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Postby Scottbot » Wed Aug 04, 2010 11:07 am

Ciggy wrote:I predict this topic will be short lived, I predict we will have a new manager this time next year if we are taken over within the next few weeks, I even think we will have a new manager within the next few months.

Obviously it will all depend on the win/loss column. If Hosgson is a winning manager he'll be going nowhere, if he struggles despite being given a strong financial backing then he'll be out the door quick smart. Same as any manager at a big club.
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Postby bigmick » Wed Aug 04, 2010 11:11 am

Well whatever anyone "predicts", surely we all hope Roy is our manager for a considerable length of time don't we ??? If he is winning football matches, which obviously we all want, then it seems to me he is in a very safe job indeed. To that end, I'm sure every single Liverpool fan is hoping and praying he does really well and begins by improving on the 7th place of last season in this coming campaign.
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Postby jacdaniel » Wed Aug 04, 2010 11:29 am

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Ciggy wrote:I predict this topic will be short lived, I predict we will have a new manager this time next year if we are taken over within the next few weeks, I even think we will have a new manager within the next few months.

If the takeover happens we may have a new manager every few months! :D Patience & wealth don't always go well together.

So true...

Billionaire owners might ruin the liverpool way.

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Postby Owzat » Wed Aug 04, 2010 12:17 pm

bigmick wrote:Well whatever anyone "predicts", surely we all hope Roy is our manager for a considerable length of time don't we ???

I want Liverpool FC to win games, if Woy isn't doing that then I don't want him "for a considerable length of time" ie he should get as long as he deserves.

Obviously it would take a set of dreadful losses and one of the worst starts ever for it not to be very long, but on the flip side I wouldn't expect him to be given a long time if it clearly isn't working.
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Postby tubby » Wed Aug 04, 2010 12:22 pm

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bigmick wrote:Well whatever anyone "predicts", surely we all hope Roy is our manager for a considerable length of time don't we ???

I want Liverpool FC to win games, if Woy isn't doing that then I don't want him "for a considerable length of time" ie he should get as long as he deserves.

Obviously it would take a set of dreadful losses and one of the worst starts ever for it not to be very long, but on the flip side I wouldn't expect him to be given a long time if it clearly isn't working.

Spot on. If we do get a new owner with decent funds for the team the he needs to start producing quick. If he doens't, then he needs to be shipped out.

As you say though I wouldn't expect him to be given a long time if it clearly isn't working.
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Postby bigmick » Wed Aug 04, 2010 12:33 pm

Once again our staunch supporters get right behind the new man :laugh:  "If we do get a new owner with decent funds for the team the he needs to start producing quick. If he doens't, then he needs to be shipped out."

Fecking hell :D We're playing Arsenal, Man City and Man Utd in the first five matches, Roy could be gone by the end of September FFS :D .
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Postby 7_Kewell » Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:01 pm

bigmick wrote:Once again our staunch supporters get right behind the new man :laugh:  If we do get a new owner with decent funds for the team the he needs to start producing quick. If he doens't, then he needs to be shipped out.

Fecking hell :D We're playing Arsenal, Man City and Man Utd in the first five matches, Roy could be gone by the end of September FFS :D .

you just can't make it up.  :laugh:
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Postby tubby » Wed Aug 04, 2010 5:27 pm

bigmick wrote:Once again our staunch supporters get right behind the new man :laugh:  "If we do get a new owner with decent funds for the team the he needs to start producing quick. If he doens't, then he needs to be shipped out."

Fecking hell :D We're playing Arsenal, Man City and Man Utd in the first five matches, Roy could be gone by the end of September FFS :D .

To be honest if we end up becoming a pretty wealthy club you can bet the new owner(s) will want quick results. If Chelsea or City are anything to go by anyway... not saying we will deffo go down the same route but you can't say it's not a possibility.

And I don't see how that has anything to dowith backing the manager. I back Loy 100%, but at the same time if we do end up getting a lot of money to spend he needs to make sure he gets it right quick otherwise he will be moved on.

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Postby bigmick » Thu Aug 05, 2010 10:34 pm

Some further evidence tonight to base an opinion on. Even though the opposition were palpably garbage, there were one or two things which cropped up.

Firstly, either the players aren't taking any notice of the manager, or we are playing a much "looser" style. Some would call it more fluid but I'll stick to "loose" as it's fair to say we are being riskier than we were under Rafa. We are committing more men forward, players are interchanging positions much more readily, and it is unquestionable that we look like slightly more vulnerable to the counter attack as a result (as well as obviously more potent going forward).

This team (Hodgsons) looks unlikely at this stage to replicate the two holding midfielder policy, personified in the Lucas/Masherano axis. At least one of the holders, sometimes both, is given license to go forward.

We still defend zonally. We will need to play against someone who has a clue to have a proper look at it.
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Postby Thommo's perm » Thu Aug 05, 2010 10:57 pm

bigmick wrote:Some further evidence tonight to base an opinion on. Even though the opposition were palpably garbage, there were one or two things which cropped up.

Firstly, either the players aren't taking any notice of the manager, or we are playing a much "looser" style. Some would call it more fluid but I'll stick to "loose" as it's fair to say we are being riskier than we were under Rafa. We are committing more men forward, players are interchanging positions much more readily, and it is unquestionable that we look like slightly more vulnerable to the counter attack as a result (as well as obviously more potent going forward).

This team (Hodgsons) looks unlikely at this stage to replicate the two holding midfielder policy, personified in the Lucas/Masherano axis. At least one of the holders, sometimes both, is given license to go forward.

We still defend zonally. We will need to play against someone who has a clue to have a proper look at it.

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Postby Igor Zidane » Thu Aug 05, 2010 11:11 pm

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bigmick wrote:Some further evidence tonight to base an opinion on. Even though the opposition were palpably garbage, there were one or two things which cropped up.

Firstly, either the players aren't taking any notice of the manager, or we are playing a much "looser" style. Some would call it more fluid but I'll stick to "loose" as it's fair to say we are being riskier than we were under Rafa. We are committing more men forward, players are interchanging positions much more readily, and it is unquestionable that we look like slightly more vulnerable to the counter attack as a result (as well as obviously more potent going forward).

This team (Hodgsons) looks unlikely at this stage to replicate the two holding midfielder policy, personified in the Lucas/Masherano axis. At least one of the holders, sometimes both, is given license to go forward.

We still defend zonally. We will need to play against someone who has a clue to have a proper look at it.

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Postby Thommo's perm » Thu Aug 05, 2010 11:17 pm

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bigmick wrote:Some further evidence tonight to base an opinion on. Even though the opposition were palpably garbage, there were one or two things which cropped up.

Firstly, either the players aren't taking any notice of the manager, or we are playing a much "looser" style. Some would call it more fluid but I'll stick to "loose" as it's fair to say we are being riskier than we were under Rafa. We are committing more men forward, players are interchanging positions much more readily, and it is unquestionable that we look like slightly more vulnerable to the counter attack as a result (as well as obviously more potent going forward).

This team (Hodgsons) looks unlikely at this stage to replicate the two holding midfielder policy, personified in the Lucas/Masherano axis. At least one of the holders, sometimes both, is given license to go forward.

We still defend zonally. We will need to play against someone who has a clue to have a proper look at it.

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Thank goodness Rafa said "adios"

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Good point
Nice to see the manager laughing and celebrating a goal instead of looking at his watch or waving like a loon to no-one in particular
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Postby aCe' » Thu Aug 05, 2010 11:20 pm

bigmick wrote:Some further evidence tonight to base an opinion on. Even though the opposition were palpably garbage, there were one or two things which cropped up.

Firstly, either the players aren't taking any notice of the manager, or we are playing a much "looser" style. Some would call it more fluid but I'll stick to "loose" as it's fair to say we are being riskier than we were under Rafa. We are committing more men forward, players are interchanging positions much more readily, and it is unquestionable that we look like slightly more vulnerable to the counter attack as a result (as well as obviously more potent going forward).

This team (Hodgsons) looks unlikely at this stage to replicate the two holding midfielder policy, personified in the Lucas/Masherano axis. At least one of the holders, sometimes both, is given license to go forward.

We still defend zonally. We will need to play against someone who has a clue to have a proper look at it.

Good post... I think it would be very difficult for us to play this formation(setup) against any decent side with quality attacking players...

Exciting football and all that, but i certainly wouldnt expect us to dominate possession as much against the likes of Chelsea, Manutd, Arsenal, Tottenham, Mancity..etc... Certainly wouldnt rely on this setup in the latter stages of a cup competition either...

Might be a good way to break down the smaller sides, but I think we'll struggle early on if we decide to continue doing things the way they've been this preseason..

I'd be much more comfortable with a Mascherano-like figure playing much deeper than Lucas did today, with less attacking freedom in a much more disciplined holding role... Might take a little away from our fluid attacking approach but it would certainly add a little more balance imo..
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Postby andy_g » Thu Aug 05, 2010 11:24 pm

i don't know if that super loose fluid attacking stylee was down to roy's imprint or the fact that we had cole, pacheco, gerrard, johnson and jovanovic - all clever, tricky players - on the pitch at the same time and finding ample room in which to express themselves and have a little footballing fun. it was, apart from the finishing, hugely entertaining to watch, but as mick says until we play someone half decent we'll have no idea if that is the way we'll carry on.

the most important and significant difference for me was that for the first time in a long time the players seemed to be genuinely enjoying themselves. in fact i can sense a gerrard/cole love in that rivals the gerrard/torres one. if when nando comes back it turns into a potent menage-a-trois with smiles all round and sexy flicks and tricks then we'll all be happy bunnies.
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Postby Ciggy » Thu Aug 05, 2010 11:28 pm

andy_g wrote:the most important and significant difference for me was that for the first time in a long time the players seemed to be genuinely enjoying themselves. in fact i can sense a gerrard/cole love in that rivals the gerrard/torres one. if when nando comes back it turns into a potent menage-a-trois with smiles all round and sexy flicks and tricks then we'll all be happy bunnies.

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