RedEire wrote:We cannot keep returning to Istanbul as a defense to Rafas' brilliance. It was a great achievement and something that will remain part of LFC history forever. However, it is now that we want Rafa to show his brilliance. The Premiership is the one that all the players want and the one the fans want.
We have to play the best players for every game. That necessarily does not mean playing them all in the preferred positions. Dossena is a liability - worse than Djimi Traore. We have an excellent player with Agger who could easily adapt to left back or Arbeloa could play left back (as he has done in past) and play Agger with Hyypia in middle and put Carra out right.
Either that or give Insua a chance - he could not be any worse than Dossena.
However are we again seeing Rafa trying to demonstrate "I'm the boss" policy where players are being left on the bench because of they want to play more and have said so in the press.
I firmly believe that we will not win PL and the sole reason is that (a) we are not playing a best 11 every game and (b) Rafa is too concerned with tactics and adapting the style of football to nullify opposition instead of just letting his team play football and letting the opposition worry about us.
Rafa whinges to the press when a team comes to Anfield and defends deep, and now he is complaining that yesterdays game was too open in the first half and his obvious tactics of holding midfield/lone striker were once again not right.
Owzat wrote:Rafa's use of subs is poor and too predictable, not that starting with Mascherano and Alonso is a brilliant strategy at home against a side we need to be beating. His buys are rather hit and miss, the 'sly dig' at Kuyt aside there are mostly valid points made. I don't agree Rafa is a great tactician, he tends to try and out-tactic the opposition when often putting out our best side should be enough and he trips himself up. Yesterday Phil Brown had him stumped, although our defenders let the side down. If he is so great tactically then why do we draw too many games, nearly a quarter of all games under Rafa, and we've relied on comebacks a lot this season which also indicates either his starting tactics aren't good enough or the players aren't. So Gerrard, Alonso, Torres, Carragher, Reina, Mascherano, Riera etc aren't good enough? If that is so then how come I don't see many suggestions to sell them? Usually it's the soft targets like Kuyt, Babel, Lucas, Dossena etc who get scapegoated, apparently some think we'll raise enough by selling our unwanted "rubbish" to buy a quality player or two Like any top club would come in for them or smaller clubs could pay what we'd want or need to do so
Riera as a possible exception, has Rafa signed anyone in the summer who's made an impact? £40m spent and not much to show for it, it is now when wise spending could have made a difference instead of half of it sitting on the bench watching us draw 2-2 at home to Hull.
Here's a statistic a lot on here won't like : We've drawn three or more home games in a row in the Premiership on FOUR occaisions. Every time previously the mancs have won the Premiership and the previous two occaisions are seasons we've enjoyed unbeaten starts. I believe the last (only?) time the mancs played in the Club World Championship they came back and won the league
93/94 : 3 in a row - Swindon 2-2, Wimbledon 1-1, Man Utd 3-3
And the unbeaten starts :-
02/03 : 5 in a row - Bitters 1-1, Blackburn 1-1, Aston Villa 1-1, Arsenal 2-2, Middlesboro1-1
07/08 : 3 in a row - Birmingham 0-0, Tottenham 2-2, Arsenal 1-1
08/09 : 3 in a row - Fulham 0-0, West Ham 0-0, Hull 2-2
Rafa has had more success than Houllier, at least the Champions League win, Runners-up and the FA Cup win plus finishing with a Liverpool Premiership record 82 points outdoes anything Houllier won - although we did finish Runners-Up under Houllier with two points less. But Rafa has had shedloads of money, three signings costing over £18m and a hatful of £10m+ signings
£10m+ signings
Evans (0) - n/a
Houllier (3) - Heskey £11m, Diouf £10m, Cisse £14m (never got to use him!)
Rafa (6) - Alonso £10.5m, Kuyt £10m, Babel £11.5m, Mascherano £18.6m, Torres £21m, Keane £20.3m
I would think given that advantage in funds that Rafa could have managed more than 5th, 3rd, 3rd and 4th if he was good enough to make a title challenge. Maybe the problem with some on here is they will always harp back to the Champions League in Rafa's first season. It was great, but Rafa can't live off that forever in the same way the same people will say you can't judge Rafa on his first season in terms of league results. Besides that, wasn't he brought in to win the Premiership and not the odd cup no matter how big or small that cup is?
I've heard the old story about the mancs and Chelsea having spent more money and that as an excuse for us not challenging. But we've probably spent more money than Hull, Fulham, Stoke and West Ham put together, yet we didn't beat any of them AT HOME. We've taken three points off the mancs, three points off Chelsea and then dropped EIGHT points to sides of whom two are newly promoted and another was nearly relegated last season. We're just about punching above our weight thanks to some good comebacks and beating 'big four' rivals, but we can't stay at the top without beating the rest of the teams regularly. Three drawn home games in a row isn't good enough, it doesn't even include an Arsenal, Chelsea or Man Utd. Even when we have been top it hasn't been by much, come this evening we could be nervously looking over our shoulders at the mancs and fearing the worst when we go to the Emirates.
kazza wrote:At half time in Istanbul I am curious what you thought, odds are it was something along the lines of "we will lose 5-0"
RedEire wrote:I firmly believe that we will not win PL and the sole reason is that (a) we are not playing a best 11 every game and (b) Rafa is too concerned with tactics and adapting the style of football to nullify opposition instead of just letting his team play football and letting the opposition worry about us.
JBG wrote:Fo Dne wrote:Right, well I'll start by saying that I think its a good time to change.
It pretty much went down hill from here.....
We are top of the league and you want to replace the manager?
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