Minimum expectations for the season - What’s the minimum for 11/12 season

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Minimum expectations for the season - What’s the minimum for 11/12 season

1st (Champions)
6
6%
2nd
4
4%
3rd
11
11%
4th
62
60%
5th
15
14%
mid table
6
6%
 
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Postby alwayslfc » Mon Sep 26, 2011 1:41 am

How I wish I can have your optimism "Thommo's perm" and "red till I die", we only have a great manager, the team is a work-in-progress and I don't believe such a team is good enough to qualify for CL in our tough PL. It is already a foregone conclusion that Man U, City and Chels are better than us and looks like Spurs will be 4th, they have one game in hand and if they win (and I think they will) they will be ahead of us.

Look at our midfield, we only have SG and Downing whom I believe are good enough and SG is probably very injury prone for the rest of his career. Adam, I'd rank him as above average and Hendo is still learning the trade. Up front we have Suarez who is a star but Carroll is still struggling to adapt to Liverpool. Our central defence dept, Carra looks like past his prime, Agger is available about 1/3 of the time, Skrtel a bit erratic, Coates still young and learning to adapt to the PL.  A team like this will be hard to finish 4th.
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Postby Thommo's perm » Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:26 pm

alwayslfc wrote:How I wish I can have your optimism "Thommo's perm" and "red till I die", we only have a great manager, the team is a work-in-progress and I don't believe such a team is good enough to qualify for CL in our tough PL. It is already a foregone conclusion that Man U, City and Chels are better than us and looks like Spurs will be 4th, they have one game in hand and if they win (and I think they will) they will be ahead of us.

Look at our midfield, we only have SG and Downing whom I believe are good enough and SG is probably very injury prone for the rest of his career. Adam, I'd rank him as above average and Hendo is still learning the trade. Up front we have Suarez who is a star but Carroll is still struggling to adapt to Liverpool. Our central defence dept, Carra looks like past his prime, Agger is available about 1/3 of the time, Skrtel a bit erratic, Coates still young and learning to adapt to the PL.  A team like this will be hard to finish 4th.

My optimism is based on experience and knowledge
The key is to get the team to believe they are capable of beating everybody and anybody, and with some luck and hard work anything is possible.
I personally dont understand why people wallow in negativity. Whats the Fu*king point?? "Were not as good as chelsea" "The skanks are better than us" Bullsh'it! They nearly got beat by stoke at the weekend and just scraped a draw. They will have their dip in form dont worry about that. City are vulnerable to attack. Chelsea can be beat.
If we play as a team we can beat anybody. Consistency is vital and once the players all understand what KK wants from them we will be a force to reckoned with.
All this "woe is us" sh'ite should be dropped asap
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Postby Thommo's perm » Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:31 am

I have said before that Man city will have problems with their petulant, overpaid divas and Tevez has come up trumps, with Dzeko not far behind and Balotelli yet to show his true colours. Mancini is NOT the man to manage such spoilt, childish, pathetic wasters and his troubles have only begun. It goes to prove that having unlimited money does not guarantee professionalism and respect. I would absolutely hate to be a city fan and this goes to show that being envious of the ability to pay for any player you want isnt what its cracked up to be. I honestly believe that we can finish above city and it is arsenal and spurs who are our competitors in the top four.
City are fu'cked and hopefully we are able to take advantage of this opportunity
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Postby alwayslfc » Fri Sep 30, 2011 6:11 am

Thommo's perm wrote:I have said before that Man city will have problems with their petulant, overpaid divas and Tevez has come up trumps, with Dzeko not far behind and Balotelli yet to show his true colours. Mancini is NOT the man to manage such spoilt, childish, pathetic wasters and his troubles have only begun. It goes to prove that having unlimited money does not guarantee professionalism and respect. I would absolutely hate to be a city fan and this goes to show that being envious of the ability to pay for any player you want isnt what its cracked up to be. I honestly believe that we can finish above city and it is arsenal and spurs who are our competitors in the top four.
City are fu'cked and hopefully we are able to take advantage of this opportunity

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They have unlimited funds and yes money doesn't guarantee professionalism and respect, that's true. However money does buy quality players and City, points collected wise are doing all right.
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Postby kazza » Fri Sep 30, 2011 7:21 am

They are an implosion waiting to happen.
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Postby Thommo's perm » Fri Sep 30, 2011 8:42 am

alwayslfc wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:I have said before that Man city will have problems with their petulant, overpaid divas and Tevez has come up trumps, with Dzeko not far behind and Balotelli yet to show his true colours. Mancini is NOT the man to manage such spoilt, childish, pathetic wasters and his troubles have only begun. It goes to prove that having unlimited money does not guarantee professionalism and respect. I would absolutely hate to be a city fan and this goes to show that being envious of the ability to pay for any player you want isnt what its cracked up to be. I honestly believe that we can finish above city and it is arsenal and spurs who are our competitors in the top four.
City are fu'cked and hopefully we are able to take advantage of this opportunity


They have unlimited funds and yes money doesn't guarantee professionalism and respect, that's true. However money does buy quality players and City, points collected wise are doing all right.

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Postby Penguins » Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:48 pm

it't not hard to despise city with players like Balotelli, Tevez and other mercenaries, but who are you kidding?
City will still be comfortably ahead of us when the season is over, you can take that to the bank.

The fact is we played better at the end of last season with a midfield of Kuyt, Lucas, Meireles and Maxi than our 50 million more expensive midfield today. When you don't have City funds that is epic failure.
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Postby jacdaniel » Fri Sep 30, 2011 3:21 pm

Penguins wrote:it't not hard to despise city with players like Balotelli, Tevez and other mercenaries, but who are you kidding?
City will still be comfortably ahead of us when the season is over, you can take that to the bank.

The fact is we played better at the end of last season with a midfield of Kuyt, Lucas, Meireles and Maxi than our 50 million more expensive midfield today. When you don't have City funds that is epic failure.

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Lets give it some time before writing it off as an epic failure or unbelievable success.

We were also very inconsistent last season.  This is a long term project that wont be fixed with knee jerk decisions.
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Postby Roger Red Hat » Fri Sep 30, 2011 3:36 pm

this time last seaon we were lurking around the bottom 4 or 5 places, now we're 6 points off the top spot - :cool:
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Postby alwayslfc » Fri Sep 30, 2011 4:30 pm

From a mathematical point of view, after these first 6 games, we're worse off compare to the 18 games Kenny were in charge last season. How? Well last season after 18 games under Kenny, we got 33 points. So far after 6 games, 10 points. If we project that to 18 games, that would be 18 divide 6 and then times 10 = 30 points! So from a mathematical perspective, this is a failure considering we've spent more than 100 million in the summer. The next 2 games will be tough and if we lose both, then God helps Kenny.
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Postby Kash_Mountain » Fri Sep 30, 2011 5:13 pm

alwayslfc wrote:From a mathematical point of view, after these first 6 games, we're worse off compare to the 18 games Kenny were in charge last season. How? Well last season after 18 games under Kenny, we got 33 points. So far after 6 games, 10 points. If we project that to 18 games, that would be 18 divide 6 and then times 10 = 30 points! So from a mathematical perspective, this is a failure considering we've spent more than 100 million in the summer. The next 2 games will be tough and if we lose both, then God helps Kenny.


Blimey, that's an optimistic post... :)

I'm sure we'll be just fine.
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Postby Thommo's perm » Fri Sep 30, 2011 5:48 pm

Penguins wrote:it't not hard to despise city with players like Balotelli, Tevez and other mercenaries, but who are you kidding?
City will still be comfortably ahead of us when the season is over, you can take that to the bank.

The fact is we played better at the end of last season with a midfield of Kuyt, Lucas, Meireles and Maxi than our 50 million more expensive midfield today. When you don't have City funds that is epic failure.

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Postby Penguins » Sat Oct 01, 2011 5:39 pm

Well, nothing will change my stance.  :)
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Postby Tottenham Dave » Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:11 am

I ain't a WUM, I don't do reactionary internet stuff. I'm not a blind fan of my team.

That said, I think a few of you Liverpool fans need to wake up a bit.

Your squad is very ordinary.

Your first 11 is ordinary.

I completely respect your club's history, but right now you are not a threatening prospect for any decent Premier League side.

Suarez is a good player, and Carroll is just OK, but your midfield is very mediocre.

Gerrard aside, there is very little there to put any kind of fear into opposition defences.

Downing? Come on, he found his level at Villa or Middlesboro.

Adam?

I genuinely think you have literally no chance at finishing top 4 this year.
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Postby Octsky » Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:21 am

Tottenham Dave wrote:I ain't a WUM, I don't do reactionary internet stuff. I'm not a blind fan of my team.

That said, I think a few of you Liverpool fans need to wake up a bit.

Your squad is very ordinary.

Your first 11 is ordinary.

I completely respect your club's history, but right now you are not a threatening prospect for any decent Premier League side.

Suarez is a good player, and Carroll is just OK, but your midfield is very mediocre.

Gerrard aside, there is very little there to put any kind of fear into opposition defences.

Downing? Come on, he found his level at Villa or Middlesboro.

Adam?

I genuinely think you have literally no chance at finishing top 4 this year.

Hi call me when you won ONE euro cup.

and btw LFC is on top of spurs at the table atm.
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