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[god_bless_john_houlding]

i refer you to support another club...fancy it? no don't think you would. likewise I don't fancy reading the same dribble that you type. so in future don't refer me anywhere, esepcially not to something that involves josemi when we're discussing Crouch and Kuyt.

back to topic, as dribbler has brought the tone of the topic down again by making it into a petty arguement, Peter Crouch is the best option we have behind Torres. If it's 4-4-2 then I'd rather see Crouch and Torres then anybody else that we have and if it's 4-2-3-1 then if Torres is unavailable I'd rather see Crouch up front than anybody else. He causes havoc, gets in chances and links up well with the rest of the side. People question his heading, which is unfair, just because a fella is 6 foot 7 doesn't mean he's got to score with his head pretty much every time he gets a chance at heading. Players who are 5 foot and a half or smaller, are they criticised if they're not speedy gonzalez? No they're not. So just because Crouch is tall doesn't mean he's got to be a Duncun Ferguson or Alan Shearer in terms of heading. He's not that type of player. I admit his heading needs improving, but I don't think people judge him fairly in terms of heading just because he's 6"7 and is therefore expected to score 7 or 8 goals a season with his head. Flick ons and knock downs, he does brilliantly with his head, he just has no power in his neck to put the required power on the ball.

So there may be better out there on the market, but right now at this club, Peter Crouch is the second best forward we have and he should be starting more games and completing 90 minutes than he is doing right now.

[duk]

then if Torres is unavailable I'd rather see Crouch up front than anybody else. He causes havoc

the guy couldn't cause havoc with an AK47

[Thingy]

I still wonder how the hell hes with that Abi Clancy.

[god_bless_john_houlding]

money talks thingy, haven't you ever heard that before and she's a scouse bird, in other words money grabbing slag. (sorry girls )

[LFC2007]

i refer you to support another club...fancy it? no don't think you would. likewise I don't fancy reading the same dribble that you type. so in future don't refer me anywhere, esepcially not to something that involves josemi when we're discussing Crouch and Kuyt.

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[Thingy]

I actually ment it in a way of he can do much better than her.







. Is it true shes actually from page moss? Right by my neck of the woods that, and it would be true there are a few of them around!

[Toffeehater]

BigMick being Mr Diplomatic as usual.

As for Toffehater...do you forget Crouch saving us against Aston Villa where he came off the bench to score and grab us a point? Do you remember Crouch STARTING AND FINISHING the rout against Beskitas? Do you remember Crouch scoring against Luton to save us from embarrasment (still came about because of Riise's own goal)? Do you remember the amount of times Crouch has won headers to knock down to other players which has ensured a goal? I assume you probably don't.

Peter Crouch has 40 first team goals for the side in 133 games, making one in 3.3 games whereas Kuyt has 24 in 91, giving him a goal every 3.7 games. Yet you'd rather keep Kuyt. Fair enough, we won't win anything with Kuyt up front and won't be close to winning the league as we finished 21 points off the top last year...without Kuyt and just Crouch we finished nine off the top plus a FA Cup winners medal. Going well with Dirk aren't we.

I remember , now read the first paragraph of your post again , starting and finishing against besiktas , hmmm , he should be scoring against these type of teams , they are easy picking and no excuse , yes i rmb the villa game , if u actually bothered to read my post . Luton , yea another difficult game , wonder why he should not score

As for bigmick , all strikers miss chances , i agree but unlike crouch , torres bounces back stronger then ever and does not let this affect him , yes crouch has a decent record against top 3 , manure , arsenal and chelsea but still does not justify , why he deserves a spot in the starting 11 . He can't play on the right like dirk .


So john , kuyt has not been playing upfront but as a winger , where he been effective and we have won most of our games since that change , can crouch play in that position? the last time he did i think we lost 3-1 to reading .

[Owzat]

GBJH, are you going to exclude all the games that Kuyt hasn't played up front? Or would that get in the way of supporting your claims. Neither Kuyt nor Crouch score enough goals for a striker good enough to play for Liverpool, Kuyt has shown since he started playing wide that he is capable of doing a job and Crouch has scored the odd goals to keep his record ahead of Kuyt's. But then his last five goals have been against Havant, Luton, villa, Sunderland and Arsenal. Kuyt's last two have been rather crucial goals against Arsenal and Inter.

And you mention Crouch's crucial goals, they didn't win either game and neither he nor Kuyt has scored what you would class as a winner since April last year. Why do people keep comparing Crouch with Kuyt as if comparing not good with slightly less good somehows makes not good = good?!?!? Why not knock yourselves out and compare him with Voronin, Kevin Davies or even Meijer? Kuyt is playing a key part in the Liverpool team at the moment, like it or not, and Crouch is playing a bit-part role, like that or not. Get over it, just because that increases the chances of Crouch leaving doesn't mean it is bad for the club. You'll have to get over it like those who thought Fowler was hard done by had to.

[god_bless_john_houlding]

BigMick being Mr Diplomatic as usual.

As for Toffehater...do you forget Crouch saving us against Aston Villa where he came off the bench to score and grab us a point? Do you remember Crouch STARTING AND FINISHING the rout against Beskitas? Do you remember Crouch scoring against Luton to save us from embarrasment (still came about because of Riise's own goal)? Do you remember the amount of times Crouch has won headers to knock down to other players which has ensured a goal? I assume you probably don't.

Peter Crouch has 40 first team goals for the side in 133 games, making one in 3.3 games whereas Kuyt has 24 in 91, giving him a goal every 3.7 games. Yet you'd rather keep Kuyt. Fair enough, we won't win anything with Kuyt up front and won't be close to winning the league as we finished 21 points off the top last year...without Kuyt and just Crouch we finished nine off the top plus a FA Cup winners medal. Going well with Dirk aren't we.

I remember , now read the first paragraph of your post again , starting and finishing against besiktas , hmmm , he should be scoring against these type of teams , they are easy picking and no excuse , yes i rmb the villa game , if u actually bothered to read my post . Luton , yea another difficult game , wonder why he should not score

As for bigmick , all strikers miss chances , i agree but unlike crouch , torres bounces back stronger then ever and does not let this affect him , yes crouch has a decent record against top 3 , manure , arsenal and chelsea but still does not justify , why he deserves a spot in the starting 11 . He can't play on the right like dirk .


So john , kuyt has not been playing upfront but as a winger , where he been effective and we have won most of our games since that change , can crouch play in that position? the last time he did i think we lost 3-1 to reading .

can Crouch play in that position? NO, why? because he's a forward. Can Torres play out wide? No, why? because he's a forward. Can Kuyt play out there? Yes, why? because he's up front.

Kuyt should not be at this club, as a wide man or forward.

Owzat, you say Crouch's last five come against havant, villa, sunderland, luton and arsenal...well so what? does that mean they don't count? Without the goal against Luton, we wouldn't of even made the game against Barnsley. Without the goals against Villa and Arseanl we'd be behind Everton right now. Without Kuyt's two goals against Everton (both pens) we'd be two points ahead of Everton. So I'd say Crouch's goals have been more important when it comes to the domestic game. And    Crouch should be scoring against Beskitas...well shouldn't Kuyt? Because if memory serves me right Kuyt played against Beskitas in Turkey and didn't score.

[duk]

BigMick being Mr Diplomatic as usual.

As for Toffehater...do you forget Crouch saving us against Aston Villa where he came off the bench to score and grab us a point? Do you remember Crouch STARTING AND FINISHING the rout against Beskitas? Do you remember Crouch scoring against Luton to save us from embarrasment (still came about because of Riise's own goal)? Do you remember the amount of times Crouch has won headers to knock down to other players which has ensured a goal? I assume you probably don't.

Peter Crouch has 40 first team goals for the side in 133 games, making one in 3.3 games whereas Kuyt has 24 in 91, giving him a goal every 3.7 games. Yet you'd rather keep Kuyt. Fair enough, we won't win anything with Kuyt up front and won't be close to winning the league as we finished 21 points off the top last year...without Kuyt and just Crouch we finished nine off the top plus a FA Cup winners medal. Going well with Dirk aren't we.

I remember , now read the first paragraph of your post again , starting and finishing against besiktas , hmmm , he should be scoring against these type of teams , they are easy picking and no excuse , yes i rmb the villa game , if u actually bothered to read my post . Luton , yea another difficult game , wonder why he should not score

As for bigmick , all strikers miss chances , i agree but unlike crouch , torres bounces back stronger then ever and does not let this affect him , yes crouch has a decent record against top 3 , manure , arsenal and chelsea but still does not justify , why he deserves a spot in the starting 11 . He can't play on the right like dirk .


So john , kuyt has not been playing upfront but as a winger , where he been effective and we have won most of our games since that change , can crouch play in that position? the last time he did i think we lost 3-1 to reading .

can Crouch play in that position? NO, why? because he's a forward. Can Torres play out wide? No, why? because he's a forward. Can Kuyt play out there? Yes, why? because he's up front.

Kuyt should not be at this club, as a wide man or forward.

Owzat, you say Crouch's last five come against havant, villa, sunderland, luton and arsenal...well so what? does that mean they don't count? Without the goal against Luton, we wouldn't of even made the game against Barnsley. Without the goals against Villa and Arseanl we'd be behind Everton right now. Without Kuyt's two goals against Everton (both pens) we'd be two points ahead of Everton. So I'd say Crouch's goals have been more important when it comes to the domestic game. And    Crouch should be scoring against Beskitas...well shouldn't Kuyt? Because if memory serves me right Kuyt played against Beskitas in Turkey and didn't score.

Does it really matter??! Honestly?

We can pick and niggle at who scored when and whose goals are more important but whats the point?

The fact is at the current time Kuyt is more useful to Liverpool Football Club.

As forwards they both aren't up to our standards. I know whats coming next btw .... 'Crouch scores more often' .... Who cares??! he still doesnt' score enough, he doesn't offer enough, he wouldn't make Man Utd or Chelsea's bench so the fact he is considered by some as a must in our 1st team possible explains why they where out winning games and we where out drawing.

The difference with Kuyt is (whilst not being good enough to start up front) he can offer more than our other wide players at this present time, he fits into the system.

As such he should be seen and judged in his new position.

Im not a stat man but im sure he's scored more goals this season than Pennant and Benayoun, i'm almost sure he has more assists too.

I agree with you that if we want to keep one of the two is a forward Crouch is probably the best bet, however Rafa doesn't seem to see Kuyt as a forward.

[Toffeehater]

BigMick being Mr Diplomatic as usual.

As for Toffehater...do you forget Crouch saving us against Aston Villa where he came off the bench to score and grab us a point? Do you remember Crouch STARTING AND FINISHING the rout against Beskitas? Do you remember Crouch scoring against Luton to save us from embarrasment (still came about because of Riise's own goal)? Do you remember the amount of times Crouch has won headers to knock down to other players which has ensured a goal? I assume you probably don't.

Peter Crouch has 40 first team goals for the side in 133 games, making one in 3.3 games whereas Kuyt has 24 in 91, giving him a goal every 3.7 games. Yet you'd rather keep Kuyt. Fair enough, we won't win anything with Kuyt up front and won't be close to winning the league as we finished 21 points off the top last year...without Kuyt and just Crouch we finished nine off the top plus a FA Cup winners medal. Going well with Dirk aren't we.

I remember , now read the first paragraph of your post again , starting and finishing against besiktas , hmmm , he should be scoring against these type of teams , they are easy picking and no excuse , yes i rmb the villa game , if u actually bothered to read my post . Luton , yea another difficult game , wonder why he should not score

As for bigmick , all strikers miss chances , i agree but unlike crouch , torres bounces back stronger then ever and does not let this affect him , yes crouch has a decent record against top 3 , manure , arsenal and chelsea but still does not justify , why he deserves a spot in the starting 11 . He can't play on the right like dirk .


So john , kuyt has not been playing upfront but as a winger , where he been effective and we have won most of our games since that change , can crouch play in that position? the last time he did i think we lost 3-1 to reading .

can Crouch play in that position? NO, why? because he's a forward. Can Torres play out wide? No, why? because he's a forward. Can Kuyt play out there? Yes, why? because he's up front.

Kuyt should not be at this club, as a wide man or forward.

Owzat, you say Crouch's last five come against havant, villa, sunderland, luton and arsenal...well so what? does that mean they don't count? Without the goal against Luton, we wouldn't of even made the game against Barnsley. Without the goals against Villa and Arseanl we'd be behind Everton right now. Without Kuyt's two goals against Everton (both pens) we'd be two points ahead of Everton. So I'd say Crouch's goals have been more important when it comes to the domestic game. And    Crouch should be scoring against Beskitas...well shouldn't Kuyt? Because if memory serves me right Kuyt played against Beskitas in Turkey and didn't score.

Does it really matter??! Honestly?

We can pick and niggle at who scored when and whose goals are more important but whats the point?

The fact is at the current time Kuyt is more useful to Liverpool Football Club.

As forwards they both aren't up to our standards. I know whats coming next btw .... 'Crouch scores more often' .... Who cares??! he still doesnt' score enough, he doesn't offer enough, he wouldn't make Man Utd or Chelsea's bench so the fact he is considered by some as a must in our 1st team possible explains why they where out winning games and we where out drawing.

The difference with Kuyt is (whilst not being good enough to start up front) he can offer more than our other wide players at this present time, he fits into the system.

As such he should be seen and judged in his new position.

Im not a stat man but im sure he's scored more goals this season than Pennant and Benayoun, i'm almost sure he has more assists too.

I agree with you that if we want to keep one of the two is a forward Crouch is probably the best bet, however Rafa doesn't seem to see Kuyt as a forward.

Good post , took the words right out of my mouth

[god_bless_john_houlding]

'Crouch scores more often' .... Who cares??!

well I for one care. The only way to win a football match is to score more goals than your opponent. So it makes a huge difference to who scores more, especially for a forward.

Crouch is the best second option we have. I'm not saying play him in front of Torres, but when it comes to a straight choice between, Crouch/Kuyt/Voronin as to who should play instead of Torres (injury, suspension, rotation or whatever) then it has to be Crouch. None of the other three offer anything in terms of pace. Kuyt and Voronin don't link up as well as Crouch. Kuyt and Voronin can't hold the ball up as well as Crouch. Kuyt and Voronin offer you no get out ball, Crouch does. You can throw it long to him when the opposition are putting us under pressure. Finally, Crouch offers more of a goal threat. Crouch must play, if we're playing 4-4-2 and in this new system, if Torres isn't playing, then Crouch must.

[Thingy]

Its a no brainer for me. Crouch should be playing if Torres isnt, or with him if were 442. I am not gunna expand on it, cos it should be straightforward for people, but obviously two players who cant get in their own national side, or one who scores when he gets the chance for club or country, people go for the first one.

[Leonmc0708]

'Crouch scores more often' .... Who cares??!

well I for one care. The only way to win a football match is to score more goals than your opponent. So it makes a huge difference to who scores more, especially for a forward.

NEWSFLASH - KUYT HAS BEEN PLAYING WIDE RIGHT THIS SEASON AND NOT AS A STRIKER

[NANNY RED]

money talks thingy, haven't you ever heard that before and she's a scouse bird, in other words money grabbing slag. (sorry girls )

You will be sorry when i batter you , I'm not having that I'm afraid .

Scouse girls are the  best in the world right we are. PYJAMAS an all . AN ive got money