Liverpool FC Forum

[puroresu]

only a fool would say academies in England have produced the quality which many thought they would.  El Tel and Brooking have admitted that basically the have failed.

The Dutch League isnt the strongest but without TV money its so difficult to compete with England, Spain and Italy.  However the standard is still good.  Its not like clubs from the 3 big leagues look at the dutch league as some low standard and question whether its players can play in there own leagues.  If anything they look at it as a great place to get quality for cheap.

Only a fool would think I am endorsing British football academies, had you actually read my views on academies you may realise that I am one of the biggest critics of it. Yet, that is not even the point in debate.

Your posts have an anti-British tone to them, borne out of our foreign policy in the middle-east.


Once again, you miss the point entirely about talent and the strength of the league. We don't produce talent in the same vein as Holland and yet our league is significantly ahead in its overall quality and organisation.

It's not solely down to TV money, it's a combination of factors including population, attendances, lifestyle and history.

tv money isnt the only factor but it plays a huge part.  Without the foreign players the english league becomes one of a not so great standard.  10 years ago English sides would struggle to beat Bronby in Europe let alone Barcelona.  Its no coincidence that the best 3 leagues get the greatest amount of tv revenue.

just to make u happy yes I'm anti british. lol

[mikopool]

I would rather see us make a move for Alves, he is going to add quite the dynamic to whichever club he plays for next year, I just hope it's not another prem club. The idea of Babel coming to Liverpool is exciting. I am confident with time he will be a hit. Only thing that bothers me is him saying he wanted to play for Arsenal. Doesn't seem like he personally is overly excited about playing for what is soon to be the best club in the world.

[LFC2007]

tv money isnt the only factor but it plays a huge part.  Without the foreign players the english league becomes one of a not so great standard.  10 years ago English sides would struggle to beat Bronby in Europe let alone Barcelona.  Its no coincidence that the best 3 leagues get the greatest amount of tv revenue.

just to make u happy yes I'm anti british. lol

TV money plays a big part as does the desire for football in this country. Our stadia have a greater capacity than virtually any league in Europe (the yanks probably beat us but they always do things big and they have sh!t attendances). The capacity is one thing the desire to attend is another, our Championship has greater attendances than Serie A and Ligue 1 even. We have a history of football in this country and the stadia and infrastructure to match, TV money has merely augmented the existing structure.

[aCe']

We are paying the going rate.
Man U paid more for Anderson and Nani who are also good prospects.
Chelsea paid a similar amount last season for Obi Mikel.
Christ even Arsenal pay big bucks for young prospects.
As soon as clubs from abroad see an English team interested in a prospect the price doubles or even trebles.
Thats life.

thats not the point... the price might have not been that big an issue had we signed a top class winger already... problem is, we havent...
we need atleast one top winger to improve our starting 11 and signing Babel is no guarantee of improvement.
i know that signing any player is a risk but signing an established player who would walk into the first team so0ner rather than later (if ever) would make more sense...
13mill or so is big money and any other top winger would have cost a couple of million more or so.... no brainer...
given the choice of a potential world class winger who MIGHT cost double the selling price in a years time OR a top class winger who would probably have an immediate impact on the starting side i know what i would pick...

no doubt Babel has potential and no doubt Rafa sees something in him that even the Ajax fans dont... still, if we dont sign a class winger or babel doesnt improve the 1st team NEXT SEASON... this transfer would be seen as a failure by most fans...

[Ace Ventura]

only a fool would say academies in England have produced the quality which many thought they would.  El Tel and Brooking have admitted that basically the have failed.

The Dutch League isnt the strongest but without TV money its so difficult to compete with England, Spain and Italy.  However the standard is still good.  Its not like clubs from the 3 big leagues look at the dutch league as some low standard and question whether its players can play in there own leagues.  If anything they look at it as a great place to get quality for cheap.

Only a fool would think I am endorsing British football academies, had you actually read my views on academies you may realise that I am one of the biggest critics of it. Yet, that is not even the point in debate.

Your posts have an anti-British tone to them, borne out of our foreign policy in the middle-east.


Once again, you miss the point entirely about talent and the strength of the league. We don't produce talent in the same vein as Holland and yet our league is significantly ahead in its overall quality and organisation.

It's not solely down to TV money, it's a combination of factors including population, attendances, lifestyle and history.

tv money isnt the only factor but it plays a huge part.  Without the foreign players the english league becomes one of a not so great standard.  10 years ago English sides would struggle to beat Bronby in Europe let alone Barcelona.  Its no coincidence that the best 3 leagues get the greatest amount of tv revenue.

just to make u happy yes I'm anti british. lol

Er your a cheeky tw@t !

10 years ago we might have lost a european tie to Brondy, but before we were banned i seem to recall english clubs taking over the european competitions.

It has taken a bit of time to get back to that sort of level, as obviously european football is completley different but we are now over the last few years right back up there.

Harp on all you like about money as well, but ak yourself this, WHY IS IT THAT OUR CLUBS ARE PAID THAT SORT OF MONEY IN THE FIRST PLACE ?

[BOODIDDY]

Hmm Babel...we'll see about him.

Babel and Benayoun...

Chelsea buy the likes of malouda and possibly daniel alves while we buy them two..

Well we'll see

FFs. Some of the people on here are absolute wits. They moan we don't buy because united go and spend 40m on two kids, yet when we go and buy a very good dutch kid for big money everyone reckons we are paying over the top.

They then go on about Malouda's, Alves' etc purely because the poor press believe they are our targets. Alves was last year. Benitez wasn't prepared to pay for malouda (personally, his attitude is all wrong for us a typical chelsea player)

We need a thread for these dimwits who are playing fantasy football. The ones who think we can field a team with the likes of deco, kaka, ronaldo, gerrard, alves, eto'o villa in the same team.

Its a cliche now, but in rafa i trust.

[paisleyred]

Benitez wouldnt blow 10-13 million on Babel if he didnt think he could do a job this season.
Whos to say he cant adapt to a different league better than Malouda,Simao etc.
He has very important attributes needed for the prem.
Speed(sh!t off a shovel)
Strength
And he hasnt a bad shot on him either.

[mistyred]

Hmm Babel...we'll see about him.

Babel and Benayoun...

Chelsea buy the likes of malouda and possibly daniel alves while we buy them two..

Well we'll see

FFs. Some of the people on here are absolute wits. They moan we don't buy because united go and spend 40m on two kids, yet when we go and buy a very good dutch kid for big money everyone reckons we are paying over the top.

They then go on about Malouda's, Alves' etc purely because the poor press believe they are our targets. Alves was last year. Benitez wasn't prepared to pay for malouda (personally, his attitude is all wrong for us a typical chelsea player)

We need a thread for these dimwits who are playing fantasy football. The ones who think we can field a team with the likes of deco, kaka, ronaldo, gerrard, alves, eto'o villa in the same team.

Its a cliche now, but in rafa i trust.

Well said

[maguskwt]

tv money isnt the only factor but it plays a huge part.  Without the foreign players the english league becomes one of a not so great standard.  10 years ago English sides would struggle to beat Bronby in Europe let alone Barcelona.  Its no coincidence that the best 3 leagues get the greatest amount of tv revenue.

just to make u happy yes I'm anti british. lol

TV money plays a big part as does the desire for football in this country. Our stadia have a greater capacity than virtually any league in Europe (the yanks probably beat us but they always do things big and they have sh!t attendances). The capacity is one thing the desire to attend is another, our Championship has greater attendances than Serie A and Ligue 1 even. We have a history of football in this country and the stadia and infrastructure to match, TV money has merely augmented the existing structure.

well EPL is so strong because of marketing... marketing build on tradition...

[ajaxs21]

HE IS so colse guys

[Redrulz(lfc)]

When Man Utd sign ronaldo for 12mil at that time he didnot get a full match in his his league and i don't think that portugues league is better then Dutch league.

Transfers are always gone to be a risk my friends.
When chelsea sign Sheva from one of the best league but he could not do anything .
My point is the status of league didnot tell about the player.

[Redrulz(lfc)]

Marco van basten said
babel has all the qualities to be the new henry

from van basten - thats good enough for me to say yes he can be

[Redrulz(lfc)]

According to various websities liverpool will pay around £8 million up front in a deal worth a potential £12 million dependant on appearances and bonuses.

[JohnBull]

I was not really happy about the Yanks at first and some of Raffas signings in the past were obviously from his "B" list and were never going to make it here.
This close season has been brilliant and I could not fault ONE of the signings. Just let's hope we show the aggression this NEW team has, when we play the other two.
Anyone with access to the Dutch channels (RTE etc) should have a good look at Babel before putting a question mark on him.

[Leonmc0708]

I was not really happy about the Yanks at first and some of Raffas signings in the past were obviously from his "B" list and were never going to make it here.
This close season has been brilliant and I could not fault ONE of the signings. Just let's hope we show the aggression this NEW team has, when we play the other two.
Anyone with access to the Dutch channels (RTE etc) should have a good look at Babel before putting a question mark on him.

Long time no speak Bully liiid.

You still in Melling ?