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[Owzat]

We've already broken some Premiership records, others bound to follow and even some all time records up for grabs

LIVERPOOL PREMIERSHIP AWAY POINTS

08/09 40 points
01/02 39 points
07/08 34 points (GD +9)
05/06 34 points (GD +8)
96/97 32 points

So a new record away points for the Premiership. Our top flight record overall is 42 points in 1981/82 which we can break, that season was 21 away games. This is only the fourth time we've surpassed 40 away points

LIVERPOOL TOP FLIGHT AWAY RECORDS

81/82 P21 W12 D6 L3 F41 A18 PTS 42
08/09 P18 W12 D4 L2 F34 A14 PTS 40
87/88 P20 W11 D7 L2 F38 A15 PTS 40
46/47 P21 W12 D4 L5 F42 A28 PTS 28*

*in the old two points for a win system, converted it makes 40 points.

Equally, the above table also applies for most away wins, if we win at WBA then it will be the most Liverpool away wins in a top flight season to go with most away points.

Most home wins is 14 in 95/96, most home points is 46 in that season so we can't equal or break those records.

LIVERPOOL MOST PREMIERSHIP POINTS

05/06 82 points (38 games)
08/09 80 points (36 games)
01/02 80 points (38 games)
07/08 76 points (38 games)

Rafa has three of the top four entries, but the Premiership has changed, and more and more points are being picked up by the top sides - perhaps no coincidence the amount of money spent has increased as well. If Liverpool reach 86 points that is a very good total, but the last time that would have been enough to be top or joint top was 02/03

PREMIERSHIP CHAMPIONS

04/05 95 points (38 games)
99/00 91 points (38 games, GD +52)
05/06 91 points (38 games, GD +50)
03/04 90 points (38 games)
06/07 89 points (38 games)
07/08 87 points (38 games)
01/02 87 points (38 games)
02/03 83 points (38 games)

The bar has been raised, 25 wins hasn't been enough to win the Premiership since 02/03

LIVERPOOL MOST PREMIERSHIP WINS

This record can't be broken this season, it can be equalled

05/06 25 wins in 38 games
01/02 24 wins in 38 games
08/09 23 wins in 36 games
07/08 21 wins in 38 games
94/95 21 wins in 42 games

Most wins in a Liverpool top flight season is 30 back in 78/79 - 42 games, 19 home wins, 11 away and 68 points (two points for a win)

LIVERPOOL PREMIERSHIP GOALS SCORED

08/09 72 goals (36 games)
00/01 71 goals (38 games)
95/96 70 goals (38 games)
97/98 68 goals (38 games)
98/99 68 goals (38 games)

Most goals Liverpool scored in the top flight is 92, it would take a miracle to catch that. 72 goals is the most since 90/91 when we made our last serious title challenge and then we scored 77 goals. If we could reach 80 goals it would be the first time since 87/88.

Most away goals overall is 42 in a top flight Liverpool season, it would take 8-0 at the Hawthorns to equal that. 

LIVERPOOL PREMIERSHIP CLEAN SHEETS

Good season that is has been, we haven't been so hot on clean sheets. Nonetheless it should register quite highly in the Premiership list - second if we don't concede in our last two games.

05/06 22 (38 games)
06/07 20 (38 games)
08/09 19 (36 games)
01/02 18 (38 games)
07/08 18 (38 games)
94/95 17 (42 games)

LIVERPOOL LEAST PREMIERSHIP DEFEATS

08/09 2 defeats in 36 games
07/08 4 defeats in 38 games
05/06 6 defeats in 38 games
01/02 6 defeats in 38 games
95/96 7 defeats in 38 games

LIVERPOOL LEAST TOP FLIGHT DEFEATS

87/88 2 defeats in 40 games
08/09 2 defeats in 36 games
78/79 4 defeats in 42 games
07/08 4 defeats in 38 games
75/76 5 defeats in 42 games
89/90 5 defeats in 38 games

IF Liverpool lose no more games this season, it would be only the SEVENTH time a side has lost two or less games in a top flight season.

LEAST TOP FLIGHT DEFEATS

03/04 Arsenal : 0 defeats in 38 games
88/89 Preston NE : 0 defeats in 22 games
90/91 Arsenal : 1 defeat in 38 games
04/05 Chelsea : 1 defeat in 38 games
68/69 Leeds Utd : 2 defeats in 42 games
87/88 LIVERPOOL : 2 defeats in 40 games
08/09 LIVERPOOL 2 defeats in 36 games


Statistically a great season, but perhaps more great for us than it is great overall. The record points in the Premiership is 95, most wins is 29, most Premiership goals scored is 97, most clean sheets is 25 etc. Self improvement is great, but if we want titles then we need to improve to such an extent we best all rivals. We don't need to beat our own record points tally, we need to beat their points tally for the current season (or equal it and win on GD)

[JoeTerp]

LEAST TOP FLIGHT DEFEATS

03/04 Arsenal : 0 defeats in 38 games
88/89 Preston NE : 0 defeats in 22 games
90/91 Arsenal : 1 defeat in 38 games
04/05 Chelsea : 1 defeat in 38 games
68/69 Leeds Utd : 2 defeats in 42 games
87/88 LIVERPOOL : 2 defeats in 40 games
08/09 LIVERPOOL 2 defeats in 36 games[/color]

don't think many people will agree, but I think that stat is incredible. Considering how many seasons of top flight football have been played and how many teams have played in the league every year there has been top flight football, and our campaign is only bettered by 4 campaigns in the country's history and only level with 2 others, one of which was another LFC team. That's crazy.  I know the obvious comeback is to say that "its about winning games, not not losing,"  well its pretty tough to win a game if your losing, and I don't see the team becoming any more vulnerable, only more solid in defense and more lethal in attack

[JoeTerp]

what was our goals scored per game when we scored 92 goals?

[Owzat]

what was our goals scored per game when we scored 92 goals?

LIVERPOOL MOST TOP FLIGHT GOALS

63/64 92 goals in 42 games (2.190 goals/game)
28/29 90 goals in 42 games (2.143 goals/game)
85/86 89 goals in 42 games (2.119 goals/game)
87/88 87 goals in 40 games (2.175 goals/game)
82/83 87 goals in 42 games (2.071 goals/game)

There are 15 other instances of Liverpool scoring 77+ goals in a top flight season, the next highest after 77 is 73.

72 goals in 36 games is 2.000 goals/game

[Owzat]

LEAST TOP FLIGHT DEFEATS

03/04 Arsenal : 0 defeats in 38 games
88/89 Preston NE : 0 defeats in 22 games
90/91 Arsenal : 1 defeat in 38 games
04/05 Chelsea : 1 defeat in 38 games
68/69 Leeds Utd : 2 defeats in 42 games
87/88 LIVERPOOL : 2 defeats in 40 games
08/09 LIVERPOOL 2 defeats in 36 games

don't think many people will agree, but I think that stat is incredible. Considering how many seasons of top flight football have been played and how many teams have played in the league every year there has been top flight football, and our campaign is only bettered by 4 campaigns in the country's history and only level with 2 others, one of which was another LFC team. That's crazy.  I know the obvious comeback is to say that "its about winning games, not not losing,"  well its pretty tough to win a game if your losing, and I don't see the team becoming any more vulnerable, only more solid in defense and more lethal in attack

We have yet to make it the complete season, there are two games to go.

In 110 seasons of top flight football and nearly 90,000 games played, it is a remarkable record - if in fact we don't blow it. I think it makes Arsenal's achievement of 03/04 stand out even more, not Preston's unbeaten 22 games before football had become properly established and the number of games was half what most teams have to play in a season.

It's just a shame we couldn't convert more draws to wins, especially those at home. Just two draws converted to wins would have put us on course for 90 points and really put pressure on the mancs (a draw in any of their remaining games in that scenario would leave them bound for 90 points as well)

[fivecups]

Great information Owzat. I think your last comment is the crux of the problem. We're surpassing some of our own records at the minute but with the polarisation of the Premiership in recent years we have to find a new level in we're going to win the title.

Bad Bob - it might be nice to update the OP at the end of the season and post it in your match info thread. It would tie it off very nicely.

[bigmick]

Not for the first time Owz, a very interesting insight nice one. The stats cause you to look at things in a slightly different way. It's an obvious conclusion from looking at them for instance that whatever anyone says about the draws this season, the negative set-ups and the styling (albeit drastically reduced), we've had a pretty good season to say the least. The players and management deserve huge credit.

The other things which stick out for me from recent Premiership records are twofold. Firstly, it was an absolutely incredible achievement for Wengers Arsenal invincible team to go through the season unbeaten. We've been on our game pretty much all season and have bossed the big four games, but we've still lost two. Unreal when you think about it to go an entire season unbeaten. I remember that team well and it was the bst team that has played in the Premiership IMHO.

The other standout achievement historically is of course Mourinho's Chelsea which gathered up 95 points in his first season in England. It's quite a sobering thought to consider that as well as we've gone this term, we'd be a mile adrift against a team performing like that.

From our point of view though, there's no question that whatever happens, it has been a campaign to be proud of. I still cannot believe either that after all the drama, the thing is about to peter out with a Manc cruise. I'm sticking to my prediction of Citeh putting the sh!ts up the Mancs later on.

[tubby]

These stats might be nice to look at if one is looking for reassurance from some numbers but in reality they mean nothing as the standard is always changing in football. The bar is always being raised. We just need to make sure we do not make the same mistakes we did this year again.

[JoeTerp]

Not for the first time Owz, a very interesting insight nice one. The stats cause you to look at things in a slightly different way. It's an obvious conclusion from looking at them for instance that whatever anyone says about the draws this season, the negative set-ups and the styling (albeit drastically reduced), we've had a pretty good season to say the least. The players and management deserve huge credit.

The other things which stick out for me from recent Premiership records are twofold. Firstly, it was an absolutely incredible achievement for Wengers Arsenal invincible team to go through the season unbeaten. We've been on our game pretty much all season and have bossed the big four games, but we've still lost two. Unreal when you think about it to go an entire season unbeaten. I remember that team well and it was the bst team that has played in the Premiership IMHO.

The other standout achievement historically is of course Mourinho's Chelsea which gathered up 95 points in his first season in England. It's quite a sobering thought to consider that as well as we've gone this term, we'd be a mile adrift against a team performing like that.

From our point of view though, there's no question that whatever happens, it has been a campaign to be proud of. I still cannot believe either that after all the drama, the thing is about to peter out with a Manc cruise. I'm sticking to my prediction of Citeh putting the sh!ts up the Mancs later on.

United would have been on an even better pace if they had done the double over us instead of the other way around. Equally, that Chelsea team would have only been impressive and not AS incredibly standout as they are seen now if we would have done the double on them.  Obviously it can be argued that this United team is just not as outstanding as that 95 point Chelsea team, but it would be hard to completely disprove that the difference was Liverpool being a better challenger

[Madmax]

owzat where the feck do you get these stats from. Feck sakes you good at this shyte you should do it as a job.

[bigmick]

Not for the first time Owz, a very interesting insight nice one. The stats cause you to look at things in a slightly different way. It's an obvious conclusion from looking at them for instance that whatever anyone says about the draws this season, the negative set-ups and the styling (albeit drastically reduced), we've had a pretty good season to say the least. The players and management deserve huge credit.

The other things which stick out for me from recent Premiership records are twofold. Firstly, it was an absolutely incredible achievement for Wengers Arsenal invincible team to go through the season unbeaten. We've been on our game pretty much all season and have bossed the big four games, but we've still lost two. Unreal when you think about it to go an entire season unbeaten. I remember that team well and it was the bst team that has played in the Premiership IMHO.

The other standout achievement historically is of course Mourinho's Chelsea which gathered up 95 points in his first season in England. It's quite a sobering thought to consider that as well as we've gone this term, we'd be a mile adrift against a team performing like that.

From our point of view though, there's no question that whatever happens, it has been a campaign to be proud of. I still cannot believe either that after all the drama, the thing is about to peter out with a Manc cruise. I'm sticking to my prediction of Citeh putting the sh!ts up the Mancs later on.

United would have been on an even better pace if they had done the double over us instead of the other way around. Equally, that Chelsea team would have only been impressive and not AS incredibly standout as they are seen now if we would have done the double on them.  Obviously it can be argued that this United team is just not as outstanding as that 95 point Chelsea team, but it would be hard to completely disprove that the difference was Liverpool being a better challenger

Joe it's one of the reasons why stats will never tell the whole story mate. That Chelsea team had it won with weeks to spare and would have eaten this Manc team for breakfast. They were strong, powerful, miserly in defence and always would get a goal.

I haven't got any stats to prove it, but I am absolutely convinced it is so.

[fivecups]

Not for the first time Owz, a very interesting insight nice one. The stats cause you to look at things in a slightly different way. It's an obvious conclusion from looking at them for instance that whatever anyone says about the draws this season, the negative set-ups and the styling (albeit drastically reduced), we've had a pretty good season to say the least. The players and management deserve huge credit.

The other things which stick out for me from recent Premiership records are twofold. Firstly, it was an absolutely incredible achievement for Wengers Arsenal invincible team to go through the season unbeaten. We've been on our game pretty much all season and have bossed the big four games, but we've still lost two. Unreal when you think about it to go an entire season unbeaten. I remember that team well and it was the bst team that has played in the Premiership IMHO.

The other standout achievement historically is of course Mourinho's Chelsea which gathered up 95 points in his first season in England. It's quite a sobering thought to consider that as well as we've gone this term, we'd be a mile adrift against a team performing like that.

From our point of view though, there's no question that whatever happens, it has been a campaign to be proud of. I still cannot believe either that after all the drama, the thing is about to peter out with a Manc cruise. I'm sticking to my prediction of Citeh putting the sh!ts up the Mancs later on.

United would have been on an even better pace if they had done the double over us instead of the other way around. Equally, that Chelsea team would have only been impressive and not AS incredibly standout as they are seen now if we would have done the double on them.  Obviously it can be argued that this United team is just not as outstanding as that 95 point Chelsea team, but it would be hard to completely disprove that the difference was Liverpool being a better challenger

Joe it's one of the reasons why stats will never tell the whole story mate. That Chelsea team had it won with weeks to spare and would have eaten this Manc team for breakfast. They were strong, powerful, miserly in defence and always would get a goal.

I haven't got any stats to prove it, but I am absolutely convinced it is so.

95 points is an unbelievable return. The mancs have driven me mad this season with 1-0 wins but that Chelsea team were the true masters of the 1-0 - they did it time and time again.

[Owzat]

Chelsea 04/05

Wins : 29. Most in Premiership/38 game top flight season. 31 wins is the overall record
Points : 95. Most in Premiership, most in all top flight seasons (mainly because of the old two points for a win system)
Goals conceded : 15. Fewest conceded in a top flight season
Clean sheets : 25. Bound to be a record of some kind
Defeats : 1. Only two sides have gone unbeaten, one of those in a 22 game season (PNE)
1-0s : 11. Arsenal won the Premiership unbeaten in 03/04 and won only three games 1-0

MOST 1-0s BY PREMIERSHIP CHAMPIONS (38 GAMES)

11 Chelsea 04/05
9 MAN UTD 08/09
8 Man Utd 95/96
7 Arsenal 97/98
5 Man Utd 02/03

By a quick check the mancs have kept 22 clean sheets this season and with three games to go could equal Chelsea from 04/05 - and three 1-0s would best Chelsea's 11 1-0s from 04/05. They may not be breaking any records this season, but their ability to win 1-0 and their clean sheets is what is making it difficult to beat them.

bav - some stats can be used to indicate patterns and help predictions, but these are more for interest - and most people like records/achievements. The fact that we're breaking our own records is surely a good sign though? If we weren't then what you say about the standard changing would only mean we weren't making progress - no? We may need 87+ points to win next season, it will only be harder if our best points tally is only 82. IF we reach 86 points this season, not only is it a record, but a sign we're capable of better than before and that is what is required.

[Owzat]

LIVERPOOL PREMIERSHIP AWAY POINTS

08/09 43 points
01/02 39 points
07/08 34 points (GD +9)
05/06 34 points (GD +8)
96/97 32 points

So a new record away points for top flight record, beating 81/82 which was 21 away games. This is only the fourth time we've surpassed 40 away points

LIVERPOOL TOP FLIGHT AWAY RECORDS

08/09 P19 W13 D4 L2 F36 A14 PTS 43
81/82 P21 W12 D6 L3 F41 A18 PTS 42
87/88 P20 W11 D7 L2 F38 A15 PTS 40
46/47 P21 W12 D4 L5 F42 A28 PTS 28*

*in the old two points for a win system, converted it makes 40 points.

13 Away wins is a new top flight record for Liverpool

LIVERPOOL MOST PREMIERSHIP POINTS

08/09 83 points (37 games)
05/06 82 points (38 games)
01/02 80 points (38 games)
07/08 76 points (38 games)

PREMIERSHIP CHAMPIONS

04/05 95 points (38 games)
99/00 91 points (38 games, GD +52)
05/06 91 points (38 games, GD +50)
03/04 90 points (38 games, GD +47)
06/07 89 points (38 games)
08/09 87 points (37 games, GD +43)
07/08 87 points (38 games)
01/02 87 points (38 games)
02/03 83 points (38 games)

The bar has been raised, 25 wins hasn't been enough to win the Premiership since 02/03. If Man Utd win at Hull, they will equal the fourth highest Premiership points tally, they'd need a few goals to best Arsenal's record in 03/04, even ignoring that season being unbeaten, as Arsenal have a +4 GD advantage and scored 73 goals to Man Utd's 67 so far

LIVERPOOL MOST PREMIERSHIP WINS

This record can't be broken this season, it can be equalled

05/06 25 wins in 38 games
08/09 24 wins in 37 games
01/02 24 wins in 38 games
07/08 21 wins in 38 games
94/95 21 wins in 42 games

LIVERPOOL PREMIERSHIP GOALS SCORED

08/09 74 goals (37 games)
00/01 71 goals (38 games)
95/96 70 goals (38 games)
97/98 68 goals (38 games)
98/99 68 goals (38 games)

74 goals is the most since 90/91 when we made our last serious title challenge and then we scored 77 goals. If we could reach 80 goals it would be the first time since 87/88.

LIVERPOOL PREMIERSHIP CLEAN SHEETS

Good season that is has been, we haven't been so hot on clean sheets. Nonetheless it should register quite highly in the Premiership list - second if we don't concede in our last two games.

05/06 22 (38 games)
08/09 20 (37 games)
06/07 20 (38 games)
01/02 18 (38 games)
07/08 18 (38 games)
94/95 17 (42 games)

Interestingly we have only twice before kept 20+ clean sheets in a season, both seasons we scores 57 goals. This season we have kept 20 clean sheets and scored 17 more goals so that is worthy of note

LIVERPOOL PREMIERSHIP CLEAN SHEETS

05/06 Points 82, Clean Sheets 25 (GF 57, GA 25)
08/09 Points 83, Clean Sheets 20 (GF 74, GA 26)
06/07 Points 68, Clean Sheets 20 (GF 57, GA 27)
07/08 Points 76, Clean Sheets 18 (GF 67, GA 28)
01/02 Points 80, Clean Sheets 18 (GF 67, GA 30)

Conceded less goals than last season, picked up two more clean sheets and scored seven more goals already

LIVERPOOL LEAST PREMIERSHIP DEFEATS

08/09 2 defeats in 37 games
07/08 4 defeats in 38 games
05/06 6 defeats in 38 games
01/02 6 defeats in 38 games
95/96 7 defeats in 38 games

This will be our least Premiership defeats, even if we do the unthinkable and lose to Tottenham at home.

LIVERPOOL LEAST TOP FLIGHT DEFEATS

87/88 2 defeats in 40 games
08/09 2 defeats in 37 games
78/79 4 defeats in 42 games
07/08 4 defeats in 38 games
75/76 5 defeats in 42 games
89/90 5 defeats in 38 games

IF Liverpool don't lose the last game of the season, it will be only the SEVENTH time a side has lost two or less games in a top flight season.

LEAST TOP FLIGHT DEFEATS

03/04 Arsenal : 0 defeats in 38 games
88/89 Preston NE : 0 defeats in 22 games
90/91 Arsenal : 1 defeat in 38 games
04/05 Chelsea : 1 defeat in 38 games
68/69 Leeds Utd : 2 defeats in 42 games
87/88 LIVERPOOL : 2 defeats in 40 games
08/09 LIVERPOOL 2 defeats in 36 games


So to look out for next game :-

- 500th goal : we've scored 498 goals under Rafa in all competitions, two needed to make it 500 in five seasons
- two defeats in a season : if we don't lose then it would be a remarkable achievement.
- goals : continue setting our own Premiership record
- wins : a win at home to Tottenham would equal our wins record in the Premiership
- points : set an even higher Liverpool Premiership record and climb up Liverpool's top flight best tally

A 2-0 win would do very nicely indeed, I don't think we have any great chance of thumping Tottenham by enough goals to make much headway into any other records.

[tubby]

These stats mean feckign shyte. We lost 2 games this season but we still didn't win the league. Who was it before saying Utd dropped on average 7 points in their last few games in past seasons. Well that didn't happen did it.

The game is always changing and whilst it is nice sometimes to look at stats they mean nothing.