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[OneHotRed]

Without putting a spanner in the works, in order to be fickle doesnt that mean a person changes his views on the item before anything has changed, and as every week the performance changes a new factor is put in, therefore you can have a different point of view without being fickle?

[Lando_Griffin]

Just on another note, our set pieces are still f#cking abysmal.

I think you have just made Lando's day complete, I was trying not to mention Alonso's freekicks 

To be fair, I think he only took 2 and they were both W*nk.

[OneHotRed]

sorry double post didnt update for some reason

[Lando_Griffin]

Without putting a spanner in the works, in order to be fickle doesnt that mean a person changes his views on the item before anything has changed, and as every week the performance changes a new factor is put in, therefore you can have a different point of view without being fickle?

No.

Fickle is defined as "Likely to change".

Hence the phrase "Fickle weather."

[stmichael]

Xabi needs a kick up the backside. The guy's a class act but he's just not playing up to anything near his best.

[112-1077774096]

I'd love to see you get out of this one.

and now your second pearl of wisdom

"Fickle: 1. Likely to change. 2. Not constant or loyal in affections."

ok you wrote this, you are saying that if someone changes their opinion on something or gives an honest opinion on a performance that makes them fickle, so you are suggesting that a supporter must praise his team, he is never allowed to praise his team for a good performance and then criticise his team for a poor performance as this makes him fickle.

i point out that for you to say someons loyalties have been weakend because they criticise a poor performance is wrong, and make no mistake about it thats what you are doing.

ok i will use myself as a point, i went to more games before you were born that you have even been to after you were born, now by your definition you are saying i am fickle,(and fickle means according to you Not constant or loyal in affections) my loyalty and affections have never wavered for my home town club, never but i have every right to criticise them when they perform badly, every right, just as every supporter does.

thats is not being fickle, as my loyalty has never wavered and my affection has never wavered, also my opinion has changed based on fact, two weeks ago we played well, today we didnt, my opinion is an honest one based on performance, not based on my support for the club.



over to you

Once again - you miss the point entirely. 

If a person (be the a supporter or otherwise) alters their opinions regularly, then yes, they are fickle. There are no ifs or buts. It is fact that this chain of events is regarded as fickle.

If a supporter were to say, post Derby game, "I think we will win the league. That performance was brilliant", then the same supporter said post Portsmouth;
"That performance was shocking, but I still think we will win the league because we still have a god side" - this is NOT fickle. This is simply stating their beliefs and reflecting on the game.

But had they changed their beliefs after such a short space of time, then this would be fickle. No doubt about it.

I never questioned any one persons loyalties - once again you are using your interpretation of my posts, rather than my actual posts, to win the arguement. What I did was, I quoted a dictionary definition of "fickle". Nothing more. It was a sweeping statement, which you yourself seem to have become embroiled in.

(But the fact is, if people DO have fickle emotions, then their loyalties are questionable, obviously.)


Aha! The old "I've been to more games than you" nugget! I wondered how long it would take a seasoned pro like yourself to resort to such a bullsh*t angle.

Right - you have been to more matches, blah blah blah. OK then - how many have you been to since the season began, hmmm...? Remember, matey, that we can't use examples of seasons gone by - oh no! That's got "no relevance" to this little conundrum, has it, pee?

Hoisted by your own petard AGAIN! You should really be more careful, Peter. 

And once again - I have no problem with people saying we were garbage on any given day - it's when they say we'll win the title one week, then we'll never win it the next, and so on and so forth that really gets my goat and deserves the label "fickle".

Your move, Sherlock...

nice try but you are arguing with yourself now, maybe you didnt read my earlier post, i made my point, its all in the open for people to read and decide on who is right and who is wrong.

to be honest i don't really care, i just like to see you struggle to come up with answers and make a fool of yourself, and you never let me down.

and i think you will find it is "hoist by your own petard" as opposed to hoisted, i know hoisted is the past simple but 'hoist by your own petard" is a saying so maybe stick with that

[112-1077774096]

Without putting a spanner in the works, in order to be fickle doesnt that mean a person changes his views on the item before anything has changed, and as every week the performance changes a new factor is put in, therefore you can have a different point of view without being fickle?

read my posts mate, they will give you a better answer on the subject.

[OneHotRed]

Oh sorry I thought it meant changes for no reason, but as there were reasons people were saying differing things now due to the fact of Rafas selection, I thought it didnt count as fickle

[nobybob]

I THINK UR WRONG ON THIS ONE LANDO .OF COURSE SOMEONE CAN SAY 1 GAME WE R GONNA WIN THE LEAGUE THEN THE NEXT  WE WERE . THIS IS BECAUSE HE MAY HAVE BEEN BASING HIS FIRST OPINION ON THE TEAM THAT PLAYED THE FIRST GAME AND NOT PREDICTING THE CRAZY ROTATION (NO GERRARD TORRES MACHERANO BABEL) IN THE STARTING TEAM NEXT GAME. SO HE HAS SEEN 2 TEAMS AND EXPRESSED 2 OPIONIONS ON BOTH TEAMS .

THIS IS NOT BEING FICKLE THINK U OWE PEE AN APOLOGY

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FFS I would rather argue about the definition of fickle than about popular sayings


Or maybe we could get back to discussing the match?

[OneHotRed]

fick·le       (fĭk'əl)  Pronunciation Key
adj.   Characterized by erratic changeableness or instability, especially with regard to affections or attachments; capricious

I wouldnt say that it was erratic due to the fact that there is a reason behind the opinion changing?

Lets get back on track

[112-1077774096]

I THINK UR WRONG ON THIS ONE LANDO .OF COURSE SOMEONE CAN SAY 1 GAME WE R GONNA WIN THE LEAGUE THEN THE NEXT  WE WERE . THIS IS BECAUSE HE MAY HAVE BEEN BASING HIS FIRST OPINION ON THE TEAM THAT PLAYED THE FIRST GAME AND NOT PREDICTING THE CRAZY ROTATION (NO GERRARD TORRES MACHERANO BABEL) IN THE STARTING TEAM NEXT GAME. SO HE HAS SEEN 2 TEAMS AND EXPRESSED 2 OPIONIONS ON BOTH TEAMS .

THIS IS NOT BEING FICKLE THINK U OWE PEE AN APOLOGY

yeah, well shouted mate   

[Ciggy]

Them bell ringing b@stards will probably get a draw at Anfield aswell fuming I am FUMING.

[Lando_Griffin]

I'd love to see you get out of this one.

and now your second pearl of wisdom

"Fickle: 1. Likely to change. 2. Not constant or loyal in affections."

ok you wrote this, you are saying that if someone changes their opinion on something or gives an honest opinion on a performance that makes them fickle, so you are suggesting that a supporter must praise his team, he is never allowed to praise his team for a good performance and then criticise his team for a poor performance as this makes him fickle.

i point out that for you to say someons loyalties have been weakend because they criticise a poor performance is wrong, and make no mistake about it thats what you are doing.

ok i will use myself as a point, i went to more games before you were born that you have even been to after you were born, now by your definition you are saying i am fickle,(and fickle means according to you Not constant or loyal in affections) my loyalty and affections have never wavered for my home town club, never but i have every right to criticise them when they perform badly, every right, just as every supporter does.

thats is not being fickle, as my loyalty has never wavered and my affection has never wavered, also my opinion has changed based on fact, two weeks ago we played well, today we didnt, my opinion is an honest one based on performance, not based on my support for the club.



over to you

Once again - you miss the point entirely. 

If a person (be the a supporter or otherwise) alters their opinions regularly, then yes, they are fickle. There are no ifs or buts. It is fact that this chain of events is regarded as fickle.

If a supporter were to say, post Derby game, "I think we will win the league. That performance was brilliant", then the same supporter said post Portsmouth;
"That performance was shocking, but I still think we will win the league because we still have a god side" - this is NOT fickle. This is simply stating their beliefs and reflecting on the game.

But had they changed their beliefs after such a short space of time, then this would be fickle. No doubt about it.

I never questioned any one persons loyalties - once again you are using your interpretation of my posts, rather than my actual posts, to win the arguement. What I did was, I quoted a dictionary definition of "fickle". Nothing more. It was a sweeping statement, which you yourself seem to have become embroiled in.

(But the fact is, if people DO have fickle emotions, then their loyalties are questionable, obviously.)


Aha! The old "I've been to more games than you" nugget! I wondered how long it would take a seasoned pro like yourself to resort to such a bullsh*t angle.

Right - you have been to more matches, blah blah blah. OK then - how many have you been to since the season began, hmmm...? Remember, matey, that we can't use examples of seasons gone by - oh no! That's got "no relevance" to this little conundrum, has it, pee?

Hoisted by your own petard AGAIN! You should really be more careful, Peter. 

And once again - I have no problem with people saying we were garbage on any given day - it's when they say we'll win the title one week, then we'll never win it the next, and so on and so forth that really gets my goat and deserves the label "fickle".

Your move, Sherlock...

nice try but you are arguing with yourself now, maybe you didnt read my earlier post, i made my point, its all in the open for people to read and decide on who is right and who is wrong.

to be honest i don't really care, i just like to see you struggle to come up with answers and make a fool of yourself, and you never let me down.

and i think you will find it is "hoist by your own petard" as opposed to hoisted, i know hoisted is the past simple but 'hoist by your own petard" is a saying so maybe stick with that

Well well well - Peewee the great deigns it a necessity to post once again - thought you'd struggle to resist. 

I would open this discussion to the forum - a few dullards will side with you, the rest of intellectual humaity will see you for the scabby pustule you really are and side with me.

Hey ho - who cares?

But one thing before you nip off to have your knuckles waxed:

As I was describing an event that has taken place, rather than one which was about to happen, it's "Hoisted."

Maybe you should get an education sometime - it might just help you out. 

[The Grudge]

Bad day but could have been worse...Fratton Park is notoriously hard for any team to go to and take all 3 points.They play with an organised confidence,defend well and their supporters are superb,a credit to Pompey!

In saying that..WHAT THE F.UCK WAS BENITEZ THINKING ABOUT??

Why rest Gerrard and Torres when they are obviously our 2 best and on form players?His arguement at the start of the game was that he thinks they are tired and need a rest...BULLSH.IT.
Regardless of playing for their countries during the week it is early days in the season and both players would have been more than able to play!

Last season we took 1 point from 6 over our 2 games with Pompey...How the hell can Raffa justify leaving out 2 such important players after that?Pompey have held their own aginst Arsenal,Chelsea and UTD this season on top of that.Surely our manager could take that into acoount and start his best 11!

No...its the usual arguement of 'I thought i picked a team good enough to win'
Well Raffa you were wrong....again!

So far this season we have been robbed of 2 points by a daft referee,today i feel our own manager robbed us of another 2 with incompetent decisions so early in the season.

Im disgusted to put it mildly....There is no sugar coating the fact that as great a manager Raffa can be at times today he got it wrong bigtime and must shoulder the blame for 2 points lost!