Liverpool FC Forum

[tonyeh]

It's an awful post because it doesn't make sense . You know as well as i do that rafa isn't going to change a thing and of course he will say my methods have worked if we win it . They will have worked , zonal marking is old hat , why have we had the best defensive record in the last 3 or 4 years and why has our keeper won the golden gloves for 3 years running . Is this inspight of rafa and zonal marking also .

The man will be completely vindicated if we win the league and rightly so .

Winning the league inspight of the manager , good grief .

It makes perfect sense Igor.

I don't agree with a lot of Benitez's decisions and method.

No and that's fair enough , i'm baffled by some of his decision making ,it's just that i trust him . You don't and that's also fair enough , but saying that you worry for the future if we win the league is nonesense mate.

Well, it's not really. I want to see the club strong again. Not simply snatching a CL trophy here and scraping a title there. I want to see a Liverpool that takes away the league title from Utd for a long time.

I want a team whose strength I can rely on, not a team that can't beat Stoke, or has to dig itself out of self made holes like last week...

...and my worry here is that Benitez just isn't the guy to do that.

[Effes]

Let's learn to walk before wa learn to run though Tony

[Igor Zidane]

It's an awful post because it doesn't make sense . You know as well as i do that rafa isn't going to change a thing and of course he will say my methods have worked if we win it . They will have worked , zonal marking is old hat , why have we had the best defensive record in the last 3 or 4 years and why has our keeper won the golden gloves for 3 years running . Is this inspight of rafa and zonal marking also .

The man will be completely vindicated if we win the league and rightly so .

Winning the league inspight of the manager , good grief .

It makes perfect sense Igor.

I don't agree with a lot of Benitez's decisions and method.

No and that's fair enough , i'm baffled by some of his decision making ,it's just that i trust him . You don't and that's also fair enough , but saying that you worry for the future if we win the league is nonesense mate.

Well, it's not really. I want to see the club strong again. Not simply snatching a CL trophy here and scraping a title there. I want to see a Liverpool that takes away the league title from Utd for a long time.

I want a team whose strength I can rely on, not a team that can't beat Stoke, or has to dig itself out of self made holes like last week...

...and my worry here is that Benitez just isn't the guy to do that.

Well the answer to that mate is little apples will grow .
If we start by winning the league by scraping it well that will do for starters . Then we can concentrate on building a dynasty and keeping the mancs back down where they belong .
We've got to start somewhere and i think that's part of this season's problem . None of our players have been in this situation before , and some of our fans come to think of it . So it's all knew to the players and they have to learn to deal with the pressure and the demands what challenging and hopefully winning a title will bring . That will also stand us in good stead for the future .

[account deleted by request]

It's an awful post because it doesn't make sense . You know as well as i do that rafa isn't going to change a thing and of course he will say my methods have worked if we win it . They will have worked , zonal marking is old hat , why have we had the best defensive record in the last 3 or 4 years and why has our keeper won the golden gloves for 3 years running . Is this inspight of rafa and zonal marking also .

The man will be completely vindicated if we win the league and rightly so .

Winning the league inspight of the manager , good grief .

Does that mean his methods haven't worked if he doesn't win it ?

I thought Owzat had already proved that we don't have the best record?

I would willingly give him a 4 year contract if we won the league. The problem is not whether we give him a contract if we win it imo, its what do we do if he DOESN'T.

[Igor Zidane]

It's an awful post because it doesn't make sense . You know as well as i do that rafa isn't going to change a thing and of course he will say my methods have worked if we win it . They will have worked , zonal marking is old hat , why have we had the best defensive record in the last 3 or 4 years and why has our keeper won the golden gloves for 3 years running . Is this inspight of rafa and zonal marking also .

The man will be completely vindicated if we win the league and rightly so .

Winning the league inspight of the manager , good grief .

Does that mean his methods haven't worked if he doesn't win it ?

I thought Owzat had already proved that we don't have the best record?

I would willingly give him a 4 year contract if we won the league. The problem is not whether we give him a contract if we win it imo, its what do we do if he DOESN'T.

Well saint that's the problem , i would give him another contract (suprise suprise ) because we are so close . Then again , i wouldn't be suprised to see him go .

[NANNY RED]

Again, I have to point out that if Arsenal and Chelsea had been playing to their usual standard, Liverpool wouldn't be in second place. They'd be battling it out for 4th again. Very little has actually changed since last year, except that Chelsea and Arsenal blew it and Utd were slow off the mark.

I cant understand why you say that Tony, that them two teams you mentioned are playing bad. Maybe just maybe we are better than them have you thought of that. Im not having it that because there off form we would of been fighting it out for fourth. We have played them both teams an the mancs an in all games we were the better side.

This season we are playing better an imo we are better than Arsenal an Chelsea so the league position justifies it, Going by your method the team whose playing top football then should be Aston Villa winning the league, But were are they below us,

Im made up we are still in the mix an never mind givin Rafa a new contract if we do win it ,he should get the freedom of the city. an all because hes certainly give me hope while he his at this club

[account deleted by request]

It's an awful post because it doesn't make sense . You know as well as i do that rafa isn't going to change a thing and of course he will say my methods have worked if we win it . They will have worked , zonal marking is old hat , why have we had the best defensive record in the last 3 or 4 years and why has our keeper won the golden gloves for 3 years running . Is this inspight of rafa and zonal marking also .

The man will be completely vindicated if we win the league and rightly so .

Winning the league inspight of the manager , good grief .

Does that mean his methods haven't worked if he doesn't win it ?

I thought Owzat had already proved that we don't have the best record?

I would willingly give him a 4 year contract if we won the league. The problem is not whether we give him a contract if we win it imo, its what do we do if he DOESN'T.

Well saint that's the problem , i would give him another contract (suprise suprise ) because we are so close . Then again , i wouldn't be suprised to see him go .

I think the thing that hardened my view this season in the first place was the contract Igor. I would much prefer to make those sort of decisions at the end of the season, when you know just what has been accomplished and what hasn't.

I don't think there should be any doubts about him getting a new contract if we win the league, if we fall away badly I think we should look elsewhere.

[NANNY RED]

Saint what about if we finish second just a couple of points off . What would you do then

[tonyeh]

Let's learn to walk before wa learn to run though Tony

Mmmmmmmm....we've spent nearly two decades learning to walk again. I may be getting a little impatient.

[Effes]

Let's learn to walk before wa learn to run though Tony

Mmmmmmmm....we've spent nearly two decades learning to walk again. I may be getting a little impatient.

That was with regard to your wish that we can take the title from United for a sustained period, rather than "srape the odd title here and there"

[account deleted by request]

Saint what about if we finish second just a couple of points off . What would you do then

I would give him a new contract........... but don't expect me to be happy about it ! 

Seriously if he gets within a win of the title he deserves a new contract, if we win the CL he deserves a new contract. If we finish 8 points or so away I would be looking elsewhere.

[NANNY RED]

This is for you Effes Xabis lost his pout

[account deleted by request]

This is for you Effes Xabis lost his pout

He still looks a little "suspect" to me Nanny 

[bigmick]

Tony getting slughtered with the "well what if we win the title?" angle is I suppose fair enough, and for us "anti's" it does feel uncomfomrtable answering it. The reality is of course if he wins it then he gets a new contract, if he comes close to winning it then he gets a new contract. Like Tony though to some extent, I am absolutely convinced in my conviction as well, and over the next five years or so I think personally we'd be better seved with somebody else. All that said, I accept the inevitablitlity of the new contract should we get home.

Now I know that will send the armed defender squad into fits of rage as it seems like I'm grudging in my acceptance of the situation, I'm not, I'd simply like to see it happen first so I can get my head around it.

I think an equally fair question is this. If you trawl through the various online bookmaking sights, they do odds on not just who wins it, but also on winning margins. Unsurprisingly, Man Utd are clear favourites at approximately 1/5 (for those non-punters, that means if you bet 10 quid on them, you'd get the princely sum of 12 quid back if they win it). Thank God they abolished betting tax. Equally, the favourite for points margin is "7 or more".

Now to put the ball back into the court of the armed defenders squad, lets say the bookmakers are right. Lets assume that Man Utd continue on their merry way and win it by 8 or 9 points from Liverpool, who finish 2nd. We will be two points better off, relative to the leaders than we were last season. Lets even get really really pessimistic and make the assumption that we don't win the Champions League.

The question is then, three years without a trophy, a two point improvement in the league despite spending/spunking 40 million quid in the Summer, no sign on the horizon of any World-beating youngsters coming through, a squad which is massively in need of rebuilding, Gerrard and Carragher another year closer to retirement, the distinct possibiltiy/probability that both Arsenal and Chelsea are going to be more formiddable the next season etc etc, what then? Another five year plan or time for a rethink? How many trophyless seasons before we decide we might be on the wrong path? 4,5,6,7? Remember, even Houllier won trophies, more than 2 in 5 years.

Don't fly off on one for my "doom and gloom" scenario either, since we're talking hypothetical situations it's a totally fair question.

[Igor Zidane]

Tony getting slughtered with the "well what if we win the title?" angle is I suppose fair enough, and for us "anti's" it does feel uncomfomrtable answering it. The reality is of course if he wins it then he gets a new contract, if he comes close to winning it then he gets a new contract. Like Tony though to some extent, I am absolutely convinced in my conviction as well, and over the next five years or so I think personally we'd be better seved with somebody else. All that said, I accept the inevitablitlity of the new contract should we get home.

Now I know that will send the armed defender squad into fits of rage as it seems like I'm grudging in my acceptance of the situation, I'm not, I'd simply like to see it happen first so I can get my head around it.

I think an equally fair question is this. If you trawl through the various online bookmaking sights, they do odds on not just who wins it, but also on winning margins. Unsurprisingly, Man Utd are clear favourites at approximately 1/5 (for those non-punters, that means if you bet 10 quid on them, you'd get the princely sum of 12 quid back if they win it). Thank God they abolished betting tax. Equally, the favourite for points margin is "7 or more".

Now to put the ball back into the court of the armed defenders squad, lets say the bookmakers are right. Lets assume that Man Utd continue on their merry way and win it by 8 or 9 points from Liverpool, who finish 2nd. We will be two points better off, relative to the leaders than we were last season. Lets even get really really pessimistic and make the assumption that we don't win the Champions League.

The question is then, three years without a trophy, a two point improvement in the league despite spending/spunking 40 million quid in the Summer, no sign on the horizon of any World-beating youngsters coming through, a squad which is massively in need of rebuilding, Gerrard and Carragher another year closer to retirement, the distinct possibiltiy/probability that both Arsenal and Chelsea are going to be more formiddable the next season etc etc, what then? Another five year plan or time for a rethink? How many trophyless seasons before we decide we might be on the wrong path? 4,5,6,7? Remember, even Houllier won trophies, more than 2 in 5 years.

Don't fly off on one for my "doom and gloom" scenario either, since we're talking hypothetical situations it's a totally fair question.

New contract for me , he is the right man for the job and we will win the league next season if not this . Hypothetically speaking of course.

Also i think it's abit unfair for you to say tony got slaughtered , we disagreed with him but not slaughtered him .