Liverpool FC Forum

[GRAHAM01]

very good read that, can some one crock the 2 rons

[bigmick]

I'm not a Tompkins fan (surprise surprise ) and I don't generally read his posts. If the point of this one is that the Mancs rely on Ronaldo and Rooney every buit as much as we depend on Torres and Gerrard, I think it's nonsense. David N'Gog wouldn't get a game as lone striker in the Mancs reserves, never mind the first team.

[GRAHAM01]

I'm not a Tompkins fan (surprise surprise ) and I don't generally read his posts. If the point of this one is that the Mancs rely on Ronaldo and Rooney every buit as much as we depend on Torres and Gerrard, I think it's nonsense. David N'Gog wouldn't get a game as lone striker in the Mancs reserves, never mind the first team.

i don't think he is saying that they depend on them solely but that they are not as good with out them, they still have very good cover but just not as good as them. i think??

[Igor Zidane]

I think what he is saying is that there is a bias against rafa and liverpool in the press . Not everything is as simple as rafa is lucky and Fergie is a genius .

[bigmick]

There is a bias against us without question. I think there's lots of reasons for that (none of which are our fault incidently) but I wrote a book about it last night in the media thread so I won't inflict it on everybody again here.

[Redman in wales]

TOMKINS:

look at Liverpool without Torres and Gerrard this season.

Gerrard has failed to start four league games –– Villa, United, Fulham and Portsmouth. Two of those are clearly very tough fixtures, against top-three sides. Two were at home, two away. And yet Liverpool's record is won two, drawn two. Over 38 league games, that is worth an impressive 76 points.

Due to injury, Torres has failed to start no fewer than 15 league games. These resulted in ten wins, four draws and just one defeat. Over a 38 game season, that ratio would earn an incredible 86 points. That is a title-winning tally; last year United got 87, but needed only 86.

Perhaps due to Torres playing at least half a dozen games when lacking sharpness, Liverpool have actually fared better without him; with him starting, the Reds have won five and drawn five, which is 76 points in terms of form over 38 games. (Though he did win the weekend's game from the bench.)

It gets even more amazing. In each of the two league games Liverpool started without both Torres and Gerrard, the Reds won: against United and Pompey. It's only two games, of course, but it's a 100% record. Or 114 points over the course of a season! (Silly, I know, when based on such a small sample, but a 100% record is a 100% record.)

Yes, these are statistics – but then league tables are formed from similar statistics relating to win, lose or draw, which are the most important kind. And yes, United's figures are based on last season (when they won the title) and Liverpool's this season (as they challenge for it). Even so, it's valid.

nah I think what he's basically saying is that if we bench gerrard and torres for the rest of the season, we'll win the league, as the stats say we're better off without them!!

[The_Rock]

Thomkins is an idiot....Owzat does the "stats stuff" better than him.

[heimdall]

Thomkins is an idiot....Owzat does the "stats stuff" better than him.

I think Thompkins and GYBS might be the same person, certainly both are as rose tinted and blindly devoted with their heads firmly entrenched in the sand.

[Sabre]

Thomkins is an idiot....Owzat does the "stats stuff" better than him.

I think Thompkins and GYBS might be the same person, certainly both are as rose tinted and blindly devoted with their heads firmly entrenched in the sand.

And this is the kind of post that must be answered without insults, and sticking to football.

Exactly how may I answer that post in terms of football? 

[GYBS]

Where as i think Heimdull and pondlife might be the same as they both show the same amount of understanding about the game of football and supporting your club players and managers

[heimdall]

Thomkins is an idiot....Owzat does the "stats stuff" better than him.

I think Thompkins and GYBS might be the same person, certainly both are as rose tinted and blindly devoted with their heads firmly entrenched in the sand.

And this is the kind of post that must be answered without insults, and sticking to football.

Exactly how may I answer that post in terms of football? 

Why do you feel the need to answer it, is it purely because I posted it?? 
It was meant as a bit of a joke, GYBS jumps on me every time I post something these days so I must be allowed to have a dig back at him or NO?

[GYBS]

Dont worry about him Sabre - he will slime off into the background soon enough and come back with some sort of negative bullsh ite about the club , players and managers .

[heimdall]

Where as i think Heimdull and pondlife might be the same as they both show the same amount of understanding about the game of football and supporting your club players and managers

Where as i think Heimdull and pondlife might be the same as they both show the same amount of understanding about the game of football and supporting your club players and managers

heimdull,          Oooh that hurts.

Better get back to your alter of Rafa and get some more divine inspiration for a few more cutting remarks.

[heimdall]

Thomkins is an idiot....Owzat does the "stats stuff" better than him.

I think Thompkins and GYBS might be the same person, certainly both are as rose tinted and blindly devoted with their heads firmly entrenched in the sand.

And this is the kind of post that must be answered without insults, and sticking to football.

Exactly how may I answer that post in terms of football? 

Why do you feel the need to respond to it? That is the question.

[GYBS]

What sabre is saying is stick to football instead of coming on here and posting unprovoked insults .