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[metalhead]

Connovar, I don't see much Essien as the Makelele mold, I think he is more of box to box player, but with Chelsea he is playing a bit deep with the system they use, However when he was with Lyon (I think) he played more as a box to box, like Gerrard. He is an immense player, thats why Chelsea missed him this season.

[aCe']

Abd about Essien... hes probably the best in what he does.. better than Mascherano and better than Alonso... offers more than both at either end of the pitch despite not having mascherano's tackling skills or Alonso's passing ability... if he isnt world class (given his position) then i dont know who is !

if Masch is a better tackler, Alonso is a better passer and Gerrard is better attacker, then what makes him better than those three ? and don't you think Fletcher, Carrick, Anderson, Hargreaves and every manscum midfielder should also be in that list ?

getting pretty boring with the whole manutd crrap lad...

Essien is a brilliant player whether you chose to admit it or not is your own prerogative.. Donno where you get the Gerrard part of your post from but i sure as hell didnt compare him to Gerrard at any point.. Between Essien, Alonso and Mascherano... i know who id pick every day of the week...

[Effes]

Well the original post was about compiling your list of top midfielders.

Essien definitely deserves to be in that list, he's world class.

Is he f*ck.

What is he "World Class" at, other than trying to break legs?

Man marking, brilliant defensive midfielder (can be better than Makelele ever was), has a hell of a shot on him too.

I think he's better than Mascherano.

He man-marked Gerrard in 1 match - big wow. When has he ever done it before or after?

Brilliant defensive midfielder? He was sh*t in the 2nd leg at Shatford Bridge...

Brilliant shot? He's scored 11 goals for Sh*tski.

Let's not get carried away, shall we?

I personally think that he's good, but "World Class" is a bridge too far for him.

[aCe']

hahahaha... Essien is just good.. not world class... hahahaha.... yea ok....

[tubby]

Well he is good enough to walk into any team in the top 4 in England and I suspect he would walk into most top European teams as well.

[metalhead]

I got to admit, essien is world class player.

[Sabre]

Abd about Essien... hes probably the best in what he does.. better than Mascherano and better than Alonso... offers more than both at either end of the pitch despite not having mascherano's tackling skills or Alonso's passing ability... if he isnt world class (given his position) then i dont know who is !

if Masch is a better tackler, Alonso is a better passer and Gerrard is better attacker, then what makes him better than those three ? and don't you think Fletcher, Carrick, Anderson, Hargreaves and every manscum midfielder should also be in that list ?

getting pretty boring with the whole manutd crrap lad...

Essien is a brilliant player whether you chose to admit it or not is your own prerogative.. Donno where you get the Gerrard part of your post from but i sure as hell didnt compare him to Gerrard at any point.. Between Essien, Alonso and Mascherano... i know who id pick every day of the week...

I have never seen you defending a Liverpool player with such passion and hahahas. 

When asked about World class you're talking about the best no? But quite simply football is a matter of tastes, you see.

Of course we all enjoy a goal like the one Essien scored today, although I hope everybody will know that there's a random component in that kind of shot. Essien is a powerful player, with great strength, and he's great defending.

Iniesta can't do that, but he can print some effect to the ball to put the ball where Cech can't reach. Note the difference between the random component of goals like Essien and Alonso the other day, and the skill required to put a boll somewhere on purpose.

Both are midfielders. Both have different attributes, people discuss about World Class, i.e, who's the best, so it's only normal that there are different tastes in a forum.

And I'd say that it's even natural that a fan defends the attributes that Mascherano and Alonso has, and Essien hasn't. And I'd say that it's not "hahaha"-esque, but natural aswell, that Liverpool fans remember tackles of Essien like the one that costed Alonso many months injured and costed us a lot of points some years back.

It's football Ace', you see some fans focus on some attributes and some in others. Some will preffer powerful midfielders, some will preffer tiny skillful players.

You can pick all you want Essien, but his team has 3 points less, and he's surrounded by top defenders and very good players. Where as, our  players have 3 points more when we've had Torres injured and no replacement for Keane.

Just my opinion anyway.

[bigmick]

Typical football Gods regarding Essien tonight. "What the feck has he ever done?" is followed by a fantastic volleyed goal from 30 yards in a Champions League semi  Then, just as we are reaching for the keyboard to say "what do you reckon on that then?" he fails to clear a ball properly and a goal results from it .

Had a fine game tonight though as he did at the Nou camp, and whenever Messi came infield Essien intercepted like one of those laser giuided bomb things (actually it was nothing like that really I just put it in for effect  ). Anyways, top player I think.

[aCe']

Abd about Essien... hes probably the best in what he does.. better than Mascherano and better than Alonso... offers more than both at either end of the pitch despite not having mascherano's tackling skills or Alonso's passing ability... if he isnt world class (given his position) then i dont know who is !

if Masch is a better tackler, Alonso is a better passer and Gerrard is better attacker, then what makes him better than those three ? and don't you think Fletcher, Carrick, Anderson, Hargreaves and every manscum midfielder should also be in that list ?

getting pretty boring with the whole manutd crrap lad...

Essien is a brilliant player whether you chose to admit it or not is your own prerogative.. Donno where you get the Gerrard part of your post from but i sure as hell didnt compare him to Gerrard at any point.. Between Essien, Alonso and Mascherano... i know who id pick every day of the week...

I have never seen you defending a Liverpool player with such passion and hahahas. 

When asked about World class you're talking about the best no? But quite simply football is a matter of tastes, you see.

Of course we all enjoy a goal like the one Essien scored today, although I hope everybody will know that there's a random component in that kind of shot. Essien is a powerful player, with great strength, and he's great defending.

Iniesta can't do that, but he can print some effect to the ball to put the ball where Cech can't reach. Note the difference between the random component of goals like Essien and Alonso the other day, and the skill required to put a boll somewhere on purpose.

Both are midfielders. Both have different attributes, people discuss about World Class, i.e, who's the best, so it's only normal that there are different tastes in a forum.

And I'd say that it's even natural that a fan defends the attributes that Mascherano and Alonso has, and Essien hasn't. And I'd say that it's not "hahaha"-esque, but natural aswell, that Liverpool fans remember tackles of Essien like the one that costed Alonso many months injured and costed us a lot of points some years back.

It's football Ace', you see some fans focus on some attributes and some in others. Some will preffer powerful midfielders, some will preffer tiny skillful players.

You can pick all you want Essien, but his team has 3 points less, and he's surrounded by top defenders and very good players. Where as, our  players have 3 points more when we've had Torres injured and no replacement for Keane.

Just my opinion anyway.

Oh where do i begin...

lets see.. trying to see past the sarcasm in your post here... Again boring as fck some of you are coming on questioning whether someone is a real fan or not... but anyways..

alright here we go...

Football is a matter of taste... you wont get an argument from me there...

Essiens goal today was class.. his all round contribution to the game was class besides his little slip that led to the goal... defensively he was spot on and going forward he had a telling contribution... but i dont think your post was mainly about Essien as much as it was in defense of our Liverpool players... besides the point as it may be ill comment on that anyways... I never said Alonso and Mascherano werent great players... I actually said more than once in this thread that theyr both very good at what they do, and at what they do best they are both better than Essien... Overall though, Essien is the better player by quite some margin IMO and i dont think many in the world would deny that hes a world class player and probably the best in his position..

The point about his team having 3 less points doesnt really hold up too well with me here... 1st of all he was out for most of the season, and he was clearly missed... their record since his return has improved dramatically...2nd..going by that we wouldnt have Kaka on that list, and players like Carrick and Giggs would undeservedly make that list...

Its all about opinions end of the day as you say but i cant help but find it laughable that some would come out and say that players like Essien and Rooney are cack, overrated, or no more than good players just because they dont play for Liverpool... Its a thread about the best midfielders in world football not the best in Liverpool FC so im sorry if Mascherano and Alonso dont make my top10 list... ill make sure i include as many current liverpool players when a thread about the all time best players in the history of the game is started... maybe Mascherano and Kuyt could make the top5 in that list...

[bigmick]

Who said Rooney was just a "good" player, overrated? We on about Wayne Rooney here not some bloke who plays for Stockport or something? I must confess he's a thoroughly dislikeable little ponce in his Man Utd garb (although he seems a reasonable enough fella in real life from what I read) and he's a bit horrible on a football pitch, but surely nobody can dispute he's a good player can they? I haven't read that one, you do get some strange views on here sometimes.

If you can watch Rooney play, and come to the conclusion that he isn't an excellent footballer at the very least, then it's hard to know how to form a sensible argument against that.

[Sabre]

Ace:

Erm, again, Liverpool F.C. Are in a better position in the same league as Chelsea, so I don't find laughable to find members that appreciate their football more.

I think I have made my point clear. Our players have attributes that Essien hasn't and viceversa, and there are people with different tastes.

I wouldn't be sarcastic if you hadn't laughed at something like a Liverpool fan not considering Essien the best, nor better than our players.

You didn't just say Essien is world class for you, no problem with that, you are laughing other options.

Question your loyalty? sorry I don't have time for that nor to any personal detail about where are you from or where you live. It's irrelevant. I'm simply making the points it's not laughable to preffer Alonso or Mascherano over Essien. I've also stated that our players have some attributes that Essien hasn't, and people will preffer our players over Essien.

Not only me, or Lando, or Nanny, no, if you realise what WORLD means (and it's not SKY News World but Earth), you might find that in forums of the World, Buenos Aires, Madrid, Milano, Moscow, there are fans preffering other players rather than Essien.

And nobody said Essien was cráp anyway, I for instance have said he's very good, and the other poster said he was good. you're sputing nervous hahahahas, just because a Liverpool fan doesn't consider Essien the fúcking best or any better than our own players. Get a grip.

Your loyalty? I couldn't care less than discussing about your personal details.

[aCe']

Who said Rooney was just a "good" player, overrated? We on about Wayne Rooney here not some bloke who plays for Stockport or something? I must confess he's a thoroughly dislikeable little ponce in his Man Utd garb (although he seems a reasonable enough fella in real life from what I read) and he's a bit horrible on a football pitch, but surely nobody can dispute he's a good player can they? I haven't read that one, you do get some strange views on here sometimes.

If you can watch Rooney play, and come to the conclusion that he isn't an excellent footballer at the very least, then it's hard to know how to form a sensible argument against that.

was our very own footballing expert Lando ... Apparently Essien and Rooney are sh!t  ...

Quote (bavlondon @ May 04 2009,20:37)
Rooney should have been really playing for Ireland too.

Lando:

If he DID play for Ireland, this myth that he's some wonder-player would never have been dreamed up.

He's the most overrated shock of sh*te I have ever seen waddle on a football field.


Im sorry Sabre i know you and Lando now share a special relationship and all that but i truely cant help but find his footballing knowledge laughable at best...

[Sabre]

Says Menotti's grandson. 


Ok, it's ok you find my or anyone's knowledge laughable. I can't be ársed to talk about your knowledge right now.

[aCe']

Ace:

Erm, again, Liverpool F.C. Are in a better position in the same league as Chelsea, so I don't find laughable to find members that appreciate their football more.

I think I have made my point clear. Our players have attributes that Essien hasn't and viceversa, and there are people with different tastes.

I wouldn't be sarcastic if you hadn't laughed at something like a Liverpool fan not considering Essien the best, nor better than our players.

You didn't just say Essien is world class for you, no problem with that, you are laughing other options.

Question your loyalty? sorry I don't have time for that nor to any personal detail about where are you from or where you live. It's irrelevant. I'm simply making the points it's not laughable to preffer Alonso or Mascherano over Essien. I've also stated that our players have some attributes that Essien hasn't, and people will preffer our players over Essien.

Not only me, or Lando, or Nanny, no, if you realise what WORLD means (and it's not SKY News World but Earth), you might find that in forums of the World, Buenos Aires, Madrid, Milano, Moscow, there are fans preffering other players rather than Essien.

And nobody said Essien was cráp anyway, I for instance have said he's very good, and the other poster said he was good. you're sputing nervous hahahahas, just because a Liverpool fan doesn't consider Essien the fúcking best or any better than our own players. Get a grip.

Your loyalty? I couldn't care less than discussing about your personal details.

Lets give it a break Sabre, you made your point clear and so have i ......
there isnt much to be said about this and all that needs saying has been said... all about opinions and all that... i get it now thanks for explaining it to me...

[Sabre]

Ok, move on.