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Postby heimdall » Thu Aug 28, 2008 5:40 pm

Ciggy wrote:
LegBarnes wrote:Tbh following up on my post i done some math and surely only 6-7% of all liverpool suporters are from liverpool.

Est of around 3-4 million LFC fans liverpool has a pop of around 600k you would say 35% follow LFC so thats about 200k so 200k out of 3-4 million fans isn't a big number.

Bout time this OOTers haters wake up and see with out us liverpool be nothing more then a cocacola league 1 side.

I meen it hasn't got the money to get out of debt atm let alone if it lost 90% of its fans.  :(

Its about time some OOTERS behaved themselves aswell loads of them hate scousers yet support a scouse club ???, you cant have it both ways.

There is some absolute beauts at Anfield now and the reason why OOTERS get the blame is because its the OOTERS behaving like beauts.

For instance reading a copy of The S*n on the Kop.

That makes no sense at all, liking Liverpool and supporting LFC aren't related at all. Just for the record I do actually quite like Liverpool.
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Postby Ciggy » Fri Aug 29, 2008 6:10 am

From The Times

August 29, 2008

Liverpool's owners take another hefty blow

Postponement of stadium building casts further doubt on credibility of Tom Hicks and George Gillett Jr to drive club forward

Oliver Kay

The troubled regime of Tom Hicks and George Gillett Jr at Liverpool suffered another severe blow last night when it emerged that they are preparing to postpone construction of the club's new stadium because of difficulties raising the funds in an unforgiving financial market.

Hicks and Gillett had hoped that the building of a 60,000-capacity stadium on the site at Stanley Park, barely a quarter of a mile from the club's Anfield home, would start within weeks, dispelling some of the concerns about their ability to drive Liverpool forward. But their apparent failure to do so casts further doubt about their credibility as owners, increasing the pressure on them to sell to Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum, the ruler of Dubai.

The American tycoons will play down the significance of this latest setback, saying that the market conditions are not favourable for such large-scale borrowing, but, 18 months after they bought the club, pledging that building would start “within weeks”, it is another embarrassment that they could do without. According to one source, they were recently told by the Royal Bank of Scotland that they could borrow the money required for the £350million project on the condition that they could put up £200million in guarantees, but they have been unable to do so.

The Hicks-Gillett regime has appeared doomed since it emerged that they had invited Dubai International Capital (DIC), the private-equity investment arm of the Dubai Government, to buy a minority stake last October. Hicks blocked DIC's bid to buy the club for
£400million earlier this year, but the Dubai interest remains, albeit now presented as a consortium headed by Sheikh Mohammed, rather than under the DIC banner. The Dubai consortium still expects Hicks and Gillett, whose relationship remains tense, to return to sell within months, aware that their most recent refinancing package is up for renewal in January, albeit with the option of a six-month extension.


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On the pitch, Liverpool's results so far this season have been positive enough - two wins out of two in the Barclays Premier League and progression to the Champions League group stage - but their performances have not. Rafael Benítez, the manager, has expressed overall disappointment and he may be particularly concerned at teething problems with the new strike partnership of Fernando Torres and Robbie Keane.

Another worry is the continuing lack of quality in wide areas, which should be resolved by the arrival of Albert Riera from Espanyol. However, that £8.5million deal had still to be finalised last night, meaning that Liverpool are likely to travel to Aston Villa without him on Sunday.

Dirk Kuyt, who secured their Champions League place on Wednesday night by scoring the only goal of the qualifying tie against Standard Liège in stoppage time at Anfield, admitted that Liverpool have flattered to deceive. “We have had a lot of luck,” the forward said. “We have to improve and it has to happen quickly.”

Liverpool paid a combined £40million for Fernando Torres and Robbie Keane, who arrived from Tottenham Hotspur this summer. So far, neither have matched their form of last season.
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Postby tubby » Fri Aug 29, 2008 9:43 am

So we have to wait till Jan and maybe even July until we even hear a sniff of whats going on with DIC? Beh....fecking joke this is I tell you.
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Postby A.B. 08 » Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:24 am

Biggest robbery of the 21st century, us selling the club to the Yanks that is.
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Postby stmichael » Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:31 am

It's blatantly down to the owners' inability to raise funds for the new stadium

I don't see that as a bad thing. The last thing we need is to put our club in a precarious situation where its unable to repay its debt.
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Postby Scottbot » Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:49 am

It might actually be a blessing in disguise people. The owners HAVE to deliver the stadium but I don't think they can or EVER will be able to do so. I don't think the present climate is going to improve any time soon and unless they sell up there other sports franchises they will not be able to raise anywhere near the required capital. I can't see them being here in 18 months time. Fingers crossed.

I also struggle to see us ever being successful (but then who doesn't!) under their stewardship. I don't think Rafa has helped matters with some of his transfer decisions this off-season but there's no denying that he is working in shoddy conditions for a major football club. If the club was a family it would be the most dysfunctional in the league. Two owners with history who don't like eachother, don't have the money/finance to push forward with their plans for the club. A CEO who has completely lost the faith of the fanbase and most importantly, the manager, yet still keeps his job because he is a porn in the on-going points scoring power-battle for the club. You couldn't write it could you!!!
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Postby lakes10 » Fri Aug 29, 2008 10:50 am

just spoke to my old company, they were going to be putting the fence up around the building site, thet got a call 3 days ago to put a hold on the order. when they asked when do you think you will need the fence they were told. "its a very long way off yet" also found out bids for the contracts to knock down Anfield are still up for grabs and the date for he work to be done by is still 2012.

so if the date for the new gorund is 2011 i hope its on time as we will have no ground by 2012 lol.

something tells me we are never going to get this new ground........in truth i dont care as i love our ground, we should just by out all the homes next to it (yes i know we tried that before) .
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Postby Ciggy » Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:12 pm

Reds Confirm New LFC Stadium Delay
Fri 29 Aug 2008


Further to todays announcement from Liverpool FC regarding the delays facing our new stadium (click here)

Spirit of Shankly have released the following statement:

SOS has been expecting this news for over a week.  It is our firm belief that the owners have neither the resources nor the intention to deliver this project and are using the current economic climate as a subterfuge whilst they attempt to drive up the potential sale value of the football club.

As SOS has maintained throughout this debacle, the owners have no money, no credibility, no honesty, no integrity and no dignity and are not fit custodians of our club.  We demand their immediate resignation and the sale of the club to fit and proper owners. get out of our club lying b@stards.

http://www.spiritofshankly.com/news....ay.html
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Postby metalhead » Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:17 pm

I know SOS are trying really hard, but I don't think the yanks will ever listen to them

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Postby Igor Zidane » Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:23 pm

Here's the official spin from the club. Feckin bullsh!t if i've ever heard it

REDS CONFIRM NEW LFC STADIUM DELAY
Liverpoolfc.tv 29 August 2008 

  Liverpool Football Club have today confirmed that the building of their new stadium will be subject to delay.   A spokesman for the club said: "Our commitment to building a new world class LFC stadium is undiminished. Like many other major development projects in the UK and overseas we are affected by global market conditions and as such work on the project will be delayed in the short term. We will use this period productively and revisit the plans for the stadium to increase its capacity to 73,000 seats."

  http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldow ... 9-0923.htm
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Postby Number 9 » Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:25 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:Here's the official spin from the club. Feckin bullsh!t if i've ever heard it

REDS CONFIRM NEW LFC STADIUM DELAY
Liverpoolfc.tv 29 August 2008 

  Liverpool Football Club have today confirmed that the building of their new stadium will be subject to delay.   A spokesman for the club said: "Our commitment to building a new world class LFC stadium is undiminished. Like many other major development projects in the UK and overseas we are affected by global market conditions and as such work on the project will be delayed in the short term. We will use this period productively and revisit the plans for the stadium to increase its capacity to 73,000 seats."

  http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldow ... 9-0923.htm

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Postby metalhead » Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:27 pm

Number 9 wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:Here's the official spin from the club. Feckin bullsh!t if i've ever heard it

REDS CONFIRM NEW LFC STADIUM DELAY
Liverpoolfc.tv 29 August 2008 

  Liverpool Football Club have today confirmed that the building of their new stadium will be subject to delay.   A spokesman for the club said: "Our commitment to building a new world class LFC stadium is undiminished. Like many other major development projects in the UK and overseas we are affected by global market conditions and as such work on the project will be delayed in the short term. We will use this period productively and revisit the plans for the stadium to increase its capacity to 73,000 seats."

  http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldow ... 9-0923.htm

:D

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Postby Ciggy » Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:31 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:Here's the official spin from the club. Feckin bullsh!t if i've ever heard it

REDS CONFIRM NEW LFC STADIUM DELAY
Liverpoolfc.tv 29 August 2008 

  Liverpool Football Club have today confirmed that the building of their new stadium will be subject to delay.   A spokesman for the club said: "Our commitment to building a new world class LFC stadium is undiminished. Like many other major development projects in the UK and overseas we are affected by global market conditions and as such work on the project will be delayed in the short term. We will use this period productively and revisit the plans for the stadium to increase its capacity to 73,000 seats."

  http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldow ... 9-0923.htm

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Postby account deleted by request » Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:32 pm

The worrying thing is that by the time everything gets sorted and hopefully we have new owners, the price of building the stadium will have gone even higher. Unless we get owners that have long arms and deep pockets, rather than short arms and empty pockets we are going to continue to struggle, both financially and in the transfer market.

I presume we will now lose the grants etc?
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Postby stmichael » Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:35 pm

This WAS Liverpool Football Club.

Now, run remotely by Neco-Con American Capitalists who dismissively deliver manipulated lies via a Murdoch-owned PR firm. Horrible, sad, maddening, upsetting and quite clearly, cack.

F#ck off out of our club now. :veryangry
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