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[woof woof !]

For f'ucks sake, maybe I need a kick in my ageing head !

There I was thinking we'd achieved a great result by beating Real Madrid on there own patch only to find I was f'ucking mistaken

All we've done is win an away game to a team who would be also rans in the premiership 

Nothing like a dose of reality from the forums "experts" to remind me that tonights result was no more special than away win at some mid table prem team.

Thanks lads, I was getting dazzled by the shine on tonights win, thank f'uck you took the gloss off it.

[red_guy]

great result... can't wait for the home leg. Good job to the lads...and the gaffer.

[bigmick]

For f'ucks sake, maybe I need a kick in my ageing head !

There I was thinking we'd achieved a great result by beating Real Madrid on there own patch only to find I was f'ucking mistaken

All we've done is win an away game to a team who would be also rans in the premiership 

Nothing like a dose of reality from the forums "experts" to remind me that tonights result was no more special than away win at some mid table prem team.

Thanks lads, I was getting dazzled by the shine on tonights win, thank f'uck you took the gloss off it.

Woof it was a famous win, I don't think anyone is seriously disputing that. Wherever real Madrid would come in the Premiership isn't relevent to how difficult it is to go there in the last 16 of the Champions League, the knock out stage, and win the first leg 1-0.

Also, wherever they would come in the Premiership is not only irrelevent, it's also something which is totally unproveable either way. It's just an opinion, John voiced it, I afree with him FWIW and some don't. It doesn't mean that our achievement in winning there is diminished.

The very best part about the win as far as I'm concerned anyway, if that IMHo it makes us going through practically a certainty. Now we can properly concentrate on winning our next two league games before we play the Mancs. They on the other hand are not quite so certain to go through against Inter (although I think they will) and what with their Carling Cup final at the weekend and the like, it might just work against them.

To be fair to John though, and I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think he is a paid up member of the "anti Rafa" club in any case. It's not like it's me or Peewee talking about Madrid, it's someone who's actually impartial. Anyways, like I say it's just an opinion but it was still a top performance.

[Bad Bob]

Rafa ALWAYS pulls a big one out of the bag in Europe when we are struggling on the homefront

Consumate European performance. We are the best in the business when it comes to that type of display.

What's that now? Wins in the;

San Siro
Nou Camp
Bernabau

Aren't they the three toughest places to play in Europe?

I'd throw the draw at the Stadio Del Alpi in for good measure, mate...NO ONE expected us to grind out the result we needed against Juve on their own patch.  Without Steven Gerrard, I might add.

Made up with our performance tonight but not even remotely surprised.  Rafa and the lads simply know how to get the job done in these kinds of environments on these big European nights.  Top quality performance and very, very disciplined.  They hardly created a chance worthy of note all night.  I was ready for the onslaught for the last ten minutes, but after they blew the free kick from the Riera handball, it never materialized. 

I thought both Aurelio and Benayoun were outstanding tonight and that's fantastic to see.  Aurelio's often been considered nothing special by many, probably because he's injured a lot, but I think he's shown in patches this season what he's capable of...stay fit lad.  As for Benayoun, he is the ONLY squad player, IMO, that's been working his n.uts off to give Rafa a selection problem.  He's been playing well for a few weeks now and I'm pleased to see it.  He never quite reaches that level of the truly audacious that Garcia could in his best moments but, of late, he's been the creative hub for us in and around the box.  Keep it up, son.

[bigmick]

As for Benayoun, he is the ONLY squad player, IMO, that's been working his n.uts off to give Rafa a selection problem.  He's been playing well for a few weeks now and I'm pleased to see it.  He never quite reaches that level of the truly audacious that Garcia could in his best moments but, of late, he's been the creative hub for us in and around the box.  Keep it up, son.

The original "hungry Cheetah" you might say Bob  . I'll bet the Babelians wish that their man showed a bit of Yossi's verve sometimes  .

[Bad Bob]

As for Benayoun, he is the ONLY squad player, IMO, that's been working his n.uts off to give Rafa a selection problem.  He's been playing well for a few weeks now and I'm pleased to see it.  He never quite reaches that level of the truly audacious that Garcia could in his best moments but, of late, he's been the creative hub for us in and around the box.  Keep it up, son.

The original "hungry Cheetah" you might say Bob  . I'll bet the Babelians wish that their man showed a bit of Yossi's verve sometimes  .

Yossi "the hungry cheetah" Benayoun just doesn't quite have the right ring to it, mate, but he's indeed the prototype (at long last, one has emerged ).  Don't get me started on Babel, though.  No shock that we had real trouble holding onto the ball once Torres came off.  Nothing stuck when the ball went forward for a good 10 minutes after the substitution.  Ah well, I'm sure he'll make a fine hip hop artist.   

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For f'ucks sake, maybe I need a kick in my ageing head !

There I was thinking we'd achieved a great result by beating Real Madrid on there own patch only to find I was f'ucking mistaken

All we've done is win an away game to a team who would be also rans in the premiership 

Nothing like a dose of reality from the forums "experts" to remind me that tonights result was no more special than away win at some mid table prem team.

Thanks lads, I was getting dazzled by the shine on tonights win, thank f'uck you took the gloss off it.

Woof it was a famous win, I don't think anyone is seriously disputing that. Wherever real Madrid would come in the Premiership isn't relevent to how difficult it is to go there in the last 16 of the Champions League, the knock out stage, and win the first leg 1-0.

Also, wherever they would come in the Premiership is not only irrelevent, it's also something which is totally unproveable either way. It's just an opinion, John voiced it, I afree with him FWIW and some don't. It doesn't mean that our achievement in winning there is diminished.

The very best part about the win as far as I'm concerned anyway, if that IMHo it makes us going through practically a certainty. Now we can properly concentrate on winning our next two league games before we play the Mancs. They on the other hand are not quite so certain to go through against Inter (although I think they will) and what with their Carling Cup final at the weekend and the like, it might just work against them.

To be fair to John though, and I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think he is a paid up member of the "anti Rafa" club in any case. It's not like it's me or Peewee talking about Madrid, it's someone who's actually impartial. Anyways, like I say it's just an opinion but it was still a top performance.

How dare you?   

Rafa is a legend and in no way does he ever get it wrong, and madrid are the bestest team in the world and we went there and stuffed them   


now if only we could do that against the might of wigan and stoke etc   


seriously though, i said earlier, it was a great result tonight, but if anything is shows how unnecessary all our draws have been this season, we have shown this season we have the capability to beat the top teams, yet we f*ck it up against the lesser teams because rafa has built a squad that is not good enough, and changes weaken the team to the extent that we can't beat sh!te when he rests key players

[Greavesie]

now if only we could do that against the might of wigan and stoke etc   

[metalhead]

WE BEAT REAL MADRID AT THE BERNABEU!!!


YEEEEEEEEEEEEEH

 

[Judge]

a thread not started by bernestein has produced a victory - thanks to me

a great win, so great in fact that we have another thread on it ?

[Owzat]

I think last night summed up the problem with Rafa in charge and the season

- we can win in one of the hardest places to go, the Bernie Inn, but can't beat a mid-table side who have poor away form at HOME, when we needed to at that.

- the game wasn't great, we weren't creating chance after chance, and scraped a 1-0 away win

- we get lifted by a great result and brought back down to earth very shortly after, except I can't get lifted by this result because I'd swap it with the Citeh home result without a second thought.


So far this season we've beaten Man Utd (home), Chelsea (away), Chelsea (home), Real Madrid (away), bitters (away) and Man City (away), with some good draws away to villa, Arsenal and probably some other good results that I'll not include as being maybe a lower level of achievement. BUT we've failed to beat Fulham (home), Stoke (home), West Ham (home), Man City (home), Wigan (away), bitters (home, twice), Hull (home), Stoke (away) etc etc etc. Does anyone really see it being any different next season? We can beat top sides one week, lose away to relegation bound sides the next.

Maybe last night's result was set up because Rafa didn't need to win the leg, Real Madrid didn't take command of it and we would have taken 0-0.

[Owzat]

FFs we beat real madrid at their place and people just want to talk about him leaving on the radio . sh ite stirring media started all thise off

Would you swap the Real Madrid result with Citeh (home) ? We'd have taken 0-0 and called it a solid performance, the goal just makes it a bit harder for Real Madrid and a bit easier for us. Cracking result to win at the Bernie Inn, but one result doesn't make a season "all better".

It's hard for me to get excited about the result last night given the past couple of months. The competition is set up for his approach, his record is good for Liverpool in two-legged ties. In the knock-out stages of the CL alone he has a record of (ties) P10 W8 L2. But the telling statistic is the actual results of (games) P20 W11 D4 L5. So some Liverpool fans, realising that winning games is the key to winning the Premiership, are going to want a manager with a better record than winning just over half his games. We've scored just 27 goals in those 20 games, conceded 16.

Maybe people shouldn't put dampeners on a good/great/fantastic/best ever, or whatever you want to call it, result last night, but there is a bigger picture. Three champions league finals in five seasons would be up there with Real Madrid in 98, 00 and 02, but zero league titles is just the same as everyone except Chelsea and Man Utd who've played in the Premiership in that period. Cup specialism isn't what we really want, I know it's hard to turn down consolation prizes, but perhaps the consolation prize is too distracting because it has a nice big red bow on it

[cpc4eva]

try this link for highlights and yossi's goal


http://vids.myspace.com/index.c....3050714


not the best footage as its mainly long range camera from the stands

but it'll do

[Sabre]

For f'ucks sake, maybe I need a kick in my ageing head !

There I was thinking we'd achieved a great result by beating Real Madrid on there own patch only to find I was f'ucking mistaken

All we've done is win an away game to a team who would be also rans in the premiership 

Nothing like a dose of reality from the forums "experts" to remind me that tonights result was no more special than away win at some mid table prem team.

Thanks lads, I was getting dazzled by the shine on tonights win, thank f'uck you took the gloss off it.

Watch out, you are showing symptoms of happy clappyness and unrealistic views.

You need a dose of reality.

So Woof, when they have to explain you why you are second in the league, they'll tell you that the league is clearly weaker this season, that is, the likes of Aston Villa are not stronger than a few years ago.

But, when you beat Real Madrid, the realistic views will tell you that Real Madrid would struggle to finnish on front of the strong Aston Villa.



Since I have to read the content of my posts are labeled as unrealistic and biased more often than not, I think I'll start labeling other posts too. Because the pattern is clear, minimize any success with a lot of buts (I haven't read Owzat's las post but I'd bet is a lot of "buts") and maximize any mistake. That's reality and impartiality around here Woof.

[kazza]

Raffa has made us one of the most feared teams in Europe, how is that not progress? Team always looked under control in this match. Although Real are not the team they were a few years ago they have won a lot of football matches in a row and were full of confidence. A very good performance by the lads, made us proud. Should not get too excited however as we still got a way to go before being crowned champions of Europe.