Liverpool FC Forum

[Molby's bellybutton fluff]

I'm pretty optimistic mate. I am pretty sure that even if we have to sell a couple of players, provided the manager is given a reasonable portion of it to buy some new players we'll finish higher than 7th in the next season. I also reckon that we might be able to beat Reading at home in the cup if we draw them again.

I do understand peoples despair and depression though, I agree with it in some respects. Having to sit through the dross we served up last season was enough to get anybody down in the dumps, and some of our best players potentially leaving as we are not in the Champions League is really annoying, even though it's inevitable.

I believe in a new dawn though, and I'm very hopeful that whoever comes in will do a decent job. I'm going to be supporting them anyhow, whoever it is.

[In and Out]

I think the optimist's shift is over in here.

There is a fine line between optimism and naivety/delusion...

My comment was meant to read 'supportive' but I suppose there is a fine line between that and blind faith.

[Penguins]

I don't get it when people say "I would be willing to give him a chance" when talking about Deschamps, I really don't. That or the "well I'll give until Christmas" about Hodgson.

Surely the new manager of Liverpool whoever they are deserve support and respect. I think the new manager should be given a fair crack of the whip. At least a few seasons to see how he gets on, Houliier had six, Benitez had six (the last four trophyless) and thats how it should be at a great club such as ours. Between them they managed one title challenge in twelve seasons, and now you've got people saying that the new manager won't win the league because he's sht. Winning the league isn't easy, even challenging for it isn't easy as Houllier and Benitez proved.

No doubt if it is Deschamps they'll be taking the mickey out of his hieght, his accent and all the rest. They've already gotten into Roy Hodgson with all the "Woy" stuff and we haven't even taken him on. Why don't we just concentrate on the football and give any new manager a chance to see how he gets on? Step one is trying to better 7th in the league, and perhaps get to the quater finals of one of the domestic cups. An appearance at Wembley sometime over the next few seasons wouldn't go amiss either, surely if Portsmouth can do it Liverpool can.

Expressing your dissapointment and concern over a managerial appointment has for me little to do with backing the manager.

Once a manager is installed he'll get my full backing but that doesn't stop med from questioning the motives for the sacking of the previous manager and the hiring of the new manager.

Could you please give me a sane footballing reason for paying 8-9 million to switch Rafa for Roy?
I can not.

[Maickito]

Could you please give me a sane footballing reason for paying 8-9 million to switch Rafa for Roy?

We haven't even appointed him and secondly that question can only be answered in 12 months time amigo !

[Molby's bellybutton fluff]

I think the 8-9 million quoted is probably the 6 million which it was reported we paid Rafa off with (which has since been disputed), added to some compensation we'd have to pay for Hodgson (if he is the new manager of course). You haven't taken into account though that Benitez's contract had another four years to run, on a big salary. My guess is a Hodgson would be on considerably less, which would make the 9 million initial outlay much smaller over time.

So the first part is that I woudl dispute if it is Hodgson that it woul cost us 9 million quid. As far as the football goes, the crusial point is this. I think with the group of players we had at our disposal last season, Roy Hodgson would have finished higher than 7th. Obviously I don't know this for sure, but I am pretty sure he would have. You on the other hand, judging from your posts here, don't think he would have. You perhaps think that a team including Gerrard and Torres and Reina and Masherano would have been fighting relegation under Hodgson, wouldn't even have got a draw at Reading in the first place, or wouldn't have even beaten that weak team twice 1-0 in the group stages of the Champions League.

The reality is tho that nobody really knows, it's only a guess.

[maguskwt]

Snr.Benitez won 2 cups in 6 years, one was the champions league ( we were no where near the best team in europe that year, we came 5th in the league )

Every manager is a risk.......although I'm not the biggest Hodgeson fan I do feel it odd that Deschamps is praised for a serie B title , a french title and doing well last year with Marseille...............

Those excited by Deschamps then should be equally excited about Hodgeson who has probably won more trophies, speaks more languages, has managed in the english league before,  more matured and so on

I really do believe its a case of his name sounding more french and exciting.

I think the French League is better than the Swedish League... 

[maguskwt]

Actually I wouldn't mind Ottmar Hitzfeld...

[Maickito]

I think the French League is better than the Swedish League...

Every thing is relative !

[In and Out]

Actually I wouldn't mind Ottmar Hitzfeld...

Yes, his name has a nice foreign ring to it.

[maguskwt]

Actually I wouldn't mind Ottmar Hitzfeld...

Yes, his name has a nice foreign ring to it.

errrrr....

he has won MULTIPLE Bundeliga's with Borussia Dortmund and Bayern Munchen as well as 2 Champions League titles with Both of those clubs... On top of that he was voted the best ever Bundesliga coach of all time...

Looking for a Manager shouldn't be about race/nationality... it should be about credentials and achievements... just as buying players shouldn't be about race/nationality but his quality and skills...

So... if you people have stopped accusing others of prefering managers because of their race or nationality, I'm gonna go watch Uruguay and South Korea... Thank You...

[maypaxvobiscum]

I don't get it when people say "I would be willing to give him a chance" when talking about Deschamps, I really don't. That or the "well I'll give until Christmas" about Hodgson.

Surely the new manager of Liverpool whoever they are deserve support and respect. I think the new manager should be given a fair crack of the whip. At least a few seasons to see how he gets on, Houliier had six, Benitez had six (the last four trophyless) and thats how it should be at a great club such as ours. Between them they managed one title challenge in twelve seasons, and now you've got people saying that the new manager won't win the league because he's sht. Winning the league isn't easy, even challenging for it isn't easy as Houllier and Benitez proved.

No doubt if it is Deschamps they'll be taking the mickey out of his hieght, his accent and all the rest. They've already gotten into Roy Hodgson with all the "Woy" stuff and we haven't even taken him on. Why don't we just concentrate on the football and give any new manager a chance to see how he gets on? Step one is trying to better 7th in the league, and perhaps get to the quater finals of one of the domestic cups. An appearance at Wembley sometime over the next few seasons wouldn't go amiss either, surely if Portsmouth can do it Liverpool can.

Expressing your dissapointment and concern over a managerial appointment has for me little to do with backing the manager.

Once a manager is installed he'll get my full backing but that doesn't stop med from questioning the motives for the sacking of the previous manager and the hiring of the new manager.

Could you please give me a sane footballing reason for paying 8-9 million to switch Rafa for Roy?
I can not.

motives? rafa's time is up and he was going nowhere with his style of play, silly substitutions, player management skills (or lack of),  transfer dealings, etc etc etc.

he brought us as far as he could and thats it. its over. he is gone. even the players were baffled at the previous manager's methods. its now time for a fresh approach and new ideas.

[Penguins]

I think the 8-9 million quoted is probably the 6 million which it was reported we paid Rafa off with (which has since been disputed), added to some compensation we'd have to pay for Hodgson (if he is the new manager of course). You haven't taken into account though that Benitez's contract had another four years to run, on a big salary. My guess is a Hodgson would be on considerably less, which would make the 9 million initial outlay much smaller over time.

So the first part is that I woudl dispute if it is Hodgson that it woul cost us 9 million quid. As far as the football goes, the crusial point is this. I think with the group of players we had at our disposal last season, Roy Hodgson would have finished higher than 7th. Obviously I don't know this for sure, but I am pretty sure he would have. You on the other hand, judging from your posts here, don't think he would have. You perhaps think that a team including Gerrard and Torres and Reina and Masherano would have been fighting relegation under Hodgson, wouldn't even have got a draw at Reading in the first place, or wouldn't have even beaten that weak team twice 1-0 in the group stages of the Champions League.

The reality is tho that nobody really knows, it's only a guess.

Sure if you isolate Rafa's achievement to just the last season I'd say there might be an argument for us finishing higher than 7th last season.

But I prefer to look at the big picture if if you instead as me if with the same squad roy would get us to 2nd with this squad and get our highest points total ever, I'd laugh at your question.

Do you really believe Roy will make us qualify to the CL 5 out of 6 season if he stayed for 6 years?
Win the CL?
Win the FA cup?
Make us a force in europe?
Just a few points from the title?

No chance!

[maypaxvobiscum]

I think the 8-9 million quoted is probably the 6 million which it was reported we paid Rafa off with (which has since been disputed), added to some compensation we'd have to pay for Hodgson (if he is the new manager of course). You haven't taken into account though that Benitez's contract had another four years to run, on a big salary. My guess is a Hodgson would be on considerably less, which would make the 9 million initial outlay much smaller over time.

So the first part is that I woudl dispute if it is Hodgson that it woul cost us 9 million quid. As far as the football goes, the crusial point is this. I think with the group of players we had at our disposal last season, Roy Hodgson would have finished higher than 7th. Obviously I don't know this for sure, but I am pretty sure he would have. You on the other hand, judging from your posts here, don't think he would have. You perhaps think that a team including Gerrard and Torres and Reina and Masherano would have been fighting relegation under Hodgson, wouldn't even have got a draw at Reading in the first place, or wouldn't have even beaten that weak team twice 1-0 in the group stages of the Champions League.

The reality is tho that nobody really knows, it's only a guess.

Sure if you isolate Rafa's achievement to just the last season I'd say there might be an argument for us finishing higher than 7th last season.

But I prefer to look at the big picture if if you instead as me if with the same squad roy would get us to 2nd with this squad and get our highest points total ever, I'd laugh at your question.

Do you really believe Roy will make us qualify to the CL 5 out of 6 season if he stayed for 6 years?
Win the CL?
Win the FA cup?
Make us a force in europe?
Just a few points from the title?

No chance!

care to share the next sweepstakes? 

[Penguins]

Are you kidding me???

You honestly believe there is even a shred of chance Roy Hodgson will achieve anything close to that in 6 years???

Just look at his trophy resume thus far...

[maguskwt]

care to share the next sweepstakes? 

Like Obama said " you can put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig"...

It doesn't take a rocket scientist or a fortune teller to see whether Hodgson is a good or bad manager... He's an above average manager and that's it...