, our lack of passion and the rest that the players would vote overwhelmingly for a change of manager.

I would have to totally disagree with many of the players already been out in support of the manager

Pepe - Stay
Johnson - Stay
Agger - Stay
Carra - Stay
Insua - Stay
Aurelio - Stay
Masher - Undecided
Lucas -Stay
Kuyt - Stay
Babel- Go
Voronin - Go
Yossi - Stay
Gerrard - Stay
Torres - Stay
Skrtel - Stay
Ngog - Stay
Aquilani - Stay

Thats how i think they would all vote .

I dont for one minute believe that Stevie would want him to stay.

I know you will come back and say based on what ?

His body language is my answer, he looks totally fed up and even if he wouldnt admit it publicly i think he would definately prefer a new manager.

Stevie's body language?

The guy is hardly match fit and looks an old hag on the field. Give him a few more games with Torres up-front and Stevie's "body language" as you perceive it, will be just fine.

[Benny The Noon]

King Kenny just been saying on Sky that the players and everyone fully behind Rafa and fully intend on getting their form back . He said they most certainly want him to lead their side as opposed to having to face him leading another side .

You keep saying this mate but lets be honest these kind of statements are always made publicly.
I dont for one minute believe them though.

Nothing wrong with people in the club comiing out and being positive in the face of so much negative press these days - Kenny is extremley well respected and knows his onions so i for one am happy to believe Kennys view on things - Also Torres is going to be on Sky in a bit so will be interesting to see what he says .

[Big Niall]

In all honesty, if the players took part in Dundalks poll on "stay or go" for the manager, and they were allowed to vote under a nom de plume and in secret, how do you think the majority would vote?

I am absolutely convinced looking at the mood of the players, the body language, our lack of passion and the rest that the players would vote overwhelmingly for a change of manager.

I would have to totally disagree with many of the players already been out in support of the manager

Pepe - Stay
Johnson - Stay
Agger - Stay
Carra - Stay
Insua - Stay
Aurelio - Stay
Masher - Undecided
Lucas -Stay
Kuyt - Stay
Babel- Go
Voronin - Go
Yossi - Stay
Gerrard - Stay
Torres - Stay
Skrtel - Stay
Ngog - Stay
Aquilani - Stay

Thats how i think they would all vote .

I dont for one minute believe that Stevie would want him to stay.

I know you will come back and say based on what ?

His body language is my answer, he looks totally fed up and even if he wouldnt admit it publicly i think he would definately prefer a new manager.

Stevie's body language?

The guy is hardly match fit and looks an old hag on the field. Give him a few more games with Torres up-front and Stevie's "body language" as you perceive it, will be just fine.

He is probably gutted as he now realises that it is unlikely that he will ever win a league medal (especially if Benitez is in charge)

[Judge]

niall are you heimdall ?

[Benny The Noon]

Rafa is on skysports news after 3 and responding to people like colleymore. Could be interesting

[Benny The Noon]

Rafa said that he turns off when people like souness and klinsmann speak on sky and said they both have fantastic records as a manager and the fans know this - very tongue in cheek .

[Ben Patrick]

Rafa said that he turns off when people like souness and klinsmann speak on sky and said they both have fantastic records as a manager and the fans know this - very tongue in cheek .

Haha fair play to Rafa on that one 

[Benny The Noon]

Rafa Benitez has hit back at Graeme Souness after comments made by the former Liverpool manager that the club are on the verge of "meltdown".

Wednesday's Sky Sports studio panel of Souness and Jurgen Klinsmann were critical of the Reds after they succumbed to another late sucker punch in the UEFA Champions League which saw them lose 2-1 to Fiorentina.

Souness, who managed the club in the early 1990s, revealed his fear that his former club could capitulate should they fail to qualify for next year's European competition.

But Benitez, who came close to leaving the club when American owners George Gillett and Tom Hicks spoke to Klinsmann about the possibility of taking over from the Spaniard, was unfazed by the Scot's comments.

"I switch off the volume of Sky," Benitez joked to Sky Sports News. "I think they both have a fantastic record as a manager so the fans they know really well what they say.

Unfazed

"The club we have to win, we have a responsibility, we have to concentrate on our job and that's it. If someone talks too much then that's their problem but the fans know the records they have both as a manager is fantastic."

Fernando Torres, who Souness fears will leave the club if they do not clinch Champions League football next term, conceded earlier on Friday that he thought Liverpool were out of the title race.

But Benitez was not yet ready to give up on hopes that the Reds can end their 20-year wait for the domestic crown ahead of Sunday's clash with Arsenal, which can be seen live on Sky Sports.

"I am just thinking about Arsenal," the Spanish tactician added. "We have to play against Arsenal, try to win, think about Wigan, think about Portsmouth and carry on."

Important

The weekend clash, which resulted in a 4-4 thriller last season, could see Liverpool go within one point of the Gunners should they claim maximum points.

But Benitez was quick to play down the significance of the Anfield showdown, claiming every game from now until the end of the season is vital to the Reds' quest for a top-four finish.

Of Sunday's game: "I think it's important but every game can be important to the end of the season.

"We have to start with this one because they are at the top of the table so if we can win we will be closer and we'll have better chances to finish in the top four."

[Simari]

In all honesty, if the players took part in Dundalks poll on "stay or go" for the manager, and they were allowed to vote under a nom de plume and in secret, how do you think the majority would vote?

I am absolutely convinced looking at the mood of the players, the body language, our lack of passion and the rest that the players would vote overwhelmingly for a change of manager.

I would have to totally disagree with many of the players already been out in support of the manager

Pepe - Stay
Johnson - Stay
Agger - Stay
Carra - Stay
Insua - Stay
Aurelio - Stay
Masher - Undecided
Lucas -Stay
Kuyt - Stay
Babel- Go
Voronin - Go
Yossi - Stay
Gerrard - Stay
Torres - Stay
Skrtel - Stay
Ngog - Stay
Aquilani - Stay

Thats how i think they would all vote .

I dont for one minute believe that Stevie would want him to stay.

I know you will come back and say based on what ?

His body language is my answer, he looks totally fed up and even if he wouldnt admit it publicly i think he would definately prefer a new manager.

Stevie's body language?

The guy is hardly match fit and looks an old hag on the field. Give him a few more games with Torres up-front and Stevie's "body language" as you perceive it, will be just fine.

He is probably gutted as he now realises that it is unlikely that he will ever win a league medal (especially if Benitez is in charge)

then he better get fit soon and start playing like the Stevie we know, if he wants to win a title. He is no longer a kid who can run off to some corner and sulk.

His form this season has been very disappointing. And that nothing to do with Benitez.

In fact, Benny is the only credible, consistent performer this season.

[Ben Patrick]

then he better get fit soon and start playing like the Stevie we know, if he wants to win a title. He is no longer a kid who can run off to some corner and sulk.

His form this season has been very disappointing. And that nothing to do with Benitez.

In fact, Benny is the only credible, consistent performer this season.

I think he is clearly injured though.
Well it has looked like that to me.

Just to come back to one of your earlier posts where you stated that Gerrards body language might be just down to the fact that he is injured and playing like an old hag (i think)
Its not just the way he has been playing that has worried me.
As i said i think he is injured, there was a time in the first half wednesday where someone got in down the left for them, and Stevie looked knackered trying to chase back and so laboured.
Never seen him like that personally.

What i meant is when things have been going wrong i have seen his head drop, and a look on his face of resignation.
Some will jump on this and say that as captain he needs to get the players up, rally the troops etc etc.
While i agree, he seems to know that the troops out there for battle with him are not upto the job and no matter how many huddles before the match and clenched fist prompts to his team mates, if the opposing team have better players invariably you will struggle.

Thats why i think imo he would like a change of manager.

I could be wrong, but if we get another book from him in 5-10 years i would be prepared to bet that he was not at all happy with the manager at this point and the way we are progressing.