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[jedwards]

It is a great loss to see Crouch go, and we will be left with this idiot Benitez and his babes the donkeys Kuyt, Voronin,Riise, Lato, Aurelio etc, many players not even worth wearing the Liverpool's top, it is a shameful act by Benitez, and I sincerely hope that Benitez will fall flat on his face and off out of LFC totally.

This is not a top manager, he is just a .

Good Luck Crouch with your future. and I still support you even if you do well against us when and where you play with your new club, just to prove a painful point to your current idiot useless manager, which I doubt if still here next season!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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lol this guy has taken over from peewee for posting the most idiotic tripe on this forum. Well done lad i didn't think anyone would ever surpass peewee by fitting so many insults, and so much utter into one post, but hey you did it kid  

Hey brainy!!!!, I would love to see your most intelligent topic next time, rather than your stupid remarks.    

[Seano Kop]

That is pretty stupid. How can you judge Leto already as well btw? I rpesume that's who you mean by 'Lato'

Can you tell me, why we would play Crouch? We have a 4-2-3-1 formation. ONE striker. And Torres is obviously a much better choice than Crouch. Kuyt is very useful on the wings, Riise is a very good rightback, as is Aurelio at times.

The only thing I agree with is Voronin.

[god_bless_john_houlding]

And Crouch of the three will likely command the highest fee, not because he's (much/any) better than Crouch, but because teams are interested in him and quite probably because he's tall and scored goals for England - albeit against mostly naff sides.

it's fans like you who really get on my tits.

"Crouch has scored for england albeit against naff sides" You can only score what's put in front of you. How often has Crouch played against Brazil, Argentina, Italy, France or Germany? He can't score against Brazil if he's playing against Jamaica can he? Croatia topped England's group for qualification to Euro 2008 yet Crouch managed to score against them. Also he scored three against Jamacia...I don't recall Owen, Rooney, Torres, Villa, Kaka, Ronaladino, Henry or Anelka getting a hattrick against Jamacia for their repesctive countries. Crouch has never let England down and if Crouch didn't score against these "naff sides" England wouldn't of been even in a chance of qualifying. Scoring against "naff sides" is just as important as scoring as against top sides.

[Owzat]

Riise is a very good rightback, as is Aurelio at times.

Ah that's the mistake we've been making, playing them out of position!

[god_bless_john_houlding]

That is pretty stupid. How can you judge Leto already as well btw? I rpesume that's who you mean by 'Lato'

Can you tell me, why we would play Crouch? We have a 4-2-3-1 formation. ONE striker. And Torres is obviously a much better choice than Crouch. Kuyt is very useful on the wings, Riise is a very good rightback, as is Aurelio at times.

The only thing I agree with is Voronin.

this is pretty stupid.

You've tried to belittle someone by saying they can't spell Leto, then you go and prove your football knowledge by saying Riise and Aurelio are RIGHTbacks, when if either kicked the ball with their right foot they'd fall over. Next time you try and belittle someone to make yourself feel better make sure you know what you're on about.

[Ace Ventura]

And Crouch of the three will likely command the highest fee, not because he's (much/any) better than Crouch, but because teams are interested in him and quite probably because he's tall and scored goals for England - albeit against mostly naff sides.

it's fans like you who really get on my tits.

"Crouch has scored for england albeit against naff sides" You can only score what's put in front of you. How often has Crouch played against Brazil, Argentina, Italy, France or Germany? He can't score against Brazil if he's playing against Jamaica can he? Croatia topped England's group for qualification to Euro 2008 yet Crouch managed to score against them. Also he scored three against Jamacia...I don't recall Owen, Rooney, Torres, Villa, Kaka, Ronaladino, Henry or Anelka getting a hattrick against Jamacia for their repesctive countries. Crouch has never let England down and if Crouch didn't score against these "naff sides" England wouldn't of been even in a chance of qualifying. Scoring against "naff sides" is just as important as scoring as against top sides.

Peter Crouch - the only player that can be bombed out all season, then come back in away to Arsenal, play really well and score a great goal....and still get criticised for it 

[Owzat]

Ace - go read my comments on the match, I didn't slate Crouch for scoring against Arsenal.

And Crouch of the three will likely command the highest fee, not because he's (much/any) better than others, but because teams are interested in him and quite probably because he's tall and scored goals for England - albeit against mostly naff sides.

it's fans like you who really get on my tits.

"Crouch has scored for england albeit against naff sides" You can only score what's put in front of you. How often has Crouch played against Brazil, Argentina, Italy, France or Germany? He can't score against Brazil if he's playing against Jamaica can he? Croatia topped England's group for qualification to Euro 2008 yet Crouch managed to score against them. Also he scored three against Jamacia...I don't recall Owen, Rooney, Torres, Villa, Kaka, Ronaladino, Henry or Anelka getting a hattrick against Jamacia for their repesctive countries. Crouch has never let England down and if Crouch didn't score against these "naff sides" England wouldn't of been even in a chance of qualifying. Scoring against "naff sides" is just as important as scoring as against top sides.

Those same players never scored record goals in qualifiers, does that make Healy better than them........?

T1ts like you get on my t1ts , his record doesn't lie and it is one of success against weaker sides. Do those strikers mentioned have a 1 in 3 scoring record? And do they boast just TWO career hat-tricks?

I know where you're coming from because I've seen it, read it and heard it all before. If you think the mark of a quality striker is scoring against weak sides then you truly are a t1t. Did you consider that top strikers don't need to fill their boots against weak sides to prove themselves? Owen knows a hat-trick against Jamaica won't secure him a starting place, the same as Crouch found out. Or by your own daft comparison perhaps  his is better than any of "Owen, Rooney, Torres, Villa, Kaka, Ronaladino, Henry or Anelka".

And congratulations for identifying the ONE decent side Crouch has scored against in a COMPETITIVE match. Is that the same Croatia Rooney scored two against in Euro 2004? You left out his brace against Andorra, strikers scoring goals against them must be impressing you all the time. So which one's who've scored plenty of goals against the same opposition as Crouch do you want to sign? I'm guessing none, because your argument is weak as water.

[maypaxvobiscum]

hmm.
kuyt runs his socks off. he is hardworking. but there is no end product.
voronin might need a few more games before he could be properly judged as he missed 2 good chances to win the arsenal game but then again, it was his ability that gone him into those positions to begin with.
crouch, when he plays, chances of us scoring are much higher. its a pity the system accomadates only 1 out and out striker, but with his height and ability to hold up the ball, could he be the player in the ''hole''?

[Ace Ventura]

Fair enough Owzat, name the competitive games that Crouch has started that he has failed in.

The reason he hasnt scored against these sides invariably is because he hasnt been selected.

Doesnt the goal to knock united out of the FA cup and the hat-trick against Arsenal prove that he IS capable against the bigger sides if he is given a chance ?

[Owzat]

Fair enough Owzat, name the competitive games that Crouch has started that he has failed in.

The reason he hasnt scored against these sides invariably is because he hasnt been selected.

Doesnt the goal to knock united out of the FA cup and the hat-trick against Arsenal prove that he IS capable against the bigger sides if he is given a chance ?

1 goal in 6 games against the mancs, 1 in 17 against Chelsea. So why is it you've picked the one goal he has scored and none of the 99 games he hasn't scored in? But then again you'll argue it any which way, if I say he played badly in a game you'll say the opposite. Who's right? Crouch has been ordinary in plenty of games, that I don't recall them says more about me and not retaining pointless information. I recall good things, he has had good games, but not as many as he could and should. Was it Blackburn away that he missed a hat-trick of chances before we lost 1-0? Like I say I tend to not retain that kind of information, it could only come in useful in the kind of pointless "he was ", "no he wasn't" kind of debate you're keen to enter.

His record for a striker for Liverpool is poor - fact. What people on here indulge in is hypotheses and "what ifs" that cannot be proven one way or the other, "if he played more games Liverpool would be 15-20 goals better off" was one comment someone on here made. And if Kuyt played every minute as striker he'd have twice as many goals could equally be claimed with as little proof. His record for England is good because he's made most of poor opposition, but as I pointed out those aren't the games we need our players scoring in.

Crouch would trade in his hat-trick against Jamaica for just one goal against Portugal, he knows when it is important to score and against whom, same as you or I. Difference is plenty on here love Crouch and live in denial as a consequence. He's scored important goals for Liverpool, but how do you weigh that up against games we've lost and he hasn't scored? When Crouch scores Liverpool have never lost, yet we aren't unbeaten and aren't league champions...............

[Ace Ventura]

He didnt play against Portugal though, Rooney played on his own up front, as he did in the other games that Sven thought would be tight.
He did play against Trinidad and scored, cant do much more than that really.
Its easy to drum out the....he only scores against the poor sides statement, but he hasnt been played enough against the better sides.
What people need to also remember when proving stats is the quality of the side he is playing for, at times we have been really poor against United and Chelsea.
I am not saying Crouch should be starting every week, just defending him against your OTT assesment.
He was top scored last season and then bombed out for the champions league final, this season when he has played he has done reasonably well, thats despite the fact that he would be obviously rusty due to a lack of opportunities and the fact that when he has played often it has been in a depleted team, when Rafa is resting players.
He has hardly had a chance alongside Torres which imo is scandalous.
If he goes and we bring in another top player then fine, but if he goes and we dont then its just silly.

[god_bless_john_houlding]

Ace - go read my comments on the match, I didn't slate Crouch for scoring against Arsenal.

And Crouch of the three will likely command the highest fee, not because he's (much/any) better than others, but because teams are interested in him and quite probably because he's tall and scored goals for England - albeit against mostly naff sides.

it's fans like you who really get on my tits.

"Crouch has scored for england albeit against naff sides" You can only score what's put in front of you. How often has Crouch played against Brazil, Argentina, Italy, France or Germany? He can't score against Brazil if he's playing against Jamaica can he? Croatia topped England's group for qualification to Euro 2008 yet Crouch managed to score against them. Also he scored three against Jamacia...I don't recall Owen, Rooney, Torres, Villa, Kaka, Ronaladino, Henry or Anelka getting a hattrick against Jamacia for their repesctive countries. Crouch has never let England down and if Crouch didn't score against these "naff sides" England wouldn't of been even in a chance of qualifying. Scoring against "naff sides" is just as important as scoring as against top sides.

Those same players never scored record goals in qualifiers, does that make Healy better than them........?

T1ts like you get on my t1ts , his record doesn't lie and it is one of success against weaker sides. Do those strikers mentioned have a 1 in 3 scoring record? And do they boast just TWO career hat-tricks?

I know where you're coming from because I've seen it, read it and heard it all before. If you think the mark of a quality striker is scoring against weak sides then you truly are a t1t. Did you consider that top strikers don't need to fill their boots against weak sides to prove themselves? Owen knows a hat-trick against Jamaica won't secure him a starting place, the same as Crouch found out. Or by your own daft comparison perhaps  his is better than any of "Owen, Rooney, Torres, Villa, Kaka, Ronaladino, Henry or Anelka".

And congratulations for identifying the ONE decent side Crouch has scored against in a COMPETITIVE match. Is that the same Croatia Rooney scored two against in Euro 2004? You left out his brace against Andorra, strikers scoring goals against them must be impressing you all the time. So which one's who've scored plenty of goals against the same opposition as Crouch do you want to sign? I'm guessing none, because your argument is weak as water.

like I said, how many times has Crouch played against the best national sides?

Obviously on your theory goals agaisnt "weaker" sides aren't important, so lets just forget 21 goals that Torres has scored this year in the league shall we? Idiot.

Without Crouch's goals against "weaker" sides, the likes of Owen and Rooney wouldn't be going to euros and world cups. And as for this 99 game bollox, how many of those has he started...oh wait yeah I forgot, you class 30 seconds against Everton as one of those games don't you. Again, idiot.

[Bad Bob]

Ace - go read my comments on the match, I didn't slate Crouch for scoring against Arsenal.

And Crouch of the three will likely command the highest fee, not because he's (much/any) better than others, but because teams are interested in him and quite probably because he's tall and scored goals for England - albeit against mostly naff sides.

it's fans like you who really get on my tits.

"Crouch has scored for england albeit against naff sides" You can only score what's put in front of you. How often has Crouch played against Brazil, Argentina, Italy, France or Germany? He can't score against Brazil if he's playing against Jamaica can he? Croatia topped England's group for qualification to Euro 2008 yet Crouch managed to score against them. Also he scored three against Jamacia...I don't recall Owen, Rooney, Torres, Villa, Kaka, Ronaladino, Henry or Anelka getting a hattrick against Jamacia for their repesctive countries. Crouch has never let England down and if Crouch didn't score against these "naff sides" England wouldn't of been even in a chance of qualifying. Scoring against "naff sides" is just as important as scoring as against top sides.

Those same players never scored record goals in qualifiers, does that make Healy better than them........?

T1ts like you get on my t1ts , his record doesn't lie and it is one of success against weaker sides. Do those strikers mentioned have a 1 in 3 scoring record? And do they boast just TWO career hat-tricks?

I know where you're coming from because I've seen it, read it and heard it all before. If you think the mark of a quality striker is scoring against weak sides then you truly are a t1t. Did you consider that top strikers don't need to fill their boots against weak sides to prove themselves? Owen knows a hat-trick against Jamaica won't secure him a starting place, the same as Crouch found out. Or by your own daft comparison perhaps  his is better than any of "Owen, Rooney, Torres, Villa, Kaka, Ronaladino, Henry or Anelka".

And congratulations for identifying the ONE decent side Crouch has scored against in a COMPETITIVE match. Is that the same Croatia Rooney scored two against in Euro 2004? You left out his brace against Andorra, strikers scoring goals against them must be impressing you all the time. So which one's who've scored plenty of goals against the same opposition as Crouch do you want to sign? I'm guessing none, because your argument is weak as water.

like I said, how many times has Crouch played against the best national sides?

Obviously on your theory goals agaisnt "weaker" sides aren't important, so lets just forget 21 goals that Torres has scored this year in the league shall we? Idiot.

Without Crouch's goals against "weaker" sides, the likes of Owen and Rooney wouldn't be going to euros and world cups. And as for this 99 game bollox, how many of those has he started...oh wait yeah I forgot, you class 30 seconds against Everton as one of those games don't you. Again, idiot.

Now, now John...perhaps Owzat is just having a little fun winding people up about Crouch--there's nothing wrong with that from your perspective is there?  As for his selective stats, isn't this just a little bit like including a penalty as a set piece to make your case against zonal marking look stronger or like fabricating fourteen penalties for Ronaldo to suggest he's no better than Pennant?  Come to think of it, weren't you arguing this very thing--that Ronaldo only scores against rubbish teams?   Now that the shoe is on the other foot I'm glad you can see how frustrating it is. 

[Seano Kop]

That is pretty stupid. How can you judge Leto already as well btw? I rpesume that's who you mean by 'Lato'

Can you tell me, why we would play Crouch? We have a 4-2-3-1 formation. ONE striker. And Torres is obviously a much better choice than Crouch. Kuyt is very useful on the wings, Riise is a very good rightback, as is Aurelio at times.

The only thing I agree with is Voronin.

this is pretty stupid.

You've tried to belittle someone by saying they can't spell Leto, then you go and prove your football knowledge by saying Riise and Aurelio are RIGHTbacks, when if either kicked the ball with their right foot they'd fall over. Next time you try and belittle someone to make yourself feel better make sure you know what you're on about.

You know I meant left back..... I don't know if he meant Leto tho

[god_bless_john_houlding]

Ace - go read my comments on the match, I didn't slate Crouch for scoring against Arsenal.

And Crouch of the three will likely command the highest fee, not because he's (much/any) better than others, but because teams are interested in him and quite probably because he's tall and scored goals for England - albeit against mostly naff sides.

it's fans like you who really get on my tits.

"Crouch has scored for england albeit against naff sides" You can only score what's put in front of you. How often has Crouch played against Brazil, Argentina, Italy, France or Germany? He can't score against Brazil if he's playing against Jamaica can he? Croatia topped England's group for qualification to Euro 2008 yet Crouch managed to score against them. Also he scored three against Jamacia...I don't recall Owen, Rooney, Torres, Villa, Kaka, Ronaladino, Henry or Anelka getting a hattrick against Jamacia for their repesctive countries. Crouch has never let England down and if Crouch didn't score against these "naff sides" England wouldn't of been even in a chance of qualifying. Scoring against "naff sides" is just as important as scoring as against top sides.

Those same players never scored record goals in qualifiers, does that make Healy better than them........?

T1ts like you get on my t1ts , his record doesn't lie and it is one of success against weaker sides. Do those strikers mentioned have a 1 in 3 scoring record? And do they boast just TWO career hat-tricks?

I know where you're coming from because I've seen it, read it and heard it all before. If you think the mark of a quality striker is scoring against weak sides then you truly are a t1t. Did you consider that top strikers don't need to fill their boots against weak sides to prove themselves? Owen knows a hat-trick against Jamaica won't secure him a starting place, the same as Crouch found out. Or by your own daft comparison perhaps  his is better than any of "Owen, Rooney, Torres, Villa, Kaka, Ronaladino, Henry or Anelka".

And congratulations for identifying the ONE decent side Crouch has scored against in a COMPETITIVE match. Is that the same Croatia Rooney scored two against in Euro 2004? You left out his brace against Andorra, strikers scoring goals against them must be impressing you all the time. So which one's who've scored plenty of goals against the same opposition as Crouch do you want to sign? I'm guessing none, because your argument is weak as water.

like I said, how many times has Crouch played against the best national sides?

Obviously on your theory goals agaisnt "weaker" sides aren't important, so lets just forget 21 goals that Torres has scored this year in the league shall we? Idiot.

Without Crouch's goals against "weaker" sides, the likes of Owen and Rooney wouldn't be going to euros and world cups. And as for this 99 game bollox, how many of those has he started...oh wait yeah I forgot, you class 30 seconds against Everton as one of those games don't you. Again, idiot.

Now, now John...perhaps Owzat is just having a little fun winding people up about Crouch--there's nothing wrong with that from your perspective is there?  As for his selective stats, isn't this just a little bit like including a penalty as a set piece to make your case against zonal marking look stronger or like fabricating fourteen penalties for Ronaldo to suggest he's no better than Pennant?  Come to think of it, weren't you arguing this very thing--that Ronaldo only scores against rubbish teams?   Now that the shoe is on the other foot I'm glad you can see how frustrating it is. 

bob everybody with half a brain cell knew I wasn't serious about the Ronaldo/Pennant arguement. And it was 11 pens, not 14 also, I didn't include penalties as an excuse for zonal marking which you very well know if you read it properly where I stated "bit unfair to blame zonal marking on it" It was from a set peice which penalities are, which was the point I was making so don't pick hairs.

As for this arguement on Crouch, it's pathetic. The fella has proven both at club and international level that he's worthy of a place in any side.