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[Greavesie]

Cmon, lets not get carried away and try and make out that Rafa was innocent in all this!
To be honest he would have had no gripes if he had been sacked by a decent board at any of the top clubs

I'm not making out he is innocent, I probably would have chucked him n all truth be known but look at the state of the club, we dont have decent board do we. The future of this club is shrouded with uncertainty and today it just got a little bit darker

[Penguins]

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Hopefully all of the sh!te going on behind the scenes will be exposed now. Even those celebrating his departure might be able to comprehend where others have been coming from. I've no doubt we will improve on last seasons 7th finish and people will probably use that to justify his exit but there you go

Let's work hard and get rid of the vermin

Cmon, lets not get carried away and try and make out that Rafa was innocent in all this!
To be honest he would have had no gripes if he had been sacked by a decent board at any of the top clubs

We all thank him for some great memories and wish him all the best for the future
BUT, just like GH he'd ran out of ideas and was taking us backwards
And just like GH he needed pushing because he would have never walked away.[/quote]
I still believe there is significant differences between Rafa and GH.

GH brought it upon himself to 95% to get the sack.
He was backed in the transfer market in his last season pretty well, but didn't bring in 1 single player that improved the 1st 11.

Instead he wasted enourmous amounts on Diouf, Cisse, Cheyrou, Diao, Le Tallec and they were all very poor.

Rafa hasn't been backed but instead had to sell players to buy new ones.

GH never made successful buys like Alonso, Torres etc that trippled in value but instead bought much **** that dropped alarminly in value.

And Rafa wasn't backed better than GH overall even though 10 years past in time and players became more expensive!
Or the fact that new rivals liek Chelski and City came along spending enourmous amounts, something GH never had to deal with.

[tubby]

whoever gets the job is only likely to have a summer transfer budget of £10-15m"

Says it all really. If this is true then it will only be a matter of time before Torres, Gerrard and Masch leave. I mean that won't even get 1 decent player let alone 4 or 5 that we need.

[Greavesie]

Saint would say that he thinks we should be able to challenge with the team we have, probably bar a striker. I hope he's right

[tubby]

Saint would say that he thinks we should be able to challenge with the team we have, probably bar a striker. I hope he's right

I don't see how he can say that when practically all our best players have been saying the opposite mate.

[Penguins]

Well, Saint thinks King Kenny will make us a title winning side, least forget it was 10 years ago he managed any side...

Says it all really that Rafa accepted 3 million when he was entitled to 16 million...

GH did exactly the same.... NOT

[teamleader1]

Cmon, lets not get carried away and try and make out that Rafa was innocent in all this!
To be honest he would have had no gripes if he had been sacked by a decent board at any of the top clubs

I'm not making out he is innocent, I probably would have chucked him n all truth be known but look at the state of the club, we dont have decent board do we. The future of this club is shrouded with uncertainty and today it just got a little bit darker

I agree 100% about the state of the club and I would have been over the moon if it was them pair of pryks going today instead.
But I believe Rafa had to go to keep the likes of Torres and SG at the club
We were going nowhere fast under him.

[7_Kewell]

Well, Saint thinks King Kenny will make us a title winning side, least forget it was 10 years ago he managed any side...

Says it all really that Rafa accepted 3 million when he was entitled to 16 million...

GH did exactly the same.... NOT

i wouldn't want to see King Kenny in charage anymore than i would like to see Ian Rush play 50 games up front for us next season.

Both are legends, but their time has passed.

[Penguins]

That is where we differ as I believe Torres and Gerrards future is more linked to the ownership situation than the situation with Rafa.
Torres and Gerrard will leave regardless of Rafa if the club does nothing this summer.

[RedorDead]

My first post in nearly two years, I still check in every now and then though....anyway what has caused me to put pen to paper...erm finger to key? Whatever....of course the reason I'm posting is Rafa's departure.
I don't profress to know the ins and outs like some on here, I am just a life long fan who is now sh!t scared that the club I love is about to enter it's darkest ever period.
I think Rafa is a great manager but he clearly lost the players through the course of last season. He seemed to lose some of his own confidence and one or two shocking decisions cost us dear. The club is better now then when he took over and we have a very talented squad missing 2-3 key players and with that in mind last season's 7th place was frankly unforgiveable. I guess what I'm getting at is despite his obvious talent and genuine affection for the supporters and the club I'm not sorry to see him go.
Having said that my worry and fear is nothing to do with Rafa's departure, that has just brought it to a head, my fear comes from the fact that our two American owners are still here and making big decisions like this today. They have behaved dispicably since they took over. The new stadium has gone from keys in the ignition of the bulldozers to a distant dream, they have leaked stories time after time and humiliated Rafa on more than one occasion. He acted with dignity, something the Yanks have no idea about.
My fear now is that they don't sell the club for the ridiculous fee that they are asking and decide on a cheap option of a manager who will be given a paltry transfer kitty. On seeing this Gerrard will head to Real Madrid and Torres will follow him out with the £70 million we make from them going straight to the banks to pay off our loans.....7th will soon be 17th if something isn't done.
My only hope is that this summer we get a buyer....why is noone coming in? Why aren't DIC back? Is the most successful, presitigious club in English history not an attractive commodity? I hope someone comes in and appoints a top manager quickly, a Hiddink or O'Neil and we then keep our best players and start to build a squad that can challenge at the top again. It's been too long since we won the league.
I remember when United won the first of their many titles under Ferguson, the fans had been waiting 26 years for a title....I used to laugh at that....we're looking odds on to have a longer barren spell than that now and it guts me. I just hope this gets sorted soon.

[NANNY RED]

Benitez has gone, all are troubles are over, fook me it makes you laugh doesnt it that some think this way 

The trouble that lies in wait for us cant even begin to contemplate it ,

[bunglemark2]

My first post in nearly two years, I still check in every now and then though....anyway what has caused me to put pen to paper...erm finger to key? Whatever....of course the reason I'm posting is Rafa's departure.
I don't profress to know the ins and outs like some on here, I am just a life long fan who is now sh!t scared that the club I love is about to enter it's darkest ever period.
I think Rafa is a great manager but he clearly lost the players through the course of last season. He seemed to lose some of his own confidence and one or two shocking decisions cost us dear. The club is better now then when he took over and we have a very talented squad missing 2-3 key players and with that in mind last season's 7th place was frankly unforgiveable. I guess what I'm getting at is despite his obvious talent and genuine affection for the supporters and the club I'm not sorry to see him go.
Having said that my worry and fear is nothing to do with Rafa's departure, that has just brought it to a head, my fear comes from the fact that our two American owners are still here and making big decisions like this today. They have behaved dispicably since they took over. The new stadium has gone from keys in the ignition of the bulldozers to a distant dream, they have leaked stories time after time and humiliated Rafa on more than one occasion. He acted with dignity, something the Yanks have no idea about.
My fear now is that they don't sell the club for the ridiculous fee that they are asking and decide on a cheap option of a manager who will be given a paltry transfer kitty. On seeing this Gerrard will head to Real Madrid and Torres will follow him out with the £70 million we make from them going straight to the banks to pay off our loans.....7th will soon be 17th if something isn't done.
My only hope is that this summer we get a buyer....why is noone coming in? Why aren't DIC back? Is the most successful, presitigious club in English history not an attractive commodity? I hope someone comes in and appoints a top manager quickly, a Hiddink or O'Neil and we then keep our best players and start to build a squad that can challenge at the top again. It's been too long since we won the league.
I remember when United won the first of their many titles under Ferguson, the fans had been waiting 26 years for a title....I used to laugh at that....we're looking odds on to have a longer barren spell than that now and it guts me. I just hope this gets sorted soon.

Good post mate...you must have been brewing a good one for 2 years then....don't leave it so long next time...

[Zidane]

I'm kind of hoping that Kenny does manage us for at least one season, he might just be the only person that, without funds, can keep a hold onto our star players for just one more year while we get the ownership situation straightened out.

[bunglemark2]

I'm kind of hoping that Kenny does manage us for at least one season, he might just be the only person that, without funds, can keep a hold onto our star players for just one more year while we get the ownership situation straightened out.

He's past it..he's a figurehead or an ambassador for the club externally. Can't see him being a yes-man to those two kuntz....

[teamleader1]

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Hopefully all of the sh!te going on behind the scenes will be exposed now. Even those celebrating his departure might be able to comprehend where others have been coming from. I've no doubt we will improve on last seasons 7th finish and people will probably use that to justify his exit but there you go

Let's work hard and get rid of the vermin

Cmon, lets not get carried away and try and make out that Rafa was innocent in all this!
To be honest he would have had no gripes if he had been sacked by a decent board at any of the top clubs

We all thank him for some great memories and wish him all the best for the future
BUT, just like GH he'd ran out of ideas and was taking us backwards
And just like GH he needed pushing because he would have never walked away.

I still believe there is significant differences between Rafa and GH.

GH brought it upon himself to 95% to get the sack.
He was backed in the transfer market in his last season pretty well, but didn't bring in 1 single player that improved the 1st 11.

Instead he wasted enourmous amounts on Diouf, Cisse, Cheyrou, Diao, Le Tallec and they were all very poor.

Rafa hasn't been backed but instead had to sell players to buy new ones.

GH never made successful buys like Alonso, Torres etc that trippled in value but instead bought much **** that dropped alarminly in value.

And Rafa wasn't backed better than GH overall even though 10 years past in time and players became more expensive!
Or the fact that new rivals liek Chelski and City came along spending enourmous amounts, something GH never had to deal with.[/quote]
I'm comparing them in the fact that they both reached a point of no return.

As supporters we ALL wish the manager of the time has continued success
But just like all our great players, when its time to go, its time to go