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Postby LFC2007 » Sat Jun 26, 2010 6:47 pm

Molby's bellybutton fluff wrote:Also, someone said they can't believe the level of support Hodgson is getting. That surprises me. We are the best fans in the land, so surely showing a bloke who is rumoured to be our future manager a little bit of respect is the least we can all do. Like I said before, I couldn't stand the "fat Spanish waiter" stuff, and the "Woy" jibes are every bit as bad if he does become the manager.

You called Rafa a sheister, called into question his integrity and likened him to the owners. If that's any standard to go by then you can hardly expect people to be as forgiving toward the new guy - appointed by the owners no less.
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Postby kazza » Sat Jun 26, 2010 7:10 pm

Former Liverpool manager Rafa Benitez has hit out at managing director Christian Purslow for the handling of his departure.

The Spanish tactician ended his six-year Anfield reign by mutual consent after failing to lead his side to qualification for next season's UEFA Champions League.

He has since become manager of Serie A champions Inter Milan following the departure of Jose Mourinho to Real Madrid.

The 50-year-old admits it was tough to leave the Merseyside club, but has hit out at Purslow, who arrived at Liverpool last June, for prompting his exit.

"It was really sad," he told Radio City.

"I was on holiday so it was a surprise that everything was going on in this way, but at the end of the day it has to be like this because Christian Purslow is now in charge and he decided to do it in this way. That is it.

"It is really sad but you have to move forwards. I said to my family that we cannot stay talking too much or complain too much, we have to move forwards.

"The people of Liverpool are fighters and I was fighting from the beginning until the end. Now I have to do the same and I have to be thinking about the future.

"I was really pleased here, the fans were amazing, but I can't stand around complaining. I have to move forward and do my best for my new club."

Liverpool are still on the lookout for a new manager, although there is still uncertainty behind the scenes at Anfield.

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With American owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett looking to sell the club, Benitez confirmed that there were unwelcome changes following the arrival of the men from the USA.

"It's strange. This year everything changed from the beginning," he added.

"People in the club changed and the approach to everything was different. Clearly it was a question in the beginning of controlling the money we could spend or not, and everything was different to the past.

"We were so close to winning the title the year before that everybody was expecting something more but we couldn't do it.

"We had some problems from the beginning with injuries and some performances, and there was a little bit of frustration.

"At the end the atmosphere was different and we can see now during the summer that the fans are not very happy."
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Postby Emerald Red » Sat Jun 26, 2010 7:33 pm

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Molby's bellybutton fluff wrote:Also, someone said they can't believe the level of support Hodgson is getting. That surprises me. We are the best fans in the land, so surely showing a bloke who is rumoured to be our future manager a little bit of respect is the least we can all do. Like I said before, I couldn't stand the "fat Spanish waiter" stuff, and the "Woy" jibes are every bit as bad if he does become the manager.

You called Rafa a sheister, called into question his integrity and likened him to the owners. If that's any standard to go by then you can hardly expect people to be as forgiving toward the new guy - appointed by the owners no less.

Exactly. Someone said a few posts back that Rafa got entrenched too much into the clubs politics, speaking like it was actually a bad thing on his and our behalf. I'd sooner take a manager who would fight for the values of everything this club stands for from the inside, than back a new manager appointed by a bunch of b@stards knowing that they can give that manager the reach around, make him bend over and touch his ankles without so much of a complaint from him whatosever. Any manager that is worth his salt won't succumb to this. But put no marks like Hodgson or MON in the seat, and they'd bend over rightly just to be manager at LFC.

BTW, I don't exactly see a glut of these world class managers currently beating down our door at the moment. I wonder why that is.
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Postby Molby's bellybutton fluff » Sat Jun 26, 2010 7:55 pm

Until we get new owners tho, any new manager who comes in will be appointed by them so to slag off a new bloke on those grounds is plain stupid. It's not the new managers fault who the owners are any more than it's my fault, and it's not the new managers fault that a large section of fans are going to get on his case from day one.

As for the World class managers, most of them have already got jobs I reckon. I would get a bit worried if we were offering the job around and nobody wanted it, but I've always thought that once people are asked, they'd like to manage LFC and no mistake. Lets not forget there's a World Cup on, and the football World is kind of busy right now.

In some ways the club can't win. If they'd put someone in charge the day after Rafa left everyone would have accused them of plotting while Rafa was still there, or said they had rushed into it. Now there is a process going on which is taking time, people are saying they should have had someone in mind beforehand, or should be getting it done. I think once the World Cup is finished up, there will be flurries of transfer activity and the managers merry go around will get well and truly up and running again.

I can understand you getting worked up mate, but chill out a bit and see what happens.
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Postby shabelle50 » Sat Jun 26, 2010 8:17 pm

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He got away with it at Valencia because he inherited a title winning squad from Cuper.


Hector Cuper didnt win the league with Valencia, Benitez was the 1st to do that since 1971

Benitez won la liga twice at Valencia thanks to the squad he inherited from Cuper. In 2000-2001 Cuper's last season at Valencia they were third in the table 6 points behind the eventual champions.

In 2004 Liverpool were 30 points behind the champions Arsenal. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out how much easier Benitez's job at Valencia was.
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Postby shabelle50 » Sat Jun 26, 2010 8:26 pm

kazza wrote:Former Liverpool manager Rafa Benitez has hit out at managing director Christian Purslow for the handling of his departure.

The Spanish tactician ended his six-year Anfield reign by mutual consent after failing to lead his side to qualification for next season's UEFA Champions League.

He has since become manager of Serie A champions Inter Milan following the departure of Jose Mourinho to Real Madrid.

The 50-year-old admits it was tough to leave the Merseyside club, but has hit out at Purslow, who arrived at Liverpool last June, for prompting his exit.

"It was really sad," he told Radio City.

"I was on holiday so it was a surprise that everything was going on in this way, but at the end of the day it has to be like this because Christian Purslow is now in charge and he decided to do it in this way. That is it.

"It is really sad but you have to move forwards. I said to my family that we cannot stay talking too much or complain too much, we have to move forwards.

"The people of Liverpool are fighters and I was fighting from the beginning until the end. Now I have to do the same and I have to be thinking about the future.

"I was really pleased here, the fans were amazing, but I can't stand around complaining. I have to move forward and do my best for my new club."

Liverpool are still on the lookout for a new manager, although there is still uncertainty behind the scenes at Anfield.

Changes
With American owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett looking to sell the club, Benitez confirmed that there were unwelcome changes following the arrival of the men from the USA.

"It's strange. This year everything changed from the beginning," he added.

"People in the club changed and the approach to everything was different. Clearly it was a question in the beginning of controlling the money we could spend or not, and everything was different to the past.

"We were so close to winning the title the year before that everybody was expecting something more but we couldn't do it.

"We had some problems from the beginning with injuries and some performances, and there was a little bit of frustration.

"At the end the atmosphere was different and we can see now during the summer that the fans are not very happy."

Just a minute this was the summer of 2009 Benitez had supposedly signed a new contract which gave him greater control over transfers and the academy. If things suddenly changed at the end of 08-09 with the finances why didn't Benitez walk then? Perhaps because there were no jobs to walk straight into?

As for the spending and 08-09 in the summer window of 08 Benitez brought in Keane, Dossena and Riera. Keane was sold within six months, Dossena was a disaster, Riera was good in patches. In the summer of 09 Benitez chose to ditch Arbeloa for fear of losing him a year later on a Bosman to buy Johnson rather than a striker as back up for Torres. When Alonso was sold instead of getting in someone proven like Van De Vaart he bought an injured Italian who wasn't fit for three months and then when he was fit apparently wasn't ready for the premiership.

Purslow is just a stooge employed by the Americans but really Rafa you can do better than this when it comes to the truth.
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Postby NANNY RED » Sat Jun 26, 2010 8:32 pm

Dundalk wrote:Is Woy here yet?


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NO THANK GOD , AND HES NOT COMING  :;):
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Postby Ben Patrick » Sat Jun 26, 2010 8:49 pm

NANNY RED wrote:
Dundalk wrote:Is Woy here yet?


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NO THANK GOD , AND HES NOT COMING  :;):

Tell me more nanster i am intrigued
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Postby Ciggy » Sat Jun 26, 2010 8:53 pm

NANNY RED wrote:
Dundalk wrote:Is Woy here yet?


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NO THANK GOD , AND HES NOT COMING  :;):

Ohhhhhhh feckinell look at him in them shades  :laugh:

Theres just some things that are right or wrong and he is wrong for our club, no matter who says he's right.

You get feelings about people who join Liverpool and to me he's about as welcome as Voronin.
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Postby boodiddy1 » Sat Jun 26, 2010 9:42 pm

Ciggy and Nan, change the record will you! You really have to forget about rafa and instead of calling hodgson, why dont you back him? In fact put a name forward! Forget Kenny, its a fairytale, this is real life.

Deschamps?? OK, lets fill the academy with french kids! Oh sorry, we did  that and got nothing. A serie B title and a french championship with big spending marseille. A case of a poorer Lyon domestically.

Rijkaard, Lippi, Hitzfeld, Ericsson?? No chance and not right for us at the present moment.

Domestically, lets look at MON, Big Sam, Hughes, Mclaren, Gollum etc etc!
Do you really think any of these are better than a calming influence like Hodgson? A footballing man like Sir Bobby, our Joe etc!

Its depressing this place, becoming more and more militant. Becoming a very poor forum due to the negativity being spouted.

I really cant understand how some think Roy is going to be a disaster! Much better than Houllier ever was. We will get a style back that is suited to us, rather than Rafa's stifling formations. Istanbul was great! So was Dortmund! But, they are both History and mistakes were made afterwards by our two former managers. Diouf, diao, Le-tallec, look at Keane, Dossena, Riera!!

I really dont want us looking at Deschamps as a possibiliity. This club is going to have to bring through its youngsters shortly, and having a british manager, will allow the chances of the local lads to get a fair crack of the whip! We might be able to persuade the Rooneys, Rodwells etc of joining our acadamies at an early age.

BTW, its my view and remember its a forum not a witch hunt. :p
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Postby Ciggy » Sat Jun 26, 2010 9:53 pm

boodiddy1 wrote:Ciggy and Nan, change the record will you! You really have to forget about rafa and instead of calling hodgson, why dont you back him?

Speaking for myself this is the most deflating, uninspiring managerial person that this club could ever make.

Just cause the Biritsh media love him doesnt mean I have to, you just wait and see the knives will be before Freddy Kruger has took them out of his pocket from the british media and our fans.
People are saying yeah but look at our team he will get more out of them than Rafa did, who is going to be left from that team from last season?

He would get more out of babel and Reira if they stayed but I think Reira is a gona, so whos left? Plus we have been linked with the Wolves goalkeeper how does that one work without a manager?

The whole club is fecked from top to bottom it stinks.
Roy wants the job because we are Liverpool the board want him cause he's cheap and wont have to give him a 5 year contract and thats about the truth of it.

If your happy with mediocracy then thats your choice I however am not, Fulham finished on a minus goal difference ffs.
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Postby boodiddy1 » Sat Jun 26, 2010 9:59 pm

Ciggy wrote:
boodiddy1 wrote:Ciggy and Nan, change the record will you! You really have to forget about rafa and instead of calling hodgson, why dont you back him?

Speaking for myself this is the most deflating, uninspiring managerial person that this club could ever make.

Just cause the Biritsh media love him doesnt mean I have to, you just wait and see the knives will be before Freddy Kruger has took them out of his pocket from the british media and our fans.
People are saying yeah but look at our team he will get more out of them than Rafa did, who is going to be left from that team from last season?

He would get more out of babel and Reira if they stayed but I think Reira is a gona, so whos left? Plus we have been linked with the Wolves goalkeeper how does that one work without a manager?

The whole club is fecked from top to bottom it stinks.
Roy wants the job because we are Liverpool the board want him cause he's cheap and wont have to give him a 5 year contract and thats about the truth of it.

If your happy with mediocracy then thats your choice I however am not, Fulham finished on a minus goal difference ffs.

Yes Cig? But it was Fulham. Our squad isnt that bad, honestly! Masch will go, nothing any manager coming in can do about that. But, who would you want??

I dont want mediocrity!! Hodgson , i really believe wont give us that. What im getting at, is who do you want??

We are in a terrible place regarding ownership, finances, you know?? 

So who?
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Postby Ciggy » Sat Jun 26, 2010 10:02 pm

boodiddy1 wrote:So who?

Seriously I have no idea, but not Hodgson it will be on par with fat Sam, Phil Brown that type. Dont believe the hype.
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Postby boodiddy1 » Sat Jun 26, 2010 10:14 pm

I dont believe the hype cos i really dont think there is much anyhow! He's much better than sam and his ilk etc.

The owners  will make or break this club. Not Hodgson, Benitez, Kenny etc
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Postby fergieisawhiskeynosedtw@t » Sat Jun 26, 2010 10:20 pm

Ciggy wrote:
boodiddy1 wrote:So who?

Seriously I have no idea, but not Hodgson it will be on par with fat Sam, Phil Brown that type. Dont believe the hype.

yep, you have no idea but that does not the non-stop bile towards Roy Hodgson.
We are heavily in debt, all the top players want out (apparently) and we are heading towards the darkest moment in our history.
Who the feck would want to come to us? you have enough to say about Roy Hodgson but when asked about possible alternatives are clueless.
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