Liverpool FC Forum

[dawson99]

nobody in particular, the point is many said we can not compete with teams that can go out and spend 30 million on players, the teams always mention are chelsea and man utd, we beat both twice in the league this season, I pointed out before its nothing but an excuse when we don't perform well and the fact we are sat between these two teams having beat both shows it's not the cost of the player but the quality of the player

peewee is saynig cheatski and manure are the ones with the 30mill players, not us, hes paying liverpool a compliment!

well put peewee

[GYBS]

being able to spend big to enable to have not just a strong first 11 but also very strong back up goes a long way to helping you succeed over the course of a whole seasin and not just one off games . where chelsea anywhere near winning the cl or prem before abramovich arrived ?? i dont think they were . yes money isnt the whole reason but its a big reason . man utd can spend the 30 mil on just one player to add to an already good and expensive squad .

just look at how much eacxh one of their players they have bought over the last ten yearsa have cost - same with chelsea .

its more than just an 11 man game throughtout the season now - its a full squad game and that is where man utd are able to bring in 20 million pound subs and youngsters .

[Bad Bob]

There is a reason for it, and it is most likely that we didn't go for it enough. We're addressing that now, and even away it's very hard for me to imagine us settlig for a draw at the Emirates when arsenal were there for the taking, or taking off Gerrard and Torres with the score 1-1 at Wigan.

I think that this is all part of the basecamp theory, Mick.  To truly win the thing you need to know how to win it and that comes from experience not theory.  Our experience during the run-in last year, where we picked a settled side and watched the good results flood in, must have convinced Rafa to tone down the styling substantially from the off this season.  Likewise, I think that our experience with home draws as well as our experience playing more expansive football successfully of late will convince Rafa next season that we need to be looking to really go after the lesser lights of the league, especially at Anfield.

No one knows what next year will bring so I don't know if we can say that the league will be harder to win next year than this.  What we do know is that the lads and Rafa now have the experience of a genuine title challenge under their belts and that can only serve them well going into next year.  The big key for me, though, is who we buy this summer.  We cannot afford another summer like last, with lots of money spent and only Riera to show for it.  If we get cash to spend, it must be on someone that fits our system, our style of play and that adds genuine quality.

[GYBS]

nobody in particular, the point is many said we can not compete with teams that can go out and spend 30 million on players, the teams always mention are chelsea and man utd, we beat both twice in the league this season, I pointed out before its nothing but an excuse when we don't perform well and the fact we are sat between these two teams having beat both shows it's not the cost of the player but the quality of the player

peewee is saynig cheatski and manure are the ones with the 30mill players, not us, hes paying liverpool a compliment!

well put peewee

but its the team with the 30 millions pound players that is above us at the moment .

[dawson99]

..but not playing better right now, or since new year really

[GYBS]

but through experince they have gained over the years can grind out results also having that extra little bit of creativity that we lack sometimes .

[bunglemark2]

I'm inclined to agree with Bigmick. Taking 14 points off the top three doesn't happen every year and this really should have set us up to collect more against the minnows, esp. a fortress anfield.....
Can't see a repeat of those results next year, but we live and hope...

[Alex G.]

nobody in particular, the point is many said we can not compete with teams that can go out and spend 30 million on players, the teams always mention are chelsea and man utd, we beat both twice in the league this season, I pointed out before its nothing but an excuse when we don't perform well and the fact we are sat between these two teams having beat both shows it's not the cost of the player but the quality of the player

If you got 5 30 million players you can rotate them and win the world clubs championship, the charity shield, the carling cup, reach the semifinals of FA cup and Champions league and lead the Premier league with a game in hand.

If you got 2 20 million players in a good first eleven and a poor bench, you can only compete for one trophy at the end of the season.

[mkingdom]

Unless I missed a few weeks, I'm pretty sure we still have a chance of winning the title this year.

Manure have a big fixture pile up over the next few weeks, which will test their squad.  I think it is next week (or the week after) when they play City and Wigan in the space of 3 days.  On paper you would expect Manure to pick up 6 points, but they are not playing well....just somehow getting results, and they could easily lose or draw one of those games IMO.  Then we'd see them get very nervy.

If we don't win the league, then we should kick ourselves.  We *should* have won it this year, with points to spare.

We've proved we are good enough this year, and if we can't complete the job this year, then hopefully next season will be ours.

I am getting so sick and tired of the manure w@nk fest all over the media etc.

How on earth Giggs made it into the "team of the year" in midfield over Alonso is an absolute joke.

This aura of b0llocks around manure affects referees, as we saw with yet another penalty sparking their comeback on Sunday.

I'm praying we nick it this year..we still can....and I really hope manure don't win the CL.  Unbearable.

We have been the form team in the EPL for the past 4 weeks, and look to be finishing the season well.  Our first team is as good as any other, but I wonder where all these wonder kids rafa's been signing are to bolster our squad.  We need more strength in depth for our first team, and to remove the weak elements like Lucas and Babel.

I have a horrid feeling that Utd will draw level at 18 titles, and next year we will have to do anything to win the league to put us in front again.

[DrPepe]

Man Utd: Fell out of the blocks, were quite happy to give us a start, went to play in the World Club Champs in mid season and in so doing didn't play for a couple of weeks which presented us with an opportunity to build a huge lead. As previously mentioned, an aging team with a distracted Ronaldo, plenty of injuries and contesting five trophies.

how does going to the World club thingy "present us with the opportunity" to get a lead  unless they were not able to maintain their form when they came back?

in fact after their return their form improved so that trip in no way can be classed as a "lost opportunity" by us

All of the facts suggest  this manc team is just as strong as they were last season

It's  us who have improved 

[Igor Zidane]

Just a little side note here . THe season isn't over yet and we are in with a chance of winning it . So m yquestion is really ,wlll your opening arguements Pee , still stack up if by some miracle we win the league.

We have seen improvement this season, we have also seen too many draws this season (again), we have seen amazing performances, we have seen some of the most dire performances I have seen the reds involved in, we have seen we have the ability to challenge when we actually play football as it should be played, we have seen competitors falter, we have seen us fail to take advantage by being too careful, we have seen us weaken our team for many games, we have seen some players are not good enough and we have seen some players that many believed were not good enough prove their worth, we have seen the beauty that is torres and the clogger that is dirk, we have seen boardroom battles played out in the press which should never happen. we have shown that having 5 30 million quid players does not give any guarantees so lets put that excuse to bed, we have seen a player used as a political pawn, we have seen one of the younger guys prove he is worth a place (Insua). We have seen our captain in court, we have seen delays on the new stadium, we have seen another excuse put to rest that the owners are to blame for poor football, if they are to blame for that then they now need credit for us being second etc etc etc

Seriously all that will mean zilch to 99% of fans if we win it .

[stmichael]

We have obviously progressed very well in the league this season but I suppose the argument is what does that get you? Nothing. It doesn't always work out that you see a trend continued from season to season. Remember at the end of the 05/06 season when we had ammassed 82 points? We were all very optimistic and then regressed.

Just because we have pushed the Mancs all the way this season doesn't really mean anything ahead of next year. Arsenal had a great season in the league last year and have regressed this season, as another example.

[Judge]

but through experince they have gained over the years can grind out results also having that extra little bit of creativity that we lack sometimes .

getting a penalty from the ref helps

[GYBS]

well thats just one goal and one game mate . season is a lot longer than that .

[112-1077774096]

Just a little side note here . THe season isn't over yet and we are in with a chance of winning it . So m yquestion is really ,wlll your opening arguements Pee , still stack up if by some miracle we win the league.

We have seen improvement this season, we have also seen too many draws this season (again), we have seen amazing performances, we have seen some of the most dire performances I have seen the reds involved in, we have seen we have the ability to challenge when we actually play football as it should be played, we have seen competitors falter, we have seen us fail to take advantage by being too careful, we have seen us weaken our team for many games, we have seen some players are not good enough and we have seen some players that many believed were not good enough prove their worth, we have seen the beauty that is torres and the clogger that is dirk, we have seen boardroom battles played out in the press which should never happen. we have shown that having 5 30 million quid players does not give any guarantees so lets put that excuse to bed, we have seen a player used as a political pawn, we have seen one of the younger guys prove he is worth a place (Insua). We have seen our captain in court, we have seen delays on the new stadium, we have seen another excuse put to rest that the owners are to blame for poor football, if they are to blame for that then they now need credit for us being second etc etc etc

Seriously all that will mean zilch to 99% of fans if we win it .

they are not arguments mate, just a few points about our season that will remain valid if we win the league,