Next season's ideal eleven - What would be your realistic 11?

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Postby Toffeehater » Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:16 pm

Owzat wrote:
RedBlood wrote:
Owzat wrote:
Toffeehater wrote:Reina

Alves                           Carra                   Agger                     Riise


                                              Masch     Lucas
Mcgeady                                                                             Babel

                                                    Gerrard

                                                    Torres

Sign aiden mcgeady from celtic , looks great and TBH i think alonso will be gone in the summer , also maybe sign a creative second foward , diego is out the chavs wanthim adn his price will deffo boom .

So your next season's ideal eleven would sign one player from Celtic and noone else?!?!

cant you see alves at right back??

Missed that one, and no I can't see us signing Alves at RB. Still signing a Celtic player is scraping the barrel a bit

2 players ought to be ok daniel alves , i can see us signing this season , aiden mcgeady , not so likely though , a 3rd for me i forgot to add is a ss , maybe diego/van der vart if possible if not gerrard's good enough for that role , maybe sign robbie keane for rotation
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Postby redmikey » Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:02 pm

ruskiy playmaker wrote:
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ruskiy playmaker wrote:I believe this guy would solve our problems on the right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jERUo8wmqfM

he looks good but if i went down the park with a ball and a video camera i could make a pretty impreesive video on youtube....
id have to see him play live a few times first mate

Yeah I know what you mean, but I'm Russian so I've seen this guy quite a few times and I can tell you that he's really good.  He has everything speed, skill and he's a decent finisher.  In my opinion Bystrov is the best Russian player right now and I believe he's already been linked with a few big clubs.

so he is nothing like pennant then  :D
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Postby god_bless_john_houlding » Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:06 pm

JoeTerp wrote:just like when we signed Dalglish ???

i think there's a difference from McGeady and Dalglish though joe.
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Postby Magz » Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:13 pm

Reina

Rafinha          Carra          Agger           Insua


                Masch     Lucas/Alonso
Bentley                                     Babel

                       Gerrard

                        Torres
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Postby JC_81 » Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:14 pm

McGeady isn't good enough.

He has potential and may yet improve, but he is greedy and his decision making is very poor.  He would not be worth the gamble for the sort of price Celtic would want for him - they rate him very highly.
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Postby god_bless_john_houlding » Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:19 pm

Ashley Young and David Bentley/Aaron Lennon for the two wings. I'd also like us to bring in Micah Richards. All would cost a fair bit though, so they may be a touch unrealistic.
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4) If Torres has scored 60 league goals for Liverpool by the start of the 2011/12 season, I'll say he's better than Owen.
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Postby JC_81 » Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:27 pm

Bentley I do rate.

Young and Lennon I'm not so sure to be honest.  Both are all pace, without necessarily the skill to match imo.  Same goes for Agbonlahor.  These guys are just flavour of the month like Wright-Phillips was a couple of years ago.  Good players but probably not top-4 standard.

Premiership players outside the top 4 I'd consider are:

Bentley, Berbatov, Keane, Richards, Bullard and Petrov.  Arteta is quality too, shame he's a bitter.
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Postby Big Niall » Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:29 pm

I don't even know if he is good enough for  a premiership team nevermind one with title winning aspirations.

I'd sell Pennant, Bennayoun,Kuyt, to raise money, Alonso will be sold, Riise & Kewell won't get new contracts and finnan looks to be on the slide a bit (but keep in squad) to the team should be

              Reina,
Arbeloa,Agger,Carra, Lahm,
Ribery,Masch, SG, Babel
        Torres, Crouch

That is only Lahm and Ribery to come in, the money from the sales (about £25m - £12m for Alonso) shouldn't require too much spending, well prob another £20m!

I feel we need players comfortable on the ball, skrtel looks promising and maybe he should replace Carra in a year if he looks more comfortable, Lahm is a threat down the side.

I'm not convinced by Babel yet but I'd give him one season. That is a title winning team (play reserves in domestic cups and they shouldn't need much resting)

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Postby god_bless_john_houlding » Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:34 pm

john craig wrote:Bentley I do rate.

Young and Lennon I'm not so sure to be honest.  Both are all pace, without necessarily the skill to match imo.  Same goes for Agbonlahor.  These guys are just flavour of the month like Wright-Phillips was a couple of years ago.  Good players but probably not top-4 standard.

Premiership players outside the top 4 I'd consider are:

Bentley, Berbatov, Keane, Richards, Bullard and Petrov.  Arteta is quality too, shame he's a bitter.

Bullard but not Lennon or Young  :laugh:

Berbatov is United or Chelsea bound.

Keane is a realistic target, but not if Berbatov leaves. Spurs won't let their main two forwards go within the same season, especially now Deofe has gone and it seems Bent may be on his way this summer.

Petrov wouldn't be the answer to me, becuase of his age. He'd only be a short term messure.

Richards and Bentley I'd take though. Pricey but worth it.
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3) FIRST WILL ALWAYS BE FIRST AND SECOND WILL ALWAYS BE NOTHING.
4) If Torres has scored 60 league goals for Liverpool by the start of the 2011/12 season, I'll say he's better than Owen.
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Postby JC_81 » Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:55 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Bullard but not Lennon or Young  :laugh:

Yes, Bullard but not Lennon or Young.

Bullard is one of the best passers of the ball in the league, is very creative and can get stuck in too.  Plus he's very good at set pieces.

This is a perfect example of the media warping peoples' judgement.  Lennon and Young are good players, young and English, therefore they get lots of hype and England caps at a young age.  The bottom line is that both are very overrated, inconsistent and wouldn't cut it at a top four club.

Maybe Bullard wouldn't either, but he's the better footballer out of the three and he's a player I would consider should we need a central midfielder to boost the squad in the near future (at the moment we don't).  The fact is he won't get the recognition he deserves because he hasn't played for any high profile teams and has spent a few years in the lower leagues.  He was Wigan's best player and now he's Fulham's best player - it's only a matter of time until a better team takes a punt on him.
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Postby JoeTerp » Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:56 pm

we are not getting TWO players from Bayern. I think Lucio already said he wants out, so they are going to limit how many other players they let leave. I used to rate podolski, but not so much anymore. Ribery would be nice if we could get him. Once again, I don't see us getting anybody from Aston Villa, Blackburn, Spurs, or City. WHY WOULD THEY SELL TO US? Maybe we could get blackburn players because they don't have much in the funds category, but still they would only sell knowing if they could find an equal replacement AND add to their team meaning, it would more than likely be a better use of funds for us to buy elsewhere.

To me, it seems like the only kind of talent that we are going to get from other top half prem clubs right now is Craig Bellamy or Yossi Bennayoun, and right now we need to look for players that are better than that. If we try and get a agbonlahor or young, we are going to be working off of competitive prices such as 17 mil for Bent and 15 for Anelka.  I would also think it to be very tough for us to get a non-disgruntled player from the likes of Lyon, Bayern Munich, Porto, and all the bigger euro powers of spain and italy like the Milans and Barca (unless its a player like Luis Garcia). I think nando from atletico is a good example of the type of player and team we need to look at, that would be Marseille, Roma, Lazio, Valencia (this summer) Werder Bremen etc.    Also we should always be looking at Ajax, PSV, Boca, River, Sao Paulo, fluminense, corinthians, etc at well as the top stand out players in the Check republic, Hungary, Finland, Norway, Denmark, Turkey, Russia and all those types of places where we found Skrtel, Agger, and Nemeth
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Postby slickrick » Fri Mar 21, 2008 7:09 pm

reina

      zambrotta    carra    skrtel     aurelio

                    masch    alonso 

     quaresma         gerrard         babel

                            torres       

quaresma would cost about 20 mill and zambrotta not much as he's not a regular with barca.
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Postby maypaxvobiscum » Fri Mar 21, 2008 7:27 pm

here are some. i personally remember seeing rothen play and i see him as a solution to the left wing while odonkor could do the right.


def - sagnol, phillp lahm, juan sorin, chivu,

mid - van der vaart, odonkor, nigel de jong, diego, rothen, nasri, kallstrom, lubos kalouda,

str - muslimovic, saviola,
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Postby ruskiy playmaker » Fri Mar 21, 2008 7:39 pm

JoeTerp wrote:we are not getting TWO players from Bayern. I think Lucio already said he wants out, so they are going to limit how many other players they let leave. I used to rate podolski, but not so much anymore. Ribery would be nice if we could get him. Once again, I don't see us getting anybody from Aston Villa, Blackburn, Spurs, or City. WHY WOULD THEY SELL TO US? Maybe we could get blackburn players because they don't have much in the funds category, but still they would only sell knowing if they could find an equal replacement AND add to their team meaning, it would more than likely be a better use of funds for us to buy elsewhere.

To me, it seems like the only kind of talent that we are going to get from other top half prem clubs right now is Craig Bellamy or Yossi Bennayoun, and right now we need to look for players that are better than that. If we try and get a agbonlahor or young, we are going to be working off of competitive prices such as 17 mil for Bent and 15 for Anelka.  I would also think it to be very tough for us to get a non-disgruntled player from the likes of Lyon, Bayern Munich, Porto, and all the bigger euro powers of spain and italy like the Milans and Barca (unless its a player like Luis Garcia). I think nando from atletico is a good example of the type of player and team we need to look at, that would be Marseille, Roma, Lazio, Valencia (this summer) Werder Bremen etc.    Also we should always be looking at Ajax, PSV, Boca, River, Sao Paulo, fluminense, corinthians, etc at well as the top stand out players in the Check republic, Hungary, Finland, Norway, Denmark, Turkey, Russia and all those types of places where we found Skrtel, Agger, and Nemeth

Good post Joe, we're not going to go after top players from big teams like some people think on here.  Rafa will probably be looking for talented players in smaller teams from all around the world.  There are very talented players in Eastern Europe and in South America who are not well known.
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Postby god_bless_john_houlding » Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:39 pm

john craig wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:Bullard but not Lennon or Young  :laugh:

Yes, Bullard but not Lennon or Young.

Bullard is one of the best passers of the ball in the league, is very creative and can get stuck in too.  Plus he's very good at set pieces.

This is a perfect example of the media warping peoples' judgement.  Lennon and Young are good players, young and English, therefore they get lots of hype and England caps at a young age.  The bottom line is that both are very overrated, inconsistent and wouldn't cut it at a top four club.

Maybe Bullard wouldn't either, but he's the better footballer out of the three and he's a player I would consider should we need a central midfielder to boost the squad in the near future (at the moment we don't).  The fact is he won't get the recognition he deserves because he hasn't played for any high profile teams and has spent a few years in the lower leagues.  He was Wigan's best player and now he's Fulham's best player - it's only a matter of time until a better team takes a punt on him.

I agree Bullard has talent but he isn't worth a place in a top four side. His enthuism is second to none, his crossing ability from open play or set pieces are usually of a high standard but I think a Newcastle or Middlesbrough is his standard. A mid table side who may have a lucky season and make the top six.

Young and Lennon I think would suit our system. Sheer natural pace, who will chip in with a few goals. I don't think we'll get both, but I'd be happy if we could get one of the two. Unless we can grab Bentley of course.

Other transfers, I like Benni McCarthy as a stop gap as someone who could play when required. I've NEVER rated James Milner but this season he looked like he's reaching the potentional. Micah Richards is highly rated by me. His team mate Michael Johnson is someone I think has a bright future but maybe not for us. Robbie Keane is a possible transfer but the price may be closer to 20 million then 10 million. One player who I've been impressed with this season and hasn't been given the credit he deserves is Sully Muntari of Portsmouth. I think we could get him for the left wing and wouldn't cost to much. There's two leftbacks who I'd like to take a punt on, both play in the north west. One is Stephen Warnock (who I always rated when he was at Anfield) and the other is unfortunately Joleon Lescott. He's got the talent and ability to play in a top four side. There's plenty of options there from the Prem for you to consider.
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4) If Torres has scored 60 league goals for Liverpool by the start of the 2011/12 season, I'll say he's better than Owen.
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