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[tonyeh]

Take it easy Robert.

Sure, Benitez will be due a certain amount of credit if Liverpool do win it this year, but that doesn't mean it'll warrant a sudden about face on my opinion of Benitez. If Liverpool win it, it'll be fantastic, but another few years with Benitez's hand on the tiller...that's another story.

[Effes]

Take it easy Robert.

Sure, Benitez will be due a certain amount of credit if Liverpool do win it this year, but that doesn't mean it'll warrant a sudden about face on my opinion of Benitez. If Liverpool win it, it'll be fantastic, but another few years with Benitez's hand on the tiller...that's another story.

So if Rafa wins the league, what kind of contract do you think he deserves?

[Number 9]

Anyone who can't find it within themselves to give the manager the praise he's due on that day has no business supporting Liverpool.

Agreed!

Some may also argue that anyone who continuously slags of the manager despite us being 2 points behind the leaders,while Chelsea and Arsenal cant manage the same may also fall into the same bracket!

I just wonder what will become of this place if we do win the EPL this season.Im sure the whingers will find something to cry about though!

[Igor Zidane]

What worries me, is that if we manage to somehow win the title this year, Benitez may see that as a justification for all the nonsense he's inflcted on the team during the season and continue that next season...but I don't think he'll get away with it two years in a row.

What worries you!!! !!!

Mate, if Rafa Benitez wins the title this year I will be too busy kissing the guy's feet to be worrying about anything, and I will see it as absolute justification for any of the nonsense that has gone on before.

Tonyeh's post sums it all about the attitude of some posters. Now we know that not even a league title will be enough to appease them.

We don't only have to find a manager that wins the league, we have to find one who wins the league and his decissions are shared and understood by Tonieh

And monkeys are not allowed to coach a club right?

We're well and truly fúcked then.

To answer you guys, yes I worry about another few years of Benitez. I had my doubts last year but this year I am of the firm conclusion that he's not right for the team. Who to replace him with I don't know, but his limitations are apparent for all to see.

There cannot be anyone on here (with the exception of Gybs perhaps) that has seen some of Rafa's bizarre decisions this season and asked themselves WTF was going on. Even Ciggy when balistic after the absurd Wigan game and was absolutely correct in doing so.

The fact of the matter is, this year we've had the good fortune of seeing a duff Chelsea and Arsenal screw it up for themselves. If that had not happened, Liverpool would be scraping around for 4th spot again and hoping for a CL spot and I've no doubt there would be very few people who weren't calling for Rafas's head after some of the nonsense we've seen.

Don't get me wrong, I would love another Liverpool title, but I will still balk at another few years with Benitez at the helm. As I said earlier, if Liverpool win this year, it'll be in spite of Benitez, not because of him.

Awful post , now your making yourself look bitter and slightly silly , is this because there's a chance you will be proven wrong . Rafa just might bring us number 19 , god forbid.

Do you seriously think that there will be many people that think like you ,if we win the league . I can assure you toney that you will probably standing on yer own ,asking for the manager to be sacked .

Look as you know i'm 100% behind the manager. Although i don't agree the likes of your good self about changing the manager ,i can see where your coming from and accept your point of view . Now do you understand how i can't accept your wanting to change the manager even if we win the league. That's what real madrid do , not us mate , not us.

[tonyeh]

Take it easy Robert.

Sure, Benitez will be due a certain amount of credit if Liverpool do win it this year, but that doesn't mean it'll warrant a sudden about face on my opinion of Benitez. If Liverpool win it, it'll be fantastic, but another few years with Benitez's hand on the tiller...that's another story.

So if Rafa wins the league, what kind of contract do you think he deserves?

I can't answer that Effes and at the end of the day, contracts are meaningless anyway. They didn't do Scolari or Adams any good.

Would I would like to see though, is Benitez accepting that some of his methods just do not work and dropping them in favor of other routes. We all know what they are because they've been done to death on the forum over the course of the last few years.

Folly is Benitez's biggest drawback and his failure to recognise his folly is his next one.

There are some things that are clearly wrong, like zonal marking, but Rafa just keeps on using it bullishly and it costs us.

The simple fact is that, at the moment, I just don't see a point where Rafa comes to the realisation that some of his method (I'm loath to say tactics) are just wrong and they will never be right and that causes me to be very sceptical about another few years with Rafa as the Liverpool manager.

[Bad Bob]

Take it easy Robert.

Sure, Benitez will be due a certain amount of credit if Liverpool do win it this year, but that doesn't mean it'll warrant a sudden about face on my opinion of Benitez. If Liverpool win it, it'll be fantastic, but another few years with Benitez's hand on the tiller...that's another story.

Yeah, disaster awaits if we win the league under Rafa.  God forbid, he sticks to his methods....and we go and win it again. 

[Effes]

Take it easy Robert.

Sure, Benitez will be due a certain amount of credit if Liverpool do win it this year, but that doesn't mean it'll warrant a sudden about face on my opinion of Benitez. If Liverpool win it, it'll be fantastic, but another few years with Benitez's hand on the tiller...that's another story.

So if Rafa wins the league, what kind of contract do you think he deserves?

I can't answer that Effes and at the end of the day, contracts are meaningless anyway.

Thats bollox - answer the question.

I said what contract do you think he deserves?

[Bad Bob]

Take it easy Robert.

Sure, Benitez will be due a certain amount of credit if Liverpool do win it this year, but that doesn't mean it'll warrant a sudden about face on my opinion of Benitez. If Liverpool win it, it'll be fantastic, but another few years with Benitez's hand on the tiller...that's another story.

So if Rafa wins the league, what kind of contract do you think he deserves?

I can't answer that Effes and at the end of the day, contracts are meaningless anyway. They didn't do Scolari or Adams any good.

Would I would like to see though, is Benitez accepting that some of his methods just do not work and dropping them in favor of other routes. We all know what they are because they've been done to death on the forum over the course of the last few years.

Folly is Benitez's biggest drawback and his failure to recognise his folly is his next one.

There are some things that are clearly wrong, like zonal marking, but Rafa just keeps on using it bullishly and it costs us.

The simple fact is that, at the moment, I just don't see a point where Rafa comes to the realisation that some of his method (I'm loath to say tactics) are just wrong and they will never be right and that causes me to be very sceptical about another few years with Rafa as the Liverpool manager.

A philosophical question for you, dear sir.  If the main aim of the club is to win trophies and if Benitez's methods--however much they might appear like 'folly' at the time--achieves said aim, does that not, by definition, mean that his methods are correct?  I think yes, what about you? 

[tonyeh]

What worries me, is that if we manage to somehow win the title this year, Benitez may see that as a justification for all the nonsense he's inflcted on the team during the season and continue that next season...but I don't think he'll get away with it two years in a row.

What worries you!!! !!!

Mate, if Rafa Benitez wins the title this year I will be too busy kissing the guy's feet to be worrying about anything, and I will see it as absolute justification for any of the nonsense that has gone on before.

Tonyeh's post sums it all about the attitude of some posters. Now we know that not even a league title will be enough to appease them.

We don't only have to find a manager that wins the league, we have to find one who wins the league and his decissions are shared and understood by Tonieh

And monkeys are not allowed to coach a club right?

We're well and truly fúcked then.

To answer you guys, yes I worry about another few years of Benitez. I had my doubts last year but this year I am of the firm conclusion that he's not right for the team. Who to replace him with I don't know, but his limitations are apparent for all to see.

There cannot be anyone on here (with the exception of Gybs perhaps) that has seen some of Rafa's bizarre decisions this season and asked themselves WTF was going on. Even Ciggy when balistic after the absurd Wigan game and was absolutely correct in doing so.

The fact of the matter is, this year we've had the good fortune of seeing a duff Chelsea and Arsenal screw it up for themselves. If that had not happened, Liverpool would be scraping around for 4th spot again and hoping for a CL spot and I've no doubt there would be very few people who weren't calling for Rafas's head after some of the nonsense we've seen.

Don't get me wrong, I would love another Liverpool title, but I will still balk at another few years with Benitez at the helm. As I said earlier, if Liverpool win this year, it'll be in spite of Benitez, not because of him.

Awful post , now your making yourself look bitter and slightly silly , is this because there's a chance you will be proven wrong . Rafa just might bring us number 19 , god forbid.

Do you seriously think that there will be many people that think like you ,if we win the league . I can assure you toney that you will probably standing on yer own ,asking for the manager to be sacked .

Look as you know i'm 100% behind the manager. Although i don't agree the likes of your good self about changing the manager ,i can see where your coming from and accept your point of view . Now do you understand how i can't accept your wanting to change the manager even if we win the league. That's what real madrid do , not us mate , not us.

Why is it an awful post...because you don't agree? That's not good enough Igor.

It's my opinion as it stands at the moment and it's not formed in the last week, or month. Also, I don't feel "bitter" or "silly". Slightly or otherwise. I just don't feel that Rafael Benitez is what I want as a Liverpool manager.

Your "100%" behind him, well that's all well and good honestly. But, I think that he has too many limitations though and his most damning limitation is the inability to realise when something just isn't working and for the long term, that isn't good for Liverpool's future.

Also, I don't believe I've actually commited to saying that I want to "change" the manager (I wouldn't know who to replace him with for a start), I am more of the opinion that I would like the manager to "change" some of his methods. I actually don't agree with turfing out managers at the drop of the hat. In fact, I think Scolari and Tony Adams got a rough deal last week, but Benitez has had a bigger shake of the stick than those two. My post a page back said that if we do win the title, I worry that Benitez will see that as a justifcation of his method and I am very critical of his method.

Again, I have to point out that if Arsenal and Chelsea had been playing to their usual standard, Liverpool wouldn't be in second place. They'd be battling it out for 4th again. Very little has actually changed since last year, except that Chelsea and Arsenal blew it and Utd were slow off the mark.

[tonyeh]

Take it easy Robert.

Sure, Benitez will be due a certain amount of credit if Liverpool do win it this year, but that doesn't mean it'll warrant a sudden about face on my opinion of Benitez. If Liverpool win it, it'll be fantastic, but another few years with Benitez's hand on the tiller...that's another story.

So if Rafa wins the league, what kind of contract do you think he deserves?

I can't answer that Effes and at the end of the day, contracts are meaningless anyway. They didn't do Scolari or Adams any good.

Would I would like to see though, is Benitez accepting that some of his methods just do not work and dropping them in favor of other routes. We all know what they are because they've been done to death on the forum over the course of the last few years.

Folly is Benitez's biggest drawback and his failure to recognise his folly is his next one.

There are some things that are clearly wrong, like zonal marking, but Rafa just keeps on using it bullishly and it costs us.

The simple fact is that, at the moment, I just don't see a point where Rafa comes to the realisation that some of his method (I'm loath to say tactics) are just wrong and they will never be right and that causes me to be very sceptical about another few years with Rafa as the Liverpool manager.

A philosophical question for you, dear sir.  If the main aim of the club is to win trophies and if Benitez's methods--however much they might appear like 'folly' at the time--achieves said aim, does that not, by definition, mean that his methods are correct?  I think yes, what about you? 

I think no Bob.

If my method and approach is nonsense, but I happen to achieve something due to outside circumstance, the end result may still be positive, but the method and approach still wrong.

The ends do not justify the means.

[Igor Zidane]

It's an awful post because it doesn't make sense . You know as well as i do that rafa isn't going to change a thing and of course he will say my methods have worked if we win it . They will have worked , zonal marking is old hat , why have we had the best defensive record in the last 3 or 4 years and why has our keeper won the golden gloves for 3 years running . Is this inspight of rafa and zonal marking also .

The man will be completely vindicated if we win the league and rightly so .

Winning the league inspight of the manager , good grief .

[Effes]

Take it easy Robert.

Sure, Benitez will be due a certain amount of credit if Liverpool do win it this year, but that doesn't mean it'll warrant a sudden about face on my opinion of Benitez. If Liverpool win it, it'll be fantastic, but another few years with Benitez's hand on the tiller...that's another story.

So if Rafa wins the league, what kind of contract do you think he deserves?

I can't answer that Effes and at the end of the day, contracts are meaningless anyway.

Thats bollox - answer the question.

I said what contract do you think he deserves?

Answer the question

[tonyeh]

It's an awful post because it doesn't make sense . You know as well as i do that rafa isn't going to change a thing and of course he will say my methods have worked if we win it . They will have worked , zonal marking is old hat , why have we had the best defensive record in the last 3 or 4 years and why has our keeper won the golden gloves for 3 years running . Is this inspight of rafa and zonal marking also .

The man will be completely vindicated if we win the league and rightly so .

Winning the league inspight of the manager , good grief .

It makes perfect sense Igor.

I don't agree with a lot of Benitez's decisions and method.

[tonyeh]

Take it easy Robert.

Sure, Benitez will be due a certain amount of credit if Liverpool do win it this year, but that doesn't mean it'll warrant a sudden about face on my opinion of Benitez. If Liverpool win it, it'll be fantastic, but another few years with Benitez's hand on the tiller...that's another story.

So if Rafa wins the league, what kind of contract do you think he deserves?

I can't answer that Effes and at the end of the day, contracts are meaningless anyway.

Thats bollox - answer the question.

I said what contract do you think he deserves?

Answer the question

I told you already, I can't aswer it.

What I wouldn't do, however, is give him full control over transfers. That's for sure.

[Igor Zidane]

It's an awful post because it doesn't make sense . You know as well as i do that rafa isn't going to change a thing and of course he will say my methods have worked if we win it . They will have worked , zonal marking is old hat , why have we had the best defensive record in the last 3 or 4 years and why has our keeper won the golden gloves for 3 years running . Is this inspight of rafa and zonal marking also .

The man will be completely vindicated if we win the league and rightly so .

Winning the league inspight of the manager , good grief .

It makes perfect sense Igor.

I don't agree with a lot of Benitez's decisions and method.

No and that's fair enough , i'm baffled by some of his decision making ,it's just that i trust him . You don't and that's also fair enough , but saying that you worry for the future if we win the league is nonesense mate.