Liverpool FC Forum

[A.B.]

Fernando Morientes is a world-class footballer, his medals and trophies speak for themselves and it's the one player that many fans wanted to see here and the manager was chasing his signature since this summer. In fact he wanted a swoop, Owen for Morientes instead Real Madrid screwed us and we got Antonio Nunez. (No disrespect to Nunez)

At Real Madrid he hardly played any games, always came on as a late substitute in the game, playing 10-15 minutes. For the most part he was on the bench with no match fitness what so ever. I was excited that we signed him in January and so was everyone else in the club, a class striker just for us.

After scoring two goals in two games he was a great signing now that he's not scoring goals and when he's not playing well he's a poor signing, which one is it? This is something that frustrates me, when I hear fellow fans judging a player whose not at his best of form, whose has no pre-season training with his current team mates and is adapting to the English League. Why is it that some of us are so quick to judge? For example when Luis Garcia scored three goals at the begining of the season in three or four games he was compared to Dalglish ( ) but once he hit the slump of a form he was a horrible signing.

Now that he's back in form, he's a great player, a player that was constantly used as a scape goat a couple of months ago. Whats the point of this? Simply to give Morientes some time. With pre-season training and a better form he will play well but until then don't be so quick to judge the player completely.

Give it some time, is that so hard?

[The_Rock]

I have no problem with morientas....I would love it if he was a success.....but wat i would like is to be objective. When has morientas been world class ? I mean he is a good finisher..but him being world class ...i don't think so. He was always playing 2nd fiddle to raul and raul is hardly world class isn't he ? Gary neville has won so many titles with the scum. Does that make him world class. I am being frank here. I have never seen morientas do anything which suggest he is world class yet (judging from the matches he played for us). This is just my opinion as i have seen real madrid only play a few times (when morientas was there).

you have put a great defence for morientas ..i apperciate it. (not being sarcastic). But then let me talk about baros. In the 1st half of the season, baros was the one winning us games. Now he has a couple of bad matches and ppl want to bash him

its the same with morientas. If we are willing to give morientas the time...the benefit of doubt , shouldn't we do the same for baros too. Just being objective.

In summary, i hope cisse, morientas & baros come good at LFC. It does not matter to me who is the top scorer...as long as LFC wins matches.

[Red Indian]

I agree totally.  He has a good record both domestically (in Spain) and at International level.  It's not often LFC have opted to buy proven quality of late, and he is proven.  The Premiership is very hard to adapt to, lets give the lad some time and encouragement.  Maybe next season with a good pre-season behind him, we'll start to see the real Morientes

[A.B.]

When has morientas been world class ? I mean he is a good finisher..but him being world class ...i don't think so. He was always playing 2nd fiddle to raul and raul is hardly world class isn't he ? Gary neville has won so many titles with the scum. Does that make him world class. I am being frank here. I have never seen morientas do anything which suggest he is world class yet (judging from the matches he played for us). This is just my opinion as i have seen real madrid only play a few times (when morientas was there).

First and foremost if you're going to talk about one of our players then at least spell his name correctly "M-O-R-I-E-N-T-E-S".

Second, you're asking since when was Morientes world class, what kind of stupid question is that? 

He was the leading goal-scorer in the Champions League last year. His lead Real Madrid to countless trophies, he made such an impact that he caused Davor Suker a player who scored 30 goals a year for Real Madrid to be benched when he arrived. He's a proven player both for club and for country. World Class Player.

hen let me talk about baros. In the 1st half of the season, baros was the one winning us games. Now he has a couple of bad matches and ppl want to bash him

Morientes has good finishing but Baros doesn't.
Morientes has good awareness but Baros doesn't.
Morientes can link up well with team mates but Baros can't.
Morientes is adapting to a new league but Baros isn't.

The two players are in two different situations, Morientes has what Baros doesn't skill wise he just needs to settle in where as Baros is just not good enough. Won us games? The only game I can remember him winning for us is the game against Crystal Palace. 13 goals for a striker is nothing especially when   two midfielders are only a goal or so behind from having scored the same amount.

[JohnnyAldridge fan]

I thought he would score 10 max from Jan to May,he has 3,I would be happy with 2 more from this season,you can see he is class but he is  dropping too deep to be a  threat at times,personally I think Cisse WOULD benefit him but Rafa knows best and if  he wants to play that 2nd striker in the hole behind mori so be it for now.

[Eazy-E]

Yes Baros did help us win a few games Crystal Palace, Fulham, Millwall and Man City. Support your players bitch.

[A.B.]

Fulham? Home or Away? Either way he didn't win those games single handendly. Away it was because of Alonso's influence and home it was because of good team football overall.

[Liverpool 4 EVA]

Of course Morientes is WORLD CLASS!!

Look at how important he was in all of Madrids 3 Champions League triumphs from 1998 - 2002.

He wasn't just a bit-part player in that all conquering Real Madrid squad, he was bloody fundemental to the team.

Then he went to Monaco and was last years top scorer in the Champions League.

And he is always GREAT for Spain too.

If that doesn't make him world class or at least close to world class, then what does?

[A.B.]

The Rock doesn't know the difference between his ****** and his elbow.

[LiverpoolMadman]

I blame on our midfield . Nunez is OK but we need somebody like Rothen in Left midfield . I know that Risse can do that job , but if he play that position whom going to play in Left defend . W and T can't do the job.

I just wordering why cisse play on the right midfield , he should play in the centre forward.

Or maybe RB made a mistake again ? 4-5-1 . The midfield position is too far away to support Morientes unlike chelsea FL and G played right behind D and Makalele behind them.


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[banana]

When has morientas been world class ? I mean he is a good finisher..but him being world class ...i don't think so. He was always playing 2nd fiddle to raul and raul is hardly world class isn't he ? Gary neville has won so many titles with the scum. Does that make him world class. I am being frank here. I have never seen morientas do anything which suggest he is world class yet (judging from the matches he played for us). This is just my opinion as i have seen real madrid only play a few times (when morientas was there).

First and foremost if you're going to talk about one of our players then at least spell his name correctly "M-O-R-I-E-N-T-E-S".

Second, you're asking since when was Morientes world class, what kind of stupid question is that? 

He was the leading goal-scorer in the Champions League last year. His lead Real Madrid to countless trophies, he made such an impact that he caused Davor Suker a player who scored 30 goals a year for Real Madrid to be benched when he arrived. He's a proven player both for club and for country. World Class Player.

hen let me talk about baros. In the 1st half of the season, baros was the one winning us games. Now he has a couple of bad matches and ppl want to bash him

Morientes has good finishing but Baros doesn't.
Morientes has good awareness but Baros doesn't.
Morientes can link up well with team mates but Baros can't.
Morientes is adapting to a new league but Baros isn't.

The two players are in two different situations, Morientes has what Baros doesn't skill wise he just needs to settle in where as Baros is just not good enough. Won us games? The only game I can remember him winning for us is the game against Crystal Palace. 13 goals for a striker is nothing especially when   two midfielders are only a goal or so behind from having scored the same amount.

A.B you have had way too many beers tonight if that is possible. You sound like a drunk punk who has not been laid in a year.

Whatever you think of Morientes is irrelevant. Morientes has to show his class when he plays. I only judge a player by his performance. Names or passports or past glory does not matter. Today, and on many other occasions, he did nothing. We basically had 10 men out there so poor was his contribution. And why do you defend Morientes by slagging off Baros? Is that the only way you can reason. I would love it if Baros silenced your drunk ****** on tuesday and scored a hattrick against the ugly london suckers

[A.B.]

A.B you have had way too many beers tonight if that is possible. You sound like a drunk punk who has not been laid in a year.

Whatever you think of Morientes is irrelevant. Morientes has to show his class when he plays. I only judge a player by his performance. Names or passports or past glory does not matter. Today, and on many other occasions, he did nothing. We basically had 10 men out there so poor was his contribution. And why do you defend Morientes by slagging off Baros? Is that the only way you can reason. I would love it if Baros silenced your drunk ****** on tuesday and scored a hattrick against the ugly london suckers

This is comming from someone who said that Michael Owen was average.

Don't lecture me you tumbleweed.

[siti_zaiton1982]

Today, and on many other occasions, he did nothing. We basically had 10 men out there so poor was his contribution.

hopefully,he won't be someone who fire blanks come next season.

 

[LiverpoolMadman]

Give Morientes a give break .... He will be better next season. I think what we need is a good midfield that sit just infront of the back four like Keane ( MAN U ) , Makalele ( Chelsea ) , PV ( Arsenal ) maybe SG and Alonso can do the job but I prefer them to support the attacking midfield. Maybe John Welsh or Diarra can do that job if not need to find other players . These are some of the players that good and cheap can do the dirty job before our defends Kevin Nolan,Nigel Quashie, Tim Cahill.

One more thing, we also need new, young, strong central defend like John Terry, Nesta, Canavaro, Rio, Sol Campbell but I can't think of any other players like the players that I mention above. Hope we can get somebody that can replace Hypia.

[66-1112520797]

Have to say i agree with AB as Morientes needs more time,he also stated about the Garcia thing earlier this season .And i bet it was
the same lot slagging him off as it is Morientes.

He hasnt been here that long,so save the snipeing at least until Dec
05 .Give him a chance.