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why does it have to be expensive flops, what about the flops he brought in and wasted salaries on

Ok then who are the flops ? and i mean players that didnt contribute in anywya to the team and were a hinderance when played and didnt help the team or squad in any positive way ?

do you think you could narrow the term for flop any narrower? basically going by those terms everyone must be a brilliant success.

you know full well its not possible under those terms, however i could spend all afternoon writing about the likes of nunez, gonzalez, pellagrino, josemi, morientes, kuyt, pennant et al, as well asall the money wastedon on younger players who will never get near the first team but there would be no point as in your eyes benitez is the second coming of christ

[Ciggy]

  Once players start to moan openly about their managers decisions it usually means the managers on his way out....... or they think they will be!

Good point Saint.

But I dont know why Hyypias having a moan its not like he would have been cup tied for Stoke , Im dissappionted in him TBH.

Gerrards never bloody happy anyway, if he wants to leave then fine.

And as for Carra I love his book but I still think these autobiographies should be brought out after retirement.

He will get dogs abuse in the derby, he is getting slated by the media and on radio shows, as for the rotation he has been very lucky he hasnt been involved in it yet.

[GYBS]

why does it have to be expensive flops, what about the flops he brought in and wasted salaries on

Ok then who are the flops ? and i mean players that didnt contribute in anywya to the team and were a hinderance when played and didnt help the team or squad in any positive way ?

do you think you could narrow the term for flop any narrower? basically going by those terms everyone must be a brilliant success.

you know full well its not possible under those terms, however i could spend all afternoon writing about the likes of nunez, gonzalez, pellagrino, josemi, morientes, kuyt, pennant et al, as well asall the money wastedon on younger players who will never get near the first team but there would be no point as in your eyes benitez is the second coming of christ

well what do you consider a flop then ?

how do you know we have wasted millions on youngsters ?

With regards to youngsters are we any different to any other club ? Is rafa any different to any othe rmanager ?

For me people that havent worked out for the good of the club are

Josemi
Zenden
Palleta
Morientes
Gonzelez
Not goign to mention the youngsters as we have no idea what impact they will make and most of them seem to be doing well so far for the ressies and ones that have featured during pre season have done well

No one has said Rafa is the second coming - he makes mistakes - Just like every other single manager in thr world and ones we have had before.

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i think sami is annoyed that he was only told after the transfer window closed that he was being left out of europe, if he knew before he may have moved

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why does it have to be expensive flops, what about the flops he brought in and wasted salaries on

Ok then who are the flops ? and i mean players that didnt contribute in anywya to the team and were a hinderance when played and didnt help the team or squad in any positive way ?

do you think you could narrow the term for flop any narrower? basically going by those terms everyone must be a brilliant success.

you know full well its not possible under those terms, however i could spend all afternoon writing about the likes of nunez, gonzalez, pellagrino, josemi, morientes, kuyt, pennant et al, as well asall the money wastedon on younger players who will never get near the first team but there would be no point as in your eyes benitez is the second coming of christ

well what do you consider a flop then ?

how do you know we have wasted millions on youngsters ?

With regards to youngsters are we any different to any other club ? Is rafa any different to any othe rmanager ?

For me people that havent worked out for the good of the club are

Josemi
Zenden
Palleta
Morientes
Gonzelez
Not goign to mention the youngsters as we have no idea what impact they will make and most of them seem to be doing well so far for the ressies and ones that have featured during pre season have done well

No one has said Rafa is the second coming - he makes mistakes - Just like every other single manager in thr world and ones we have had before.

why does everything with you have to be compared to other clubs and other managers? just to make this clear I couldnt give two f*cks what other clubs or other managers do, or who they sign or who is in their youth teams.

I am a red mate, born and bred, I am concerned about my club and the fecking farce that it has become on the pitch, discuss your comparisons with someone who thinks they are relevant.

under rafas reign we have had some dross at our club, all signed by him, now unless you think he just signed them for no reason he must have signed them because he thought they were good enough to do a job, this leaves his judgement in doubt. as for his tactics, well the facts speak for themselves there mate and more experienced football people than me question his abilities (and i am talking about ex reds)

best we dont argue any more mate, you have your opinion and i have mine, feel free to answer but I wont respond to it

[GYBS]

If you dont want people to argue points in the case for rafa then stop bleating on about how poor and you think he is - same with certain players - and how many of these ex reds have gone on to become successful managers themselves ? pretty much none of them - will take the word and judgment of a world class manager who has won trophies both here and in spain and in europe over some ex player pundit .

As Rafa says - "whenever i do something all these experts question me - experts in what i ask myself " or something along those lines.

P.S. - previous managers have signed some dross and future managers have signed some dross - if your not used to that by now then unlucky

[Ciggy]

Houllier and his expensive flops: Cisse, Diao, Spit the dog, Biscan, Cheyrou, Le Tallec, Kewell, etc......etc......

[GYBS]

Houllier and his expensive flops: Cisse, Diao, Spit the dog, Biscan, Cheyrou, Le Tallec, Kewell, etc......etc......

Evans and his flops , Souness and his Flops , Kenny and his flops , im pretty sure both Sir Bob Sir Joe and Sir Bill had flops as well , Bob Bill and Joe get forgiven due to the fact they won us many trophies - also Prob Kenny as well due to his trophies and the fact in those days we could compete on a financial level with everyone else.