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[stmichael]

Morientes hasn't set the world on fire but in all fairness that doesn't surprise me. He does a lot of good things in a game but because he hasn't scored ten goals people are suggesting he's been a bad signing.

Due to his style of play, Moro is not the sort of guy who can make darting runs in the channels, that is the style of Cisse or Baros.

Moro is more like a Teddy Sheringham-alike, in that he uses his head. He is generally a clever player but also good in the air. (see his first goal at anfield what a header that was. And his goal at charlton, was a brilliant shot after quick turn to make space for himself.)

I think "different and strange" is a fair description from a foreigner, coming from a city like Madrid to a city like Liverpool. It would also refer to the style of play, be fair it must take a long time to get used to the prem in the position that he plays in.

We should give him more than 4-5 months. He has more of a chance of success here than fecking Pellegrino or Nunez anyway.

[lakes10]

I dont rate Morientes , for me he is well past his best and we should have saved our money

[Nando]

I have no problem with morientas....I would love it if he was a success.....but wat i would like is to be objective. When has morientas been world class ? I mean he is a good finisher..but him being world class ...i don't think so. He was always playing 2nd fiddle to raul and raul is hardly world class isn't he ? Gary neville has won so many titles with the scum. Does that make him world class. I am being frank here. I have never seen morientas do anything which suggest he is world class yet (judging from the matches he played for us). This is just my opinion as i have seen real madrid only play a few times (when morientas was there).

you have put a great defence for morientas ..i apperciate it. (not being sarcastic). But then let me talk about baros. In the 1st half of the season, baros was the one winning us games. Now he has a couple of bad matches and ppl want to bash him

its the same with morientas. If we are willing to give morientas the time...the benefit of doubt , shouldn't we do the same for baros too. Just being objective.

In summary, i hope cisse, morientas & baros come good at LFC. It does not matter to me who is the top scorer...as long as LFC wins matches.

from reading your last couple of posts u do seem to be objective about most things 

[Nando]

I dont rate Morientes , for me he is well past his best and we should have saved our money

past his best? dont think hes even had a full season in a while other than last season with monaco, dude has played abt 35 games for spain and scored 28 goals, thats amazing, it just shows his class he isnt automatic first choice but when he plays he will deliver the goods

mark my words, he will be raring to go after toning up over pre-season, with a few more deliveries into the box would benefit, do u guys think RVN would profit playing for us? the point is no because our service to our strikers can be abysmal at times, why dont we point the finger at nunez? nando thrives on good service and he isnt getting any

[lfclfclfc]

moro is a little short in confidence now, but i believe he'll come good next season. For me, he's not been able to link well with team-mates yet.. lacks that little bit of understanding. but his football has been intelligent and at times mesmerizing. time will tell. 

[hawkmoon269]

A good point to remember - he doesn't speak a work of english.  It must be hard to play under those circumstances!!!
Let's give him a break - He'll settle hopefully over the summer.

[The_Rock]

The Rock doesn't know the difference between his ****** and his elbow.

and this coming from AB

american b1tch 

[bigmick]

Seems a bit strange this thread to me. Firstly, there was one very similar a couple of days ago. Secondly, having asked a question in the original thread, it seems to me to be a bit daft when the next poster comes on and gives his opinion, to say he doesn't know the difference between etc etc. Lets face it, in the case of Morientes (I think that's how you spell it) none of us really know. Guess what, he doesn't know and Rafa doesn't know either. All of our opinions are but hunches, the skill is to get more hunches right than wrong.
My opinion is that he won't cut it in the English Prem. I've been accused before of being too quick with my opinions (quite rightly) but I don't feel disloyal or "not a true supporter" in the least. Given that I get very little chance these days to watch the lads in person, and that I always give my full support when present, I don't think Fernando will be unduly perurbed by my opinion.
There is my opinion however for what it's worth. As usual, I really hope I'm wrong. On the question of Louis Garcia (I think that's how you spell it) I never said he was Kenny Dalglish. I did say from day one however that he would become a fantastic signing for us. Just to prove I haven't got selective memory I said he would be a better signing than Alonso long-term? (yeah I know but it was early) and that he would score against Chelsea in the CL. I defo' stand by the second one.

[kenco]

A.b. your not by any chance an american are you! thats the only excuse i could give for this post.

[JC_81]

I'm still confident that morientes will come good, plenty of players have struggled in their first season in the epl, even quality players like Henry and Bergkamp.

Morientes didn't play at all for the first half of the season and he's had a few niggling injuries since we signed him.  Plus he's just moved to a new country, doesn't know the language well yet and is adapting to a new style of football.

People need to stop being impatient fu.ckers

[XSD]

The two players are in two different situations, Morientes has what Baros doesn't skill wise he just needs to settle in where as Baros is just not good enough. Won us games? The only game I can remember him winning for us is the game against Crystal Palace. 13 goals for a striker is nothing especially when   two midfielders are only a goal or so behind from having scored the same amount.

After the game against Newcastle I was ready to say Baros was one of the top strikers in the league. He hasn't been the same since he picked up a succession of hamstring injuries.

[A.B.]

and this coming from AB

american b1tch

First of all tumbletit, I'm not an American. I think I've established that several times. Second, where I come from is irrevelant when football is involved. Whether you're from Luxemburg or Latvia, it doesn't matter. We're discussing football and it seems like you don't know much about it.

Fernando Morientes isn't world class? Then who is world class to you? Andy Johnson?

[A.B.]

After the game against Newcastle I was ready to say Baros was one of the top strikers in the league. He hasn't been the same since he picked up a succession of hamstring injuries

A couple of good games out of how many? He's missed countless sitters in the past few games. Just look at the chances he had against Everton, unbealivable how he missed ever single one of them.

He works hard on the pitch but he needs to score goals, that's his job.

[A.B.]

Seems a bit strange this thread to me. Firstly, there was one very similar a couple of days ago. Secondly, having asked a question in the original thread, it seems to me to be a bit daft when the next poster comes on and gives his opinion, to say he doesn't know the difference between etc etc. Lets face it, in the case of Morientes (I think that's how you spell it) none of us really know. Guess what, he doesn't know and Rafa doesn't know either. All of our opinions are but hunches, the skill is to get more hunches right than wrong.
My opinion is that he won't cut it in the English Prem. I've been accused before of being too quick with my opinions (quite rightly) but I don't feel disloyal or "not a true supporter" in the least

On the question of Louis Garcia (I think that's how you spell it) I never said he was Kenny Dalglish. I did say from day one however that he would become a fantastic signing for us. Just to prove I haven't got selective memory I said he would be a better signing than Alonso long-term? (yeah I know but it was early) and that he would score against Chelsea in the CL. I defo' stand by the second one.

No you didn't say he was King Kenny, but I stated that to get a point of across which is that he was praised when he scored the goals and used as a scape-goat and written off as soon as he got into bad form.

Nobody said that you were disloyal or not a true supporter. You feel that Morientes won't cut it here, it's your opinion but Rock comes out with a  stupid statement "Morientes is not world class", a proven player both for country and club.

[Thinkpad]

Have to say i agree with AB as Morientes needs more time,he also stated about the Garcia thing earlier this season .And i bet it was
the same lot slagging him off as it is Morientes.

He hasnt been here that long,so save the snipeing at least until Dec
05 .Give him a chance.

Weird.. I don't remember slagging Garcia off. It is so easy to assume things. We don't agree with you so we must be wrong..??!! I don't mind people having a different opinion whether they are right or wrong. What really ****** me off is that there are some of you that are not prepared to be wrong. You must be right ALL the time. Now that I have that out of the way..

Objectivity is what I feel most of you really need to possess.
Garcia may not perform when he came here but at least you see him trying very hard, running hard, chasing hard. You don't need to be world class in order to try hard.

Many peopole said Morientes is world class and world class don't need time to adjust... I still remember this phrase being used frequently to justify his purchase and introduction. It has been 5 months now, does it mean he is not world class? Of course many would jump and claim otherwise, saying we are not giving him time. But you set the stage yourself... remember?

Another thing about time.. Liverpool supporter likes to give players and coaches time. We give them time to sign a contract, we gave them time to turn a corner, we gave them time to adjust. We have so much time to give because we have been giving for the past 15 years and more... Time is money. How much more time are we going to give morientes? Unlimited until it is proven conclusively that morientes cannot adapt or we set a timeline? Will the timeline be early or late next season? I will definitely put him up for sale if he doesn't perform by early next season.

Another thing, he need to at least trouble the opponet's defense even when he has not fully adapt. Not being invisible for 45mins is totally unacceptable. No excuse will suffice.