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[LegBarnes]

sad "cry" 

All i can say about today sad day for liverpool i personal think rafa wont stay to much longer if results carry on like this but i do feel its very unfair the media have turned it into a hate campain with him very uncool. 

[ClONMEL_RED]

IF Torres joined this great club because Benitez spoke Spanish and was from his city............then off he can go , But lets face it he didnt , he isnt a fool , he joined because we are one of a small group of clubs that make the hairs stand up on the back of your head .....in fairness..........
If everyone was behind benitez them they would have realised the serious situation their gaffer is in and would have grinded out a win  in at least one of these matches,,,,city , wigan or middlesborough.........
The only reason torres would leave if he gf held a gun to his head and said i dont like it here///

[ivor_the_injun]

So say Rafa does get sacked? What will happen? Our best players could all potentially leave. Gerrard, Alonso, Torres, Mascherano could all potentially want to exit after the manager that brought them there in the first place (apart from Gerrard). Certainly Torres hinted at it earlier in the season if Rafa were to be sacked. Benitez has brought in some world class players for us. Can we easily replace them if they were to go? Simple answer is no. IMO, sacking Rafa will set us back five years and potentially plunge is into a nightmare scenario of no champions league football for a few at least a few years or worse. It's taking time, but Rafa is slowly finding us the players we need to take us in the right direction towards not only winning the PL, but the CL also.

Absolutely.

If we really want to do a Leeds, sack Rafa.

If we want to bring the good times back, back him to the hilt.

I don't enjoy days like today, but honestly, look at our squad now compared to 4 years ago. It's maddening when people think we're going backwards, it really is.

We're not going to win the league this season, and before the season this was obvious. The sooner people look at the bigger picture, the quicker we can all move forward.

[The_Rock]

And obviously im not blaming Babel for liverpools lost of form before i get slated!!!!!!!! He has massive potential, point im tryin to make is give Anderson and others a chance........ too many players are in the team because of past achievements and rep's

No worries mate..
Babel and the rest of the new crew will probably start losing their technical abilities soon. This is either due to the training regime or lack of use... either way, they will be assimilated..

Even babel mentioned that rafa only concentrates on defensive work during training....

[liverpoolfc4ever]

GET RAFA OUT IVE HAD A ENOUGH OF THIS DRAWING WITH BORO WHAT A JOKE GET MCCLAREN AALRYDCE OR MOWBRAY IN NEED A DECENT ENGLISH MANAGER.

[Emerald Red]

GET RAFA OUT IVE HAD A ENOUGH OF THIS DRAWING WITH BORO WHAT A JOKE GET MCCLAREN AALRYDCE OR MOWBRAY IN NEED A DECENT ENGLISH MANAGER.

LOL

Quality

Yes, let's get dirty Sam in. He couldn't cut it at Newcastle, but he'll certainly cut it for us! 

[ClONMEL_RED]

playin for real madrid /barcelona/ac milan / inter is glamourous if you are from ireland england scotland or wales...........playing for liverpool , arsenal or manure is even more glamourous if you're from the back of no where in the madrid countryside............. he wont leave just because Benitez leaves..... Everyone in Spain imagine  is proud of the lad........... he has earned the respect of not only at.madrid fans now . All in all he is amazing talent.

[Thinkpad]

The way i see it either win the FA cup or the Champions league...or rafa has to go...as there is no marked improvement in our team.

Oh give over. Win a knockout competition or you're fired?

We're currently the fourth best team in the country. We have been ever since Rafa arrived. On a given day the gap between all four teams isn't that great, and indeed closer than it has been since Houllier was here, but holding a gun to the guy's head if he fails to leapfrog our three domestic rivals to get some silverware is just f*cking madness.

If you want a team that expects something they don't have the personnel to obtain, go get yourselves a barcodes shirt. 

We have to ask the question.. Are we seriously so much better in term of performance now compared to last year? How about two years ago? Three years ago? Is today's performance the best in 5 years? If it is not staying at 4th place is stagnation.

yes we closing the gap these few years.. but realistically can we close it further? Or have we reached a plateu?

Sometimes we can tell by looking at the team the way they play if we can really progressed to the next level. At the momment I just can't see it.

In sales, sometimes the sales person may not hit target, but we can tell from his pipeline and hardwork that he has the capability to be a top sales person. So the manager will keep him.

Similarly is another sales person never hit target and has not much pipeline and keep taking breaks and leave. We know he has no hope.

It is there to see.. it is just whether we care to accept it now or later. We are hoping angainst all hope it is different. But reality can be cruel.

The reason for sacking Rafa now is a two edge sword. We may continue to spiral down if he leaves now. But it will give the new manager time to start looking at the team and do some rebuilding early before next season.

Well I hate salesmen so I'm going to ignore that allusion. 

We have a 25 goals a season man. We now need to find him a partner.

Plus, think about how little service we've had from either wing this season and it's mouthwatering to think how many goals our team could score. With a couple of wingers that can pop up with half a dozen league goals each year, there's plenty of potential at our club for more to happen.

The bottom line is that the performances aren't much better because the same problems remain. Does anyone genuinely think that a couple of signings in the right areas couldn't change our side immeasurably? If you do, get your "Rafa out" banners made. Truth is though, a striker than can hit a barn door and a left winger that can both stay fit and cross would improve our fortunes no end. The big difference this season is that we only need one more top class striker, that much is clear.

Ahahaha..
It is true with two great winger and another great strikers Liverpool will be pushing forward. Why didn't this done earlier? We knew we are short in those areas last year. In fact, we lacks creative players too, pretty much since two seasons ago. Maybe money is an issue, but we know he went out to buy who..

Likewise, most of his purchase has not really materialised into good buys. Either he is not getting the best from them or they are lousy buy is open to debate. I still feel he moulds the players into something he wants too much. In the end they are neither what he wants and not what they are capable of. In limbo if you know what I mean.

We loss so much in fluidty, passing, dribbling and creativity since then. How did a team trying to achieve so much lose those basic skills needed to get into the academy in the first place? Mind boggling..

[Red @ Heart]

GET RAFA OUT IVE HAD A ENOUGH OF THIS DRAWING WITH BORO WHAT A JOKE GET MCCLAREN AALRYDCE OR MOWBRAY IN NEED A DECENT ENGLISH MANAGER.

hmmm yeah ok, those managers wouild do the trick

[The_Rock]

So say Rafa does get sacked? What will happen? Our best players could all potentially leave. Gerrard, Alonso, Torres, Mascherano could all potentially want to exit after the manager that brought them there in the first place (apart from Gerrard). Certainly Torres hinted at it earlier in the season if Rafa were to be sacked. Benitez has brought in some world class players for us. Can we easily replace them if they were to go? Simple answer is no. IMO, sacking Rafa will set us back five years and potentially plunge is into a nightmare scenario of no champions league football for a few at least a few years or worse. It's taking time, but Rafa is slowly finding us the players we need to take us in the right direction towards not only winning the PL, but the CL also.

If the players come to this club because of a manager....then they can go back to whereever they come from.

I am sure a new manager (who is good of course) can replace them.

BTW...i don't think carra and gerrard will ever leave this club (the backbone of this club)..


And holy sh1t......manure are in front..... 

[LegBarnes]

FOOOOOOOK MAN U 1 NEW 0

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So say Rafa does get sacked? What will happen? Our best players could all potentially leave. Gerrard, Alonso, Torres, Mascherano could all potentially want to exit after the manager that brought them there in the first place (apart from Gerrard). Certainly Torres hinted at it earlier in the season if Rafa were to be sacked. Benitez has brought in some world class players for us. Can we easily replace them if they were to go? Simple answer is no. IMO, sacking Rafa will set us back five years and potentially plunge is into a nightmare scenario of no champions league football for a few at least a few years or worse. It's taking time, but Rafa is slowly finding us the players we need to take us in the right direction towards not only winning the PL, but the CL also.

Absolutely.

If we really want to do a Leeds, sack Rafa.

If we want to bring the good times back, back him to the hilt.

I don't enjoy days like today, but honestly, look at our squad now compared to 4 years ago. It's maddening when people think we're going backwards, it really is.

We're not going to win the league this season, and before the season this was obvious. The sooner people look at the bigger picture, the quicker we can all move forward.

I don't want to get into knocking Rafa, but we could have the best squad of players in the world but if they don't bother playing on the Saturday we arn't going to get very far are we.

Its no point having a great squad if they don't play like one.

Was that any improvement on a Houllier team performance? I don't think so mate.

[Thinkpad]

We can argue till the cow come home... It is a matter of opinion and choices.

When Houlier left, we were worried that we will be going back 5 years. did it happened? Rafa leaving now can't really do anymore damage that him staying at the moment. If the team really has no confidence in rafa, why persist? We have to ask what would improve Liverpool in the short and long term. What is the strength and weaknesses having him remain as manager?

Lastly, why do we always assume he new manager will do much more damage than now? If the new manager is not good enough why hire him to take over in the first place? curious... I understand as humans we hate change.. but change an be for the better..

[ClONMEL_RED]

Benitez is very very good manager..............but can anyone tell me who was in charge of barca and real when he won his leagues......  i cannot remember but barca were as as they have been in yrs when benitez was there......... real , who was there manager??
Benitez is was and is up against probably the three best managers seen in a long long time....Wenger, ferguson and Mourinho........... thats why Benitez can and never will win the epl  while the former two are around.........BUT IM WILLING TO GO A LONG WITH THE BLIND OPTIMISM  that many have in rafa...Hope he proves me wrong...... im only 21 and have lots of time  on my side, but id be well annoyed if i was older ( they might not every see a liverpool player lift the epl ) if benitez hangs around!

[lakes10]

So say Rafa does get sacked? What will happen? Our best players could all potentially leave. Gerrard, Alonso, Torres, Mascherano could all potentially want to exit after the manager that brought them there in the first place (apart from Gerrard). Certainly Torres hinted at it earlier in the season if Rafa were to be sacked. Benitez has brought in some world class players for us. Can we easily replace them if they were to go? Simple answer is no. IMO, sacking Rafa will set us back five years and potentially plunge is into a nightmare scenario of no champions league football for a few at least a few years or worse. It's taking time, but Rafa is slowly finding us the players we need to take us in the right direction towards not only winning the PL, but the CL also.

Rafa can not keep his job by holding a gun ot our heads by saying that if he leave then somwe players will go with him.

It will be down to the new owners and new manager to keep the players and they will.