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[The_Rock]

Ronnie Whelan on Irish radio has just said Benitez has to go , i dunno, he makes good points, Benitez has spent 150 mill odd,  he has made no progress since Instanbul...............I really like Benitez and hopes the players cop on to themselves........ On paper they look like v . good players but they dont look too interested in playing for Benitez?..........The players more so than Benitez need to take a good hard look at themselves..... There is no reason why players like Riise and Vorinin both around 27 ( prob 10 years as a professional)  can't perform against losers like Middlesborough!!

Did i mention that ronnie whelan is one of my favourite players..... Before any m0r0n here comments who the hell is whelan to talk about rafa ? well he is an-ex player who only wants our team to get back to the top.....

He can't see it happening..and i have to agree with him.

Rafa is screwing up the rich tradition we have.

[The_Rock]

The way i see it either win the FA cup or the Champions league...or rafa has to go...as there is no marked improvement in our team.

Oh give over. Win a knockout competition or you're fired?

We're currently the fourth best team in the country. We have been ever since Rafa arrived. On a given day the gap between all four teams isn't that great, and indeed closer than it has been since Houllier was here, but holding a gun to the guy's head if he fails to leapfrog our three domestic rivals to get some silverware is just f*cking madness.

If you want a team that expects something they don't have the personnel to obtain, go get yourselves a barcodes shirt. 

Funny....i thought rafa was brought in to improve this team...and not to maintain status quo..... 

And again blaming that we don't have the personnel ? yeah..i agree with you...so why is that ? Who was the one who bought Kuyt and Voronin ? Why buy crouch and lucas when you are not going to you use ? Why buy sissoko ?

And then complain...we don't have money to buy anelka...

eh.....ok..... 

[lakes10]

Ronnie Whelan on Irish radio has just said Benitez has to go , i dunno, he makes good points, Benitez has spent 150 mill odd,  he has made no progress since Instanbul...............I really like Benitez and hopes the players cop on to themselves........ On paper they look like v . good players but they dont look too interested in playing for Benitez?..........The players more so than Benitez need to take a good hard look at themselves..... There is no reason why players like Riise and Vorinin both around 27 ( prob 10 years as a professional)  can't perform against losers like Middlesborough!!

Did i mention that ronnie whelan is one of my favourite players..... Before any m0r0n here comments who the hell is whelan to talk about rafa ? well he is an-ex player who only wants our team to get back to the top.....

He can't see it happening..and i have to agree with him.

Rafa is screwing up the rich tradition we have.

Ronnie Whelan was a great player, a hard player.
if you add what he is saying to the rest of the stuff that has gone on this week then the clock has almost run down on Rafa.

[ivor_the_injun]

The way i see it either win the FA cup or the Champions league...or rafa has to go...as there is no marked improvement in our team.

Oh give over. Win a knockout competition or you're fired?

We're currently the fourth best team in the country. We have been ever since Rafa arrived. On a given day the gap between all four teams isn't that great, and indeed closer than it has been since Houllier was here, but holding a gun to the guy's head if he fails to leapfrog our three domestic rivals to get some silverware is just f*cking madness.

If you want a team that expects something they don't have the personnel to obtain, go get yourselves a barcodes shirt. 

shouldnt we expect that after 4 years we should be at least closer to the top sides or is that really to much to ask?

I think we are much, much closer in terms of the squad we have, but in attacking terms we're still poor on the wings, and beyond Torres we're poor up front. If we only have two players scoring goals, that's going to keep the table looking the way it has done for the last few years. When you look at the defence and the centre of midfield, we're in theory as good as anybody, but where it counts, where the goals come from, we're brutally exposed over a season in the league.

We need goals from the wings, we need more goals from midfield, and we need goals alongside Torres. Agger is always good for a few as well, and on many levels his return will be incredibly, incredibly welcome.

Think about who we had... Baros, Cheyrou, Traore, Barmby, Diouf, Cisse, Murphy for example... all 1st team regulars not long ago, and now look at who we have now in their place and tell me we're not on the right track. Progress can be painfully slow when your rivals have more money than you do, but we're definitely getting there.

This season we've got our 25 goals a season man in Torres. Now, more width, and more goals from elsewhere. That's the next step.

[lakes10]

Has anyone had talk sports on, i have not but on another forum they are saying that Rick Parry has just said "recent result not acceptable at this club"

I can not see him saying this, it is not his way.

i take it that none of you (same as me) have Talk sports on then ?

[Thinkpad]

Has anyone had talk sports on, i have not but on another forum they are saying that Rick Parry has just said "recent result not acceptable at this club"

I can not see him saying this, it is not his way.

i take it that none of you (same as me) have Talk sports on then ?

Sorry... my talksport can't show Pl anymore.
They loss the license to a crappy new channel..
Hope they will come back next year..

[ClONMEL_RED]

Benitez refuses to look at young Liverpool players.......... at lwast benitez gave Gerrard , Steve Thompson, Danny Murphy.....Neil Mellor and others a chance, instead of playing cowboys from Norway and Ukraine?!?!?!
Paul Anderson etc should be given a chance,  Players like Sissoko get a game ahead of Danny GUTHRIE, if  we are going to be an average side id prefer to do with lads who love the club.... there is something a bit more honest about it...... Craig Linfield surely shud be given a go, he has to be better than Vorinin,,,,, AS FOR BABEL, ya he has potential, but he looks to be like he is still sulking he didnt join arsenal!!

[Thinkpad]

Options options options..
Rafa and his options.. maybe he wasn't talking about players.
He want shares to the club.. 

[ClONMEL_RED]

And obviously im not blaming Babel for liverpools lost of form before i get slated!!!!!!!! He has massive potential, point im tryin to make is give Anderson and others a chance........ too many players are in the team because of past achievements and rep's

[The_Rock]

Has anyone had talk sports on, i have not but on another forum they are saying that Rick Parry has just said "recent result not acceptable at this club"

I can not see him saying this, it is not his way.

i take it that none of you (same as me) have Talk sports on then ?

If parry really said that.....that he's the "G" 

Parry rocks......whooo hooo.......

Its time someone lets rafa knows that we are not playing well. If not rafa might think there is nothing wrong apart from our defence conceding goals.....

[Thinkpad]

And obviously im not blaming Babel for liverpools lost of form before i get slated!!!!!!!! He has massive potential, point im tryin to make is give Anderson and others a chance........ too many players are in the team because of past achievements and rep's

No worries mate..
Babel and the rest of the new crew will probably start losing their technical abilities soon. This is either due to the training regime or lack of use... either way, they will be assimilated..

[ivor_the_injun]

The way i see it either win the FA cup or the Champions league...or rafa has to go...as there is no marked improvement in our team.

Oh give over. Win a knockout competition or you're fired?

We're currently the fourth best team in the country. We have been ever since Rafa arrived. On a given day the gap between all four teams isn't that great, and indeed closer than it has been since Houllier was here, but holding a gun to the guy's head if he fails to leapfrog our three domestic rivals to get some silverware is just f*cking madness.

If you want a team that expects something they don't have the personnel to obtain, go get yourselves a barcodes shirt. 

We have to ask the question.. Are we seriously so much better in term of performance now compared to last year? How about two years ago? Three years ago? Is today's performance the best in 5 years? If it is not staying at 4th place is stagnation.

yes we closing the gap these few years.. but realistically can we close it further? Or have we reached a plateu?

Sometimes we can tell by looking at the team the way they play if we can really progressed to the next level. At the momment I just can't see it.

In sales, sometimes the sales person may not hit target, but we can tell from his pipeline and hardwork that he has the capability to be a top sales person. So the manager will keep him.

Similarly is another sales person never hit target and has not much pipeline and keep taking breaks and leave. We know he has no hope.

It is there to see.. it is just whether we care to accept it now or later. We are hoping angainst all hope it is different. But reality can be cruel.

The reason for sacking Rafa now is a two edge sword. We may continue to spiral down if he leaves now. But it will give the new manager time to start looking at the team and do some rebuilding early before next season.

Well I hate salesmen so I'm going to ignore that allusion. 

We have a 25 goals a season man. We now need to find him a partner.

Plus, think about how little service we've had from either wing this season and it's mouthwatering to think how many goals our team could score. With a couple of wingers that can pop up with half a dozen league goals each year, there's plenty of potential at our club for more to happen.

The bottom line is that the performances aren't much better because the same problems remain. Does anyone genuinely think that a couple of signings in the right areas couldn't change our side immeasurably? If you do, get your "Rafa out" banners made. Truth is though, a striker than can hit a barn door and a left winger that can both stay fit and cross would improve our fortunes no end. The big difference this season is that we only need one more top class striker, that much is clear.

[Emerald Red]

So say Rafa does get sacked? What will happen? Our best players could all potentially leave. Gerrard, Alonso, Torres, Mascherano could all potentially want to exit after the manager that brought them there in the first place (apart from Gerrard). Certainly Torres hinted at it earlier in the season if Rafa were to be sacked. Benitez has brought in some world class players for us. Can we easily replace them if they were to go? Simple answer is no. IMO, sacking Rafa will set us back five years and potentially plunge is into a nightmare scenario of no champions league football for a few at least a few years or worse. It's taking time, but Rafa is slowly finding us the players we need to take us in the right direction towards not only winning the PL, but the CL also.

[Dundalk]

So say Rafa does get sacked? What will happen? Our best players could all potentially leave. Gerrard, Alonso, Torres, Mascherano could all potentially want to exit after the manager that brought them there in the first place (apart from Gerrard). Certainly Torres hinted at it earlier in the season if Rafa were to be sacked. Benitez has brought in some world class players for us. Can we easily replace them if they were to go? Simple answer is no. IMO, sacking Rafa will set us back five years and potentially plunge is into a nightmare scenario of no champions league football for a few at least a few years or worse. It's taking time, but Rafa is slowly finding us the players we need to take us in the right direction towards not only winning the PL, but the CL also.

Well said

[ivor_the_injun]

Ronnie Whelan on Irish radio has just said Benitez has to go , i dunno, he makes good points, Benitez has spent 150 mill odd,  he has made no progress since Instanbul...............I really like Benitez and hopes the players cop on to themselves........ On paper they look like v . good players but they dont look too interested in playing for Benitez?..........The players more so than Benitez need to take a good hard look at themselves..... There is no reason why players like Riise and Vorinin both around 27 ( prob 10 years as a professional)  can't perform against losers like Middlesborough!!

Did i mention that ronnie whelan is one of my favourite players..... Before any m0r0n here comments who the hell is whelan to talk about rafa ? well he is an-ex player who only wants our team to get back to the top.....

He can't see it happening..and i have to agree with him.

Rafa is screwing up the rich tradition we have.

The way I see it, a European Cup and an FA Cup only adds to our rich tradition. A tradition that had gone to the wolves until our treble season.