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[tubby]

If buying Barry means 20 mil and another Summer of bullshit, then no way.

As for letting Mascherano go, I agree, he's very over rated, but he does contribute even if he is a one trick pony. I'd be reluctant to see him gone at the mo.

I don't think midfield is our immediate problem. Attack and defence need to be strengthened.

He is in hsi last year of contract so the price will be around 8 mIL.

[GYBS]

still think we should use that 8 million elsewhere and not on barry - just cant see where can improve us . he plays as a dm and we already have two players far better than him in that position . selling masher or xabi to bring in barry would be a step backwards in my mind.

[only me]

And if we really need the money release Mash - at the risk of being ripped to pieces, over rated in my opinion - from an Argentinian i don't need passion and heart i need quality with the ball.

Great. I'll pass that onto Rafa next time I see him. I'm sure he'll call you and you can discuss the issue one to one.

Actuellly what we really need is another man next to Rafa which focus on scouting and players picking - Rafa is a total mess in this department - so you can ask Rafa to get some help, next time you meet him.

[GYBS]

And if we really need the money release Mash - at the risk of being ripped to pieces, over rated in my opinion - from an Argentinian i don't need passion and heart i need quality with the ball.

Great. I'll pass that onto Rafa next time I see him. I'm sure he'll call you and you can discuss the issue one to one.

Actuellly what we really need is another man next to Rafa which focus on scouting and players picking - Rafa is a total mess in this department - so you can ask Rafa to get some help, next time you meet him.

Really ? how do you come to that conclusion then ?

[tonyeh]

still think we should use that 8 million elsewhere and not on barry - just cant see where can improve us . he plays as a dm and we already have two players far better than him in that position . selling masher or xabi to bring in barry would be a step backwards in my mind.

Jesus!...put the kettle on...I think we're in agreement!   

[tubby]

And if we really need the money release Mash - at the risk of being ripped to pieces, over rated in my opinion - from an Argentinian i don't need passion and heart i need quality with the ball.

Great. I'll pass that onto Rafa next time I see him. I'm sure he'll call you and you can discuss the issue one to one.

Actuellly what we really need is another man next to Rafa which focus on scouting and players picking - Rafa is a total mess in this department - so you can ask Rafa to get some help, next time you meet him.

Really ? how do you come to that conclusion then ?

Id agree partially on that. He has made some bad buys. Maybe he can nab some of Wengers scouts. 

[Wintersleep]

And if we really need the money release Mash - at the risk of being ripped to pieces, over rated in my opinion - from an Argentinian i don't need passion and heart i need quality with the ball.

Great. I'll pass that onto Rafa next time I see him. I'm sure he'll call you and you can discuss the issue one to one.

Actuellly what we really need is another man next to Rafa which focus on scouting and players picking - Rafa is a total mess in this department - so you can ask Rafa to get some help, next time you meet him.

I remember reading somewhere that rafa has something like 70 odd scouts with infomation on most players. And didnt rafa sign Torres, Alonso, Masch and Reina...world class players that form the spine of our team.

[GYBS]

And if we really need the money release Mash - at the risk of being ripped to pieces, over rated in my opinion - from an Argentinian i don't need passion and heart i need quality with the ball.

Great. I'll pass that onto Rafa next time I see him. I'm sure he'll call you and you can discuss the issue one to one.

Actuellly what we really need is another man next to Rafa which focus on scouting and players picking - Rafa is a total mess in this department - so you can ask Rafa to get some help, next time you meet him.

Really ? how do you come to that conclusion then ?

Id agree partially on that. He has made some bad buys. Maybe he can nab some of Wengers scouts. 

the same scouts that have players playing in a team ebhind us ??

Rafas good buys outweigh his bad boys by a lot .

[GYBS]

still think we should use that 8 million elsewhere and not on barry - just cant see where can improve us . he plays as a dm and we already have two players far better than him in that position . selling masher or xabi to bring in barry would be a step backwards in my mind.

Jesus!...put the kettle on...I think we're in agreement!   

the forum will now go into meltdown

[only me]

And if we really need the money release Mash - at the risk of being ripped to pieces, over rated in my opinion - from an Argentinian i don't need passion and heart i need quality with the ball.

Great. I'll pass that onto Rafa next time I see him. I'm sure he'll call you and you can discuss the issue one to one.

Actuellly what we really need is another man next to Rafa which focus on scouting and players picking - Rafa is a total mess in this department - so you can ask Rafa to get some help, next time you meet him.

Really ? how do you come to that conclusion then ?

Simple his track record is poor - if we take Torres out of the picture as he was already a world wide prooven striker - what else do you have? Keane ,Babel ,Dossena ,Dagen ,Aurellio ,Arbeloa...His new "prospects" Lucas ,El-Zaher ,Ngong - do you believe they have the potential for being leading premiership players? What about the players he released? Veronin and Crouch were more then ok and delivered on a constant level yet he kicked them out...

You just don't see the talents which you find in Arsenal and Manu - those young players which a good scouting system can find and sign.

[DrPepe]

And if we really need the money release Mash - at the risk of being ripped to pieces, over rated in my opinion - from an Argentinian i don't need passion and heart i need quality with the ball.

Great. I'll pass that onto Rafa next time I see him. I'm sure he'll call you and you can discuss the issue one to one.

Actuellly what we really need is another man next to Rafa which focus on scouting and players picking - Rafa is a total mess in this department - so you can ask Rafa to get some help, next time you meet him.

Really ? how do you come to that conclusion then ?

Simple his track record is poor - if we take Torres out of the picture as he was already a world wide prooven striker - what else do you have? Keane ,Babel ,Dossena ,Dagen ,Aurellio ,Arbeloa...His new "prospects" Lucas ,El-Zaher ,Ngong - do you believe they have the potential for being leading premiership players? What about the players he released? Veronin and Crouch were more then ok and delivered on a constant level yet he kicked them out...

You just don't see the talents which you find in Arsenal and Manu - those young players which a good scouting system can find and sign.

I do agree to an extent, but let's not overplay how good Wenger is (same applies to manu) - after all he bought the expensive misfit Reyes and also that 10m (at 2001 prices!!!) on that masterful fox-in-the-box Fran Jeffers 

arshavin? no one had heard of this guy before Wenger's amazing  scouting system uncovered him 

walcott, ramsay - these 2  had been discussed ad nauseum as the next big things

[GYBS]

And if we really need the money release Mash - at the risk of being ripped to pieces, over rated in my opinion - from an Argentinian i don't need passion and heart i need quality with the ball.

Great. I'll pass that onto Rafa next time I see him. I'm sure he'll call you and you can discuss the issue one to one.

Actuellly what we really need is another man next to Rafa which focus on scouting and players picking - Rafa is a total mess in this department - so you can ask Rafa to get some help, next time you meet him.

Really ? how do you come to that conclusion then ?

Simple his track record is poor - if we take Torres out of the picture as he was already a world wide prooven striker - what else do you have? Keane ,Babel ,Dossena ,Dagen ,Aurellio ,Arbeloa...His new "prospects" Lucas ,El-Zaher ,Ngong - do you believe they have the potential for being leading premiership players? What about the players he released? Veronin and Crouch were more then ok and delivered on a constant level yet he kicked them out...

You just don't see the talents which you find in Arsenal and Manu - those young players which a good scouting system can find and sign.

keane - yes but was only here for 6 months and was proven before he arrived .

Aurelio- on a free and managed to keep ronaldo quiet and has played very well this season - off form last two games

Arbeloa - solid right back who we got for a couple million

Dossena - poor start defensively but has improved and will get another season

El Zhar - back up nothing more - we cant afford 20 million pouind back ups

Ngog- has lots of pace , very young lad , scored a few goals and cant be judged on this season .

lucas- improving all the time


Crouch - HE CHOSE TO LEAVE WASNT FORCED TO LEAVE

Voronin- when did he do anything on a consisten basis


Man Utd Youngsters- all costing over 10 odd million

Arsenal Youngsters- where are they in the league again ?

[tubby]

How about Henry who was nothing more than a bench warmer at Juve? Or Toure who was a striker first. No one is disputing Wenger made bad buys, every manager makes bad buys. But he has made more good buys than bad. I dont think the same ratio can be used to describe Rafas overall buys.

[GYBS]

How about Henry who was nothing more than a bench warmer at Juve? Or Toure who was a striker first. No one is disputing Wenger made bad buys, every manager makes bad buys. But he has made more good buys than bad. I dont think the same ratio can be used to describe Rafas overall buys.

But was henry really got scouting ? destroyed man utd as a teenager at monaco then was excellent during the 98 world cup but was played out of position at juve and then wenger spent 10 million on him .

I would suggest the amount of good buys to bad buys throught the top managers is pretty much the same .

[tubby]

Probably yes you are right. But look at it this way. Before Rafa arrived we only had 2 players that we could rely on for goals. Owen and Gerrard. Owen left so we were left with Gerrard. Now we have just Torres and Gerrard. We should have more players that we can look to for goals after all this time.