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Mate I dunno I am trying to defend Rafa becasue I really think he can win the league here but it seems others will not be happy until he has gone. I dont know what to say im depressed. 

No problem Bav, it just annoys me when people use the excuse that Rafa hasn't had the money..... IMO he has. Just go with the Torres out and Gerrard half fit excuse and I am happy with that mate. 

Or better yet just stick to slagging of Kuyt. That's always a popular one around here. 

      Yeah you can't go wrong with that one 

[NANNY RED]

ROME is nailed on FACT 

If Ken and Deedree split and get married again before then i might just start to believe that myself lol

Could be on a winner there murph hes gettin his leg over with someone else at the mo an all.

[Toffeehater]

Its days like this where I think about seriously killing a Man Utd fan.

Im sick of there fecking rants after every game we balls up in..

I do that on most days anyway lol

SAck RAfa lets get Joe Royal or Alan Curbishley or even that other top draw manager who will do well in Europe Big sam allerdyce.

If Rafa gets as much time as alex ferguson did im sure he will deliver the title.  RAfa has got to admit our squad is not good enough.  Babel hes been shocking. Lucas has been very poor indeed and even Caragher for me isint all that. Yes hes amazing at defending but he cant pass the ball forward more than 5 yards.

Oh its hard being a red isint it, im just dreaming of Rome now.  And for almost 20 years before RAfa come we couldnt dream about getting to a 3rd european final in 5 seasons

bad times

another one , thats the thing rafa has had time , he has had money , just not spent it wisely . Good players that rafa has bought , 6 players in 5 years . He had keane , he sold him why? i will never know , he's a arrogant rafa

Reina
Alonso
Masch
Torres
Kuyt
Riera

Why he sold Keane ill tell you mate cause he was s h t for us fulls top.  Made a mistake buying him, and got rid quickly so he could get most of the money back we spent on him.

Hes arrogant lol who do you want as manager to replace him?  Let me guess Mourinho now he is arrogant.

If you look at closely mate all the players who arent really stepping up to plate our all players around the ten million mark, arent they? If you look at man utds team they dont have many of these players as most of there players our close to the 20 million mark.  A 10 million pound player is not as good as a 20 million pound player.  Hes had money to spend but on many occasions hes wanted better players but not had the resources so had to go for the cheaper option.  So thats aload of bull mate.

Come on tell me who you want to manage liverpool?

Really the same who was one of the top strikers in the premier league? The same keane that whenever scored was dropped? How do you think that affected his confidence? Put yourself in his shoes , he was played as a loan striker a role he has never played before , he and berbatov formed the best partnership in the league last season .

Rafa puts his pride first , he can sign owen in the summer if he's still here but will not because he's got his pride . At least mourinho knows how to get wins , he puts his best squad out and does not fecking rotate . Rafa has had loads of money and like i said the money he has spend on quantity could have been used to acquire 3 more world class players .

What rafa has done for this club mate, he deserves our support from supporters.  Every year where improving in the league and also doing well in Europe where ranked number one on the points ranking system uefa have got.  Not that means anything like but come on.  Before beintez come to Liverpool where were we? 

If we do get a new manger and he dosnt start of that well lets say he dosnt win anything and finishes 4th, how long would you give him before you want him to go?  Im going back to Fergy here he won bugger all for years, rafas one the biggest trophie in europe nearly adding to that the next year getting to the semi's. and winning the fa cup. 

Im gettign bored even trying to argue now its pointless, lets sack him and go threw another 4 managers in the next few years lol

Roy Evans didnt win the title and was booted.
Houllier after 5 years delivered no title and was booted.
Rafa in his 5th season will not deliver the title and to be honest is nowhere near it.  He should go.

He has challenged and this season we have come closer to it , i think if he gets any silverware this season he should be given at least another season , and a kitty of 50 million lets see what he can do with that

[Ciggy]

ROME is nailed on FACT 

If Ken and Deedree split and get married again before then i might just start to believe that myself lol

Well ken is having an affair isnt he 

[Greavesie]

look TH, what Im saying is you cant want Rafa out and then say keep him when we win, its not that simple. If our club had fans all the same as yourself we, as a club, would never get the chance to progress.

[tubby]

Worst performance of the season, our fringe players are not good enough, and its obvious they put everything into the madrid game and had nothing left. i am not as angry as last week because last week I think we all know it was then we lost our title chance.

We have no strength beyond our first 11 full stop.

Is the best post on this thread.

100% correct. Our first 11 on their day is as good as any in the league, but outside that, things are thin. Our bench today proved it. In fact, having El Zahr on the pitch proved it. We need a gluttony of signings in the summer of quality. Do we have the money for it? I don't think so. We may have to settle for two really high class signings and some better quality squad players. Some players will have to be sold off, and I expect players like Lucas, Benayoun, Babel and several fringe players to exit. Honestly, it doesn't matter if the manager is replaced. It won't change the situation for us. In fact, I can only see it worsening if that happens. If Benitez really has maintained that he wanted more control of signings, then lets see if his word is true. If he signs a few lesser unknowns and squad fillers again, well, then I'd advocate that he leaves because he will no longer have this leaning stick of an excuse to fall back upon.

Good post with a lot of truths

Good post ..... you just forgot to mention who's fault it is that the squad is so weak and who bought all the poor players that fill it.

And before you say it , no it wasn't Parry

The squad is not so weak, s@int. Considering we've gone this long and only now is the depth starting to show. United have a better bench. Chelsea's squad is still vastly superior to ours, yet we're still kicking about close to them in the table. The difference, and I still strongly maintain this, is that Chelsea and United can strengthen at will by signings players costing in excess of 20 million at a time. United and Chelsea average spending of at least 50 million in the summer, whereas we barely manage over 20 million to spend. That's the difference. United's team has had the ball rolling for over 15 years in the league, and all they have to do is drop big sums on their primary targets to strengthen and replace, whereas Benitez (and Houllier respectively) have had to do a complete rebuild of the entire squad almost. It is seriously unfair to berate a manager who's had to come into a club in the state ours has been in, and expect him to win the title in a set period of time. Who the f*ck makes these rules up anyway? Like I said, let's see who we go for in the Summer and who we manage to get. Like it or not, people, it's a fact these days that the CL is massively important to football clubs. It's the promised land, and everyone is trying to get there. Problem is, not everyone is allowed. It's an attraction of major talent to a team if you do well in it. Problem is, if you don't have the cash to splash on that talent, you won't get them. We have the best manager is Europe for that competition. If we do really well this year in it, and get the money now that Benitez has no more obstacles obstructing his dealings, then maybe, just maybe, we'll get our David Villa's and Dani Alves's of this world playing for the most promising side to be competing on the European front.

Thats the point I was trying to get across Saint. 

Emerald put it just right.

[Toffeehater]

Its days like this where I think about seriously killing a Man Utd fan.

Im sick of there fecking rants after every game we balls up in..

I do that on most days anyway lol

SAck RAfa lets get Joe Royal or Alan Curbishley or even that other top draw manager who will do well in Europe Big sam allerdyce.

If Rafa gets as much time as alex ferguson did im sure he will deliver the title.  RAfa has got to admit our squad is not good enough.  Babel hes been shocking. Lucas has been very poor indeed and even Caragher for me isint all that. Yes hes amazing at defending but he cant pass the ball forward more than 5 yards.

Oh its hard being a red isint it, im just dreaming of Rome now.  And for almost 20 years before RAfa come we couldnt dream about getting to a 3rd european final in 5 seasons

bad times

another one , thats the thing rafa has had time , he has had money , just not spent it wisely . Good players that rafa has bought , 6 players in 5 years . He had keane , he sold him why? i will never know , he's a arrogant rafa

Reina
Alonso
Masch
Torres
Kuyt
Riera

Why he sold Keane ill tell you mate cause he was s h t for us fulls top.  Made a mistake buying him, and got rid quickly so he could get most of the money back we spent on him.

Hes arrogant lol who do you want as manager to replace him?  Let me guess Mourinho now he is arrogant.

If you look at closely mate all the players who arent really stepping up to plate our all players around the ten million mark, arent they? If you look at man utds team they dont have many of these players as most of there players our close to the 20 million mark.  A 10 million pound player is not as good as a 20 million pound player.  Hes had money to spend but on many occasions hes wanted better players but not had the resources so had to go for the cheaper option.  So thats aload of bull mate.

Come on tell me who you want to manage liverpool?

Really the same who was one of the top strikers in the premier league? The same keane that whenever scored was dropped? How do you think that affected his confidence? Put yourself in his shoes , he was played as a loan striker a role he has never played before , he and berbatov formed the best partnership in the league last season .

Rafa puts his pride first , he can sign owen in the summer if he's still here but will not because he's got his pride . At least mourinho knows how to get wins , he puts his best squad out and does not fecking rotate . Rafa has had loads of money and like i said the money he has spend on quantity could have been used to acquire 3 more world class players .

What rafa has done for this club mate, he deserves our support from supporters.  Every year where improving in the league and also doing well in Europe where ranked number one on the points ranking system uefa have got.  Not that means anything like but come on.  Before beintez come to Liverpool where were we? 

If we do get a new manger and he dosnt start of that well lets say he dosnt win anything and finishes 4th, how long would you give him before you want him to go?  Im going back to Fergy here he won bugger all for years, rafas one the biggest trophie in europe nearly adding to that the next year getting to the semi's. and winning the fa cup. 

Im gettign bored even trying to argue now its pointless, lets sack him and go threw another 4 managers in the next few years lol

We're a cup team , we can't last the distance in the league thats why . Mourinho won the champions league with porto , greece won the euro's , how do you respond to that ? Anything is possible with the right mentality and manager is whether he is willing to go for , 1st half of the season he was brilliant rafa , when we were losing he took of fullbacks , today he takes of stevie , leaves masch on . He has with the team a couple of times this season and got away with it today we paid the price .

Teams we have dropped points against :
Fulham
Stoke , twice
Spurs at least a draw on paper , a win based on performance
City
Hull

we could have got at least 10 points from the games here

your pointing facts out about cups and that, so why is that if its so easy to win a european cup why we never done for twenty years?

Thats a way to respond back

[murphy0151]

Rafa's crazy rant at fergie has cost us , he opened his mouth and we've been in a bliiiiiiiiippp ever since , giving up our points lead

Do you think that it costs us more than Gerrard not being available and Torres not being available Toffeehater?

I don't think so to be honest.

I don't think any words from Rafa to the press has more importance than how we train, how good we are in squad depth (this is down to Rafa) and how we play and who we miss.

Mate , the difference between us and the mancs is they don't depend on 2 players , our play is built around torres and gerrard whereas the mancs pass the ball around and they loads of players who can get goals for them , vidic , ronaldo , rooney heck even fletcher .

Rafa has got to change his mentality , there are times where we are attacking but we pass the all the way back to the defense , i ahve rarely seen the mancs , chavs or arsenal do that

It's not Rafas style and wasnt at Valencia so why should he change? We brought him in so we were obviously saying yeah we like your style come to us.

Diversity , if yout style does not work anymore and the opponent learns it don't you have to change your tactics? It's generally the law of the jungle , rafa only has one style . Rotation does not work and he keeps persisting with it , if we get another champions league title , well done rafa even that i doubt it

It dosnt work for us but it does work.

Dont other top teams rotate look the facts up all the big teams rotate.

[REDTILLDEAD]

Its days like this where I think about seriously killing a Man Utd fan.

Im sick of there fecking rants after every game we balls up in..

I do that on most days anyway lol

SAck RAfa lets get Joe Royal or Alan Curbishley or even that other top draw manager who will do well in Europe Big sam allerdyce.

If Rafa gets as much time as alex ferguson did im sure he will deliver the title.  RAfa has got to admit our squad is not good enough.  Babel hes been shocking. Lucas has been very poor indeed and even Caragher for me isint all that. Yes hes amazing at defending but he cant pass the ball forward more than 5 yards.

Oh its hard being a red isint it, im just dreaming of Rome now.  And for almost 20 years before RAfa come we couldnt dream about getting to a 3rd european final in 5 seasons

bad times

another one , thats the thing rafa has had time , he has had money , just not spent it wisely . Good players that rafa has bought , 6 players in 5 years . He had keane , he sold him why? i will never know , he's a arrogant rafa

Reina
Alonso
Masch
Torres
Kuyt
Riera

Why he sold Keane ill tell you mate cause he was s h t for us fulls top.  Made a mistake buying him, and got rid quickly so he could get most of the money back we spent on him.

Hes arrogant lol who do you want as manager to replace him?  Let me guess Mourinho now he is arrogant.

If you look at closely mate all the players who arent really stepping up to plate our all players around the ten million mark, arent they? If you look at man utds team they dont have many of these players as most of there players our close to the 20 million mark.  A 10 million pound player is not as good as a 20 million pound player.  Hes had money to spend but on many occasions hes wanted better players but not had the resources so had to go for the cheaper option.  So thats aload of bull mate.

Come on tell me who you want to manage liverpool?

Really the same who was one of the top strikers in the premier league? The same keane that whenever scored was dropped? How do you think that affected his confidence? Put yourself in his shoes , he was played as a loan striker a role he has never played before , he and berbatov formed the best partnership in the league last season .

Rafa puts his pride first , he can sign owen in the summer if he's still here but will not because he's got his pride . At least mourinho knows how to get wins , he puts his best squad out and does not fecking rotate . Rafa has had loads of money and like i said the money he has spend on quantity could have been used to acquire 3 more world class players .

What rafa has done for this club mate, he deserves our support from supporters.  Every year where improving in the league and also doing well in Europe where ranked number one on the points ranking system uefa have got.  Not that means anything like but come on.  Before beintez come to Liverpool where were we? 

If we do get a new manger and he dosnt start of that well lets say he dosnt win anything and finishes 4th, how long would you give him before you want him to go?  Im going back to Fergy here he won bugger all for years, rafas one the biggest trophie in europe nearly adding to that the next year getting to the semi's. and winning the fa cup. 

Im gettign bored even trying to argue now its pointless, lets sack him and go threw another 4 managers in the next few years lol

Roy Evans didnt win the title and was booted.
Houllier after 5 years delivered no title and was booted.
Rafa in his 5th season will not deliver the title and to be honest is nowhere near it.  He should go.

He has challenged and this season we have come closer to it , i think if he gets any silverware this season he should be given at least another season , and a kitty of 50 million lets see what he can do with that

God forbid!!.....he willl never win us the title.....the mancs must be p1ss1ing themselves.

[Sabre]

On the other hand, there are users that do know being dissapointed making decent points

Mate , the difference between us and the mancs is they don't depend on 2 players , our play is built around torres and gerrard whereas the mancs pass the ball around and they loads of players who can get goals for them , vidic , ronaldo , rooney heck even fletcher .

Rafa has got to change his mentality , there are times where we are attacking but we pass the all the way back to the defense , i ahve rarely seen the mancs , chavs or arsenal do that

Ah, ok, but those are other powerful reasons that have nothing to do with Rafa's rant on Ferguson Toffee.

And I have no option but to admit there's some truth in that, especially in that we don't have valid options when we lose our main players, and that's Rafa's responsability.

The manager has to talk seriously with the team after today's game, as in my eyes, THIS one was really bad in all fronts, including the will to win.

[Toffeehater]

look TH, what Im saying is you cant want Rafa out and then say keep him when we win, its not that simple. If our club had fans all the same as yourself we, as a club, would never get the chance to progress.

I never said keep him when we win . I'm not that fickle , i've just said he deserves another season if we get the cl and he should be given 50 million to be spend if he does not win it or we're not as close , he should go . Credit where is due mate , thats what i give him , he's a great manager in the cl , there's no one better but he has got to treat the league with more respect

[tubby]

Rafa's crazy rant at fergie has cost us , he opened his mouth and we've been in a bliiiiiiiiippp ever since , giving up our points lead

Do you think that it costs us more than Gerrard not being available and Torres not being available Toffeehater?

I don't think so to be honest.

I don't think any words from Rafa to the press has more importance than how we train, how good we are in squad depth (this is down to Rafa) and how we play and who we miss.

Mate , the difference between us and the mancs is they don't depend on 2 players , our play is built around torres and gerrard whereas the mancs pass the ball around and they loads of players who can get goals for them , vidic , ronaldo , rooney heck even fletcher .

Rafa has got to change his mentality , there are times where we are attacking but we pass the all the way back to the defense , i ahve rarely seen the mancs , chavs or arsenal do that

It's not Rafas style and wasnt at Valencia so why should he change? We brought him in so we were obviously saying yeah we like your style come to us.

Diversity , if yout style does not work anymore and the opponent learns it don't you have to change your tactics? It's generally the law of the jungle , rafa only has one style . Rotation does not work and he keeps persisting with it , if we get another champions league title , well done rafa even that i doubt it

It dosnt work for us but it does work.

Dont other top teams rotate look the facts up all the big teams rotate.

Yeah in fact it was said the other day that Fergie has rotated more than Rafa this season. The difference is that the players he rotates with are better than ours.

[murphy0151]

Its days like this where I think about seriously killing a Man Utd fan.

Im sick of there fecking rants after every game we balls up in..

I do that on most days anyway lol

SAck RAfa lets get Joe Royal or Alan Curbishley or even that other top draw manager who will do well in Europe Big sam allerdyce.

If Rafa gets as much time as alex ferguson did im sure he will deliver the title.  RAfa has got to admit our squad is not good enough.  Babel hes been shocking. Lucas has been very poor indeed and even Caragher for me isint all that. Yes hes amazing at defending but he cant pass the ball forward more than 5 yards.

Oh its hard being a red isint it, im just dreaming of Rome now.  And for almost 20 years before RAfa come we couldnt dream about getting to a 3rd european final in 5 seasons

bad times

another one , thats the thing rafa has had time , he has had money , just not spent it wisely . Good players that rafa has bought , 6 players in 5 years . He had keane , he sold him why? i will never know , he's a arrogant rafa

Reina
Alonso
Masch
Torres
Kuyt
Riera

Why he sold Keane ill tell you mate cause he was s h t for us fulls top.  Made a mistake buying him, and got rid quickly so he could get most of the money back we spent on him.

Hes arrogant lol who do you want as manager to replace him?  Let me guess Mourinho now he is arrogant.

If you look at closely mate all the players who arent really stepping up to plate our all players around the ten million mark, arent they? If you look at man utds team they dont have many of these players as most of there players our close to the 20 million mark.  A 10 million pound player is not as good as a 20 million pound player.  Hes had money to spend but on many occasions hes wanted better players but not had the resources so had to go for the cheaper option.  So thats aload of bull mate.

Come on tell me who you want to manage liverpool?

Really the same who was one of the top strikers in the premier league? The same keane that whenever scored was dropped? How do you think that affected his confidence? Put yourself in his shoes , he was played as a loan striker a role he has never played before , he and berbatov formed the best partnership in the league last season .

Rafa puts his pride first , he can sign owen in the summer if he's still here but will not because he's got his pride . At least mourinho knows how to get wins , he puts his best squad out and does not fecking rotate . Rafa has had loads of money and like i said the money he has spend on quantity could have been used to acquire 3 more world class players .

What rafa has done for this club mate, he deserves our support from supporters.  Every year where improving in the league and also doing well in Europe where ranked number one on the points ranking system uefa have got.  Not that means anything like but come on.  Before beintez come to Liverpool where were we? 

If we do get a new manger and he dosnt start of that well lets say he dosnt win anything and finishes 4th, how long would you give him before you want him to go?  Im going back to Fergy here he won bugger all for years, rafas one the biggest trophie in europe nearly adding to that the next year getting to the semi's. and winning the fa cup. 

Im gettign bored even trying to argue now its pointless, lets sack him and go threw another 4 managers in the next few years lol

Roy Evans didnt win the title and was booted.
Houllier after 5 years delivered no title and was booted.
Rafa in his 5th season will not deliver the title and to be honest is nowhere near it.  He should go.

With that judgement man utd would of got rid of alex and not gone on to be what they are today.

[NANNY RED]

your pointing facts out about cups and that, so why is that if its so easy to win a european cup why we never done for twenty years?

Thats a way to respond back[/quote]
But hes right though Toff

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Worst performance of the season, our fringe players are not good enough, and its obvious they put everything into the madrid game and had nothing left. i am not as angry as last week because last week I think we all know it was then we lost our title chance.

We have no strength beyond our first 11 full stop.

Is the best post on this thread.

100% correct. Our first 11 on their day is as good as any in the league, but outside that, things are thin. Our bench today proved it. In fact, having El Zahr on the pitch proved it. We need a gluttony of signings in the summer of quality. Do we have the money for it? I don't think so. We may have to settle for two really high class signings and some better quality squad players. Some players will have to be sold off, and I expect players like Lucas, Benayoun, Babel and several fringe players to exit. Honestly, it doesn't matter if the manager is replaced. It won't change the situation for us. In fact, I can only see it worsening if that happens. If Benitez really has maintained that he wanted more control of signings, then lets see if his word is true. If he signs a few lesser unknowns and squad fillers again, well, then I'd advocate that he leaves because he will no longer have this leaning stick of an excuse to fall back upon.

Good post with a lot of truths

Good post ..... you just forgot to mention who's fault it is that the squad is so weak and who bought all the poor players that fill it.

And before you say it , no it wasn't Parry

The squad is not so weak, s@int. Considering we've gone this long and only now is the depth starting to show. United have a better bench. Chelsea's squad is still vastly superior to ours, yet we're still kicking about close to them in the table. The difference, and I still strongly maintain this, is that Chelsea and United can strengthen at will by signings players costing in excess of 20 million at a time. United and Chelsea average spending of at least 50 million in the summer, whereas we barely manage over 20 million to spend. That's the difference. United's team has had the ball rolling for over 15 years in the league, and all they have to do is drop big sums on their primary targets to strengthen and replace, whereas Benitez (and Houllier respectively) have had to do a complete rebuild of the entire squad almost. It is seriously unfair to berate a manager who's had to come into a club in the state ours has been in, and expect him to win the title in a set period of time. Who the f*ck makes these rules up anyway? Like I said, let's see who we go for in the Summer and who we manage to get. Like it or not, people, it's a fact these days that the CL is massively important to football clubs. It's the promised land, and everyone is trying to get there. Problem is, not everyone is allowed. It's an attraction of major talent to a team if you do well in it. Problem is, if you don't have the cash to splash on that talent, you won't get them. We have the best manager is Europe for that competition. If we do really well this year in it, and get the money now that Benitez has no more obstacles obstructing his dealings, then maybe, just maybe, we'll get our David Villa's and Dani Alves's of this world playing for the most promising side to be competing on the European front.

I am not going to arrgue mate, if you want to ignore the facts thats up to you. I posted the league table of spends and since Rafa came Chelsea have spent LESS THAN £3MILLION PER SEASON more than us on average .

We get the same excuses every season, and every season its the poor buys that cost us ...... not how much he spends. £40million this season for example. A striker who has now gone, a defender who cant defend, a winger that cant last longer than an hour and a defender who may as well be the invisible man ...... because no one has ever seen him.