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Postby Number 9 » Sat Feb 14, 2009 8:13 pm

s@int wrote:
woof woof ! wrote:
s@int wrote:Well maybe its you that should f. off Woof its you that seems to be having the problem with this thread not me .

Any way you want it Woof. I think you were out of order and I said so, I think you are out of order now too. So you can either like it or lump it as far as I am concerned.

I don't have a problem with the thread. I do however have a problem with the number of kunts who infest it.

Maybe you're right (for once), perhaps I should f'uck off.  Five years in the forum and the number of "plastic" supporters like yourself in here are really wearing me down.

I think we both know there's only one plastic supporter arguing here mate, and its not me.

If you tried making a football post every once in a while it might be a help, rather than moaning about what other people are posting.

Feckin hell you two calm it down a bit..or I will have no other option than to issue cards! :D
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Postby account deleted by request » Sat Feb 14, 2009 8:15 pm

Number 9 wrote:
s@int wrote:
woof woof ! wrote:
s@int wrote:Well maybe its you that should f. off Woof its you that seems to be having the problem with this thread not me .

Any way you want it Woof. I think you were out of order and I said so, I think you are out of order now too. So you can either like it or lump it as far as I am concerned.

I don't have a problem with the thread. I do however have a problem with the number of kunts who infest it.

Maybe you're right (for once), perhaps I should f'uck off.  Five years in the forum and the number of "plastic" supporters like yourself in here are really wearing me down.

I think we both know there's only one plastic supporter arguing here mate, and its not me.

If you tried making a football post every once in a while it might be a help, rather than moaning about what other people are posting.

Feckin hell you two calm it down a bit..or I will have no other option than to issue cards! :D

Sorry Barry  :D . If you want to argue Woof do it in PM, no point in ruining a great thread.
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Postby woof woof ! » Sat Feb 14, 2009 8:18 pm

s@int wrote:
woof woof ! wrote:
s@int wrote:Well maybe its you that should f. off Woof its you that seems to be having the problem with this thread not me .

Any way you want it Woof. I think you were out of order and I said so, I think you are out of order now too. So you can either like it or lump it as far as I am concerned.

I don't have a problem with the thread. I do however have a problem with the number of kunts who infest it.

Maybe you're right (for once), perhaps I should f'uck off.  Five years in the forum and the number of "plastic" supporters like yourself in here are really wearing me down.

I think we both know there's only one plastic supporter arguing here mate, and its not me.

If you tried making a football post every once in a while it might be a help, rather than moaning about what other people are posting.

:laugh:

Ouch !

I've just been bitten by a mosquito.

If you tried making a football post every once in a while it might be a help


Probably don't make as many as you but then again unlike you if I've got something stupid to say I prefer to keep it to myself.
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Postby account deleted by request » Sat Feb 14, 2009 8:24 pm

woof woof ! wrote:
s@int wrote:
woof woof ! wrote:
s@int wrote:Well maybe its you that should f. off Woof its you that seems to be having the problem with this thread not me .

Any way you want it Woof. I think you were out of order and I said so, I think you are out of order now too. So you can either like it or lump it as far as I am concerned.

I don't have a problem with the thread. I do however have a problem with the number of kunts who infest it.

Maybe you're right (for once), perhaps I should f'uck off.  Five years in the forum and the number of "plastic" supporters like yourself in here are really wearing me down.

I think we both know there's only one plastic supporter arguing here mate, and its not me.

If you tried making a football post every once in a while it might be a help, rather than moaning about what other people are posting.

:laugh:

Ouch !

I've just been bitten by a mosquito.

If you tried making a football post every once in a while it might be a help


Probably don't make as many as you but then again unlike you if I've got something stupid to say I prefer to keep it to myself.

Pity you didn't start thinking like that before you posted your usual cr@p in here then isn't it.
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Postby Number 9 » Sat Feb 14, 2009 8:25 pm

s@int wrote:
Number 9 wrote:
s@int wrote:
woof woof ! wrote:
s@int wrote:Well maybe its you that should f. off Woof its you that seems to be having the problem with this thread not me .

Any way you want it Woof. I think you were out of order and I said so, I think you are out of order now too. So you can either like it or lump it as far as I am concerned.

I don't have a problem with the thread. I do however have a problem with the number of kunts who infest it.

Maybe you're right (for once), perhaps I should f'uck off.  Five years in the forum and the number of "plastic" supporters like yourself in here are really wearing me down.

I think we both know there's only one plastic supporter arguing here mate, and its not me.

If you tried making a football post every once in a while it might be a help, rather than moaning about what other people are posting.

Feckin hell you two calm it down a bit..or I will have no other option than to issue cards! :D

Sorry Barry  :D . If you want to argue Woof do it in PM, no point in ruining a great thread.

Im standing in for Bob tonight(im a mod)..He's out on a date,so he asked me to cover for him!

I just feel sorry for the poor moose with Bob bogged up its jacksy.But I said Id do him a favour!

Behave you two..or I will have no option than to send you both to the scrubs! :D
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Postby Effes » Sat Feb 14, 2009 8:28 pm

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JBG wrote:One thing I have noticed on RAWK and also from some posters here is that there's a perception that if you criticise the manager then somehow you are a lesser supporter, as if sticking with a manager, through thick and thin somehow equates to having a higher moral fibre, better character and greater football knowledge and intelligence.

Its not. Rafa has been here a while, the problems are deep rooted, many of our problems are of his own making through mistakes or neglect and he won't solve them overnight.

I know where you are coming from.I dont think though that its any thing to do with being a lesser or better fan though.

Some people myself included hold on to hope longer than others.Its very hard to accept that after the time he has been given Rafa does not seem to have what it takes to progress in the EPL,unless a miracle happens now though its looking like sooner or later EVERY fan is going to have to accept that is the case.

Its dejavu im afraid,every time we get a new manager the expectations are the same and in the end the results fail to make us happy!

I never thought id say it but it probably is time Rafa moved on now.

Getting back to the things discussed in the thread.

Ive just highlighted this bit to show, everyone's opinions can change.(Sorry Barry :D )
I know mine do; well they can fluctuate.

It's not being fickle, it's just a reflection of how you feel about the "situation" as you see it at the time.
Opinions are not tied indefinitley to the mast.
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Postby Number 9 » Sat Feb 14, 2009 8:41 pm

Effes wrote:
Number 9 wrote:
JBG wrote:One thing I have noticed on RAWK and also from some posters here is that there's a perception that if you criticise the manager then somehow you are a lesser supporter, as if sticking with a manager, through thick and thin somehow equates to having a higher moral fibre, better character and greater football knowledge and intelligence.

Its not. Rafa has been here a while, the problems are deep rooted, many of our problems are of his own making through mistakes or neglect and he won't solve them overnight.

I know where you are coming from.I dont think though that its any thing to do with being a lesser or better fan though.

Some people myself included hold on to hope longer than others.Its very hard to accept that after the time he has been given Rafa does not seem to have what it takes to progress in the EPL,unless a miracle happens now though its looking like sooner or later EVERY fan is going to have to accept that is the case.

Its dejavu im afraid,every time we get a new manager the expectations are the same and in the end the results fail to make us happy!

I never thought id say it but it probably is time Rafa moved on now.

Getting back to the things discussed in the thread.

Ive just highlighted this bit to show, everyone's opinions can change.(Sorry Barry :D )
I know mine do; well they can fluctuate.

It's not being fickle, it's just a reflection of how you feel about the "situation" as you see it at the time.
Opinions are not tied indefinitley to the mast.

Mate Im the first to admit that at times this season I have called Rafa a kunt!
But I love the man and the club.

Do you ever have a row with your missus and feel like really angry?
Then..wake up the next day and love her as much as you did the first time you ever loved her?

Maybe not..I dunno!
Yeah at times this season I have been cracking up with our manager..keep searching fella,you will find a few more as well!

if its an attempt to paint me as a hypocrite?Work away.
Emotions are expected when you love anything,sometimes they are positive,other times they are negative.Its when all you can post is derogatory bullsh'it it becomes a worry!
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Postby Igor Zidane » Sat Feb 14, 2009 8:41 pm

baz you fickle fecker  :laugh:
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Postby NANNY RED » Sat Feb 14, 2009 8:43 pm

Number 9 wrote:Im standing in for Bob tonight(im a mod)..He's out on a date,so he asked me to cover for him!

I just feel sorry for the poor moose with Bob bogged up its jacksy.But I said Id do him a favour!

:laugh: So if i call you a stupid :censored: ar.se hole are you gonna ban me :laugh:

I think id sooner have Bob, Someone put out an SOS for him please it will be purgatry having Barry as mod :laugh:
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Postby Zidane » Sat Feb 14, 2009 8:43 pm

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Postby bigmick » Sat Feb 14, 2009 8:47 pm

Look I hear what people say about negativity, and I've no doubt that they consider me one of, if not the main culprit. People find it depressing, fair enough, I hear what you say, and I don't mean that in a sarcastic sense either.

So what are the choices. I can't speak for everyone else on here, but I only what post what I believe to be the truth. I think about football quite a lot, I even like to kid myself that I've got a smidge of a clue, and I like coming on here because I get to find out what's happening with Liverpool on the other side of the World, and I enjoy the opportunity to talk with Liverpool supporters of all definitions. I don't come on here to depress people, nor do I come on here to have rows and in the main I manage to avoid doing the latter by all accounts better than I'm doing the former. 

Baz says that "every thread" is the same, well if it is (and I don't think it is) it shouldn't be. I've made my feelings on the issue of the manager clear, but I deliberately try and make a point of not getting a debate on him in every thread. Equally, if I've not got anything positive to contribute to a discussion I tend to try and stay out of it. My post in the Real madrid thread was that I think we'll win both games 1-0. It was about 10 words, not one of them negative. It's not a competition I'm massively fired up about this season, but there seemed no point in damping down other peoples enthusiasm. Equally, I've never begrudged other people's right to hold an opinion which is radically different to my own, good luck to em, what the feck do I know anyway.

We've also had the spectre recently of GYBS's "others" poll, which I thought was turning into a great thread, closed. It was a great thread because it was funny, there was a bit of p1ss taking in there, but it was light hearted. I like GYBS, he says he "forgot" about putting some managers in, well in that case he deserves a bit of ribbing. There was no malice in it, I even didn't mention Mourinho's name while making it glaringly obvious I was talking about him, then started a thread about him in a section which nobody ever goes to, then made out I was doing it purely to satisfy GYBS's curiosity "I'll see what I can dig up for you mate". Can people not see that was a bit of fun and not take it too seriously? Am I going to ask for threads to be closed down each times someone points out my attempted stats are b0ll0cks?

So the choice for anyone who wants to debate the team, the squad, progress etc etc is what? I think it should be to do so in the appropriate threads, and to leave all others alone. I'm at the point realistically where I can't really post anywhere other than in the "my indictment" thread, and in "the squad" thread, the latter of which I started. Anywhere else, and you get jumped on or people complain the boards are full of negativity.

It does feel sometimes that you can't win. People say "how the feck can you be negative when we're top of the league" and you explain that these draws we've started to have, will cost us in the end. You're called allsorts of muppets, knee jerkers, negativos, plastics and the rest, then Man U overtake us and the draws did cost us. "But we're top of the league FFS" changes to "but we're 2nd in the league FFS". "how the feck can you be negative when we're 2nd in the league" you're asked. So you explain by looking at the squad as objectively as you possibly can that after five years of the Rafalution, things haven't really changed as much as they first appear. Once again, you come under fire.

I do hear people though when they say it's depressing, and I'll make a pledge here and now which I'm happy for people to quote back to me. I'll only post in threads from now on which I think it's appropriate to be negative in. There's no point me even going into positive threads and putting stuff up, because people take it the wrong way and we're off anyway. I think the sight of the monkey with the gun sets people off these days rightly or wrongly, so enough. I ask only one thing in return, that on the occasions we do win matches there isn't post after post asking where all the "fecking doom and gloomers are now, spouting their bile". I try and be the first on each and evry occasion we play well, particularly if I've slagged off the selection beforehand, precisely to give people the opportunity to tell me to st!ck it up my erse. I'll do that no more, because enough is enough.

No martyr's speech this, just a sad one. Depression works in both directions, and logging on this fine Sunday morning and realising quite how p!ssed off people that I like are becoming with my and similar peoples ramblings has put me on a downer.

No more, I'll only post in negative threads from now on, and sparingly at that I promise.
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Postby Effes » Sat Feb 14, 2009 8:47 pm

Number 9 wrote:
Effes wrote:
Number 9 wrote:
JBG wrote:One thing I have noticed on RAWK and also from some posters here is that there's a perception that if you criticise the manager then somehow you are a lesser supporter, as if sticking with a manager, through thick and thin somehow equates to having a higher moral fibre, better character and greater football knowledge and intelligence.

Its not. Rafa has been here a while, the problems are deep rooted, many of our problems are of his own making through mistakes or neglect and he won't solve them overnight.

I know where you are coming from.I dont think though that its any thing to do with being a lesser or better fan though.

Some people myself included hold on to hope longer than others.Its very hard to accept that after the time he has been given Rafa does not seem to have what it takes to progress in the EPL,unless a miracle happens now though its looking like sooner or later EVERY fan is going to have to accept that is the case.

Its dejavu im afraid,every time we get a new manager the expectations are the same and in the end the results fail to make us happy!

I never thought id say it but it probably is time Rafa moved on now.

Getting back to the things discussed in the thread.

Ive just highlighted this bit to show, everyone's opinions can change.(Sorry Barry :D )
I know mine do; well they can fluctuate.

It's not being fickle, it's just a reflection of how you feel about the "situation" as you see it at the time.
Opinions are not tied indefinitley to the mast.

Mate Im the first to admit that at times this season I have called Rafa a kunt!
But I love the man and the club.

Do you ever have a row with your missus and feel like really angry?
Then..wake up the next day and love her as much as you did the first time you ever loved her?

Maybe not..I dunno!
Yeah at times this season I have been cracking up with our manager..keep searching fella,you will find a few more as well!

if its an attempt to paint me as a hypocrite?Work away.
Emotions are expected when you love anything,sometimes they are positive,other times they are negative.Its when all you can post is derogatory bullsh'it it becomes a worry!

Barry - no way is it a dig at you.

I even said my opinions change too.
Please just read again, you'll see Im just making a general comment re. how opinions change.
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Postby heimdall » Sat Feb 14, 2009 8:55 pm

woof woof ! wrote:
s@int wrote:
woof woof ! wrote:
Effes wrote::laugh: Listen to you's, drama queens.  :D

You cant take some kind of moral high ground, just because you have more positive views than others.

Since when has posting negative views on a poxy internet forum been against the concept of YNWA?
We aren't in the ground.

Some people take these threads too seriously.

:no  Nah , we just get f'ucked of by the pr'icks who claim to support the club the manager the team and yet they only seem to relish posting when things aren't going our way.

As for taking "these threads too seriously" .

It's a Liverpool Supporters Forum . If at time's it's too serious for you there's nothing stopping you from f'ucking off to a chat room where maybe they'll tell you how to spell the name of your favourite beer.

:censored:   :kungfu:

No need for that Woof. This is a forum, Liverpool fans have been moaning and groaning about players and the manager since at least Kenny's days ...... its nothing new mate, its just been exacerbated imo because of the contract talks and our recent bad run.

You can f'uck off as well. Who the f'uck are you to tell me "No need for that Woof " ?

Sick and f'ucking tired of the navel gazing "pundits" in here.

Instead of standing on the sidelines holding someones coat why not try really positively supporting the club ?. On the other hand you could always just f'uck off from the forum until the end off the season, maybe then you can can come back and tell us all how right you were.

Wow, and you were complaining about Leon being a bad mod to me the other day.  :no

BTW Why the feck am I being held up as all that is wrong with this forum. I think what p1sses you happy clapper rafalites off is that I and everyone esle who dares to challenge the genius of Rafa are actually winning the argument and all that you lot are left with now is sanctimonious claptrap,misplaced blind loyalties and very very tired arguments like "well who would you rather manage the team then?".
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Postby Number 9 » Sat Feb 14, 2009 8:59 pm

Effes wrote:
Number 9 wrote:
Effes wrote:
Number 9 wrote:
JBG wrote:One thing I have noticed on RAWK and also from some posters here is that there's a perception that if you criticise the manager then somehow you are a lesser supporter, as if sticking with a manager, through thick and thin somehow equates to having a higher moral fibre, better character and greater football knowledge and intelligence.

Its not. Rafa has been here a while, the problems are deep rooted, many of our problems are of his own making through mistakes or neglect and he won't solve them overnight.

I know where you are coming from.I dont think though that its any thing to do with being a lesser or better fan though.

Some people myself included hold on to hope longer than others.Its very hard to accept that after the time he has been given Rafa does not seem to have what it takes to progress in the EPL,unless a miracle happens now though its looking like sooner or later EVERY fan is going to have to accept that is the case.

Its dejavu im afraid,every time we get a new manager the expectations are the same and in the end the results fail to make us happy!

I never thought id say it but it probably is time Rafa moved on now.

Getting back to the things discussed in the thread.

Ive just highlighted this bit to show, everyone's opinions can change.(Sorry Barry :D )
I know mine do; well they can fluctuate.

It's not being fickle, it's just a reflection of how you feel about the "situation" as you see it at the time.
Opinions are not tied indefinitley to the mast.

Mate Im the first to admit that at times this season I have called Rafa a kunt!
But I love the man and the club.

Do you ever have a row with your missus and feel like really angry?
Then..wake up the next day and love her as much as you did the first time you ever loved her?

Maybe not..I dunno!
Yeah at times this season I have been cracking up with our manager..keep searching fella,you will find a few more as well!

if its an attempt to paint me as a hypocrite?Work away.
Emotions are expected when you love anything,sometimes they are positive,other times they are negative.Its when all you can post is derogatory bullsh'it it becomes a worry!

Barry - no way is it a dig at you.

I even said my opinions change too.
Please just read again, you'll see Im just making a general comment re. how opinions change.

Mate you mistake me for someone that gives a flying :censored:!

I know where my heart is and I know that the tone and a lot of folk on this board need a good slap!

Im not offended,I stand by what i say at the time as thats how i felt.But I cant digest this we are doomed and never will win the EPL :censored: under Rafa!
Dig away I can take it!..be back in a few days BigMick has just posted! :cool:
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Postby Igor Zidane » Sat Feb 14, 2009 9:01 pm

Oh for god's sake this is getting stupid now .

DO WE FRIGGIN AGREE THAT WE ALL WANT THE SAME THING ? A SUCCESSFUL LIVERPOOL ,RIGHT ?

WILL WE ALL BE BEZZIES COME THE END OF THE SEASON WHEN WE'VE WON THE LEAGUE ? DEFFO .

WILL WE ALL BE BEZZIES IF BY SOME MIRACULOUS REASON WE DON'T WIN THE LEAGUE ? DEFFO .

WILL WE STILL BE BEZZIES AND STILL WANT THE SAME THING (A SUCCESSFUL LIVERPOOL ) IF RAFA GETS THE SACK ( GOD FORBID). OF COURSE .

Now stop all this fruity behaviour and lets get back to debating the issue's .

Sorry for shouting ,but your acting like a bunch of fanny farts ,really .

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