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[clarke90]

The Reason we have a better record without Mascherano is because he rests him against the small teams were he doesnt have to protect the back four like he does against the big teams.

[Owzat]

So now the thread topic starter wants "Barney" in and Mascha out !

FFS.

I not sure he does mate, I think he just put it out there for discussion.

Exactly.

Shame some posters on here are so full of shhhhh it that they can't discuss anything sensibly. Yet you see plenty of suggestions we should buy back Didi or Heskey or some other equally daft idea, or that we should sell three or four players we don't want and buy some kind of miracle fix for the right wing or attack or midfield or full-back like it balances up money wise

Not aimed at you by the way, just to be clear on that.

EDIT : aimed at the idiots that like to make silly comments aimed at me, trust me when I say I don't read most of them. I generally only read people's posts that are worth reading and your's rarely fit that bill. You're too busy knocking someone else trying to hold sensible discussion and couldn't make a worthwhile contribution yourself if you tried.

[Bam]

So now the thread topic starter wants "Barney" in and Mascha out !

FFS.

I not sure he does mate, I think he just put it out there for discussion.

Exactly.

Shame some posters on here are so full of shhhhh it that they can't discuss anything sensibly. Yet you see plenty of suggestions we should buy back Didi or Heskey or some other equally daft idea, or that we should sell three or four players we don't want and buy some kind of miracle fix for the right wing or attack or midfield or full-back like it balances up money wise

Not aimed at you by the way, just to be clear on that.

EDIT : aimed at the idiots that like to make silly comments aimed at me, trust me when I say I don't read most of them. I generally only read people's posts that are worth reading and your's rarely fit that bill. You're too busy knocking someone else trying to hold sensible discussion and couldn't make a worthwhile contribution yourself if you tried.

Yes but for someone who was very intenet on us not signing "barney" I find it quite ironic that you even suggest it.

[Fo Dne]

I'd take Barry over Mascherano all day. Far better alround footballer and would offer better balance to our team than Javier does.

HOWEVER...

Mascherano is currently one of our better players and isn't the midfielder who should be replaced out of the four we have. We all know who that is. Mascherano is easily capable of playing at a top club where as one particular central midfielder we have wouldn't get into a sunday league side.

[Toffeehater]

The only thing barry is better at masch than at is he's very versatile and can play in loads of position . The position that masch plays in , barry is no where near him .

[Bam]

The only thing barry is better at masch than at is he's very versatile and can play in loads of position . The position that masch plays in , barry is no where near him .

[stmichael]

Mascherano is currently one of our better players and isn't the midfielder who should be replaced out of the four we have. We all know who that is. Mascherano is easily capable of playing at a top club where as one particular central midfielder we have wouldn't get into a sunday league side.

that's a bit harsh on stevie. bring in jimmy bullard 

[Fo Dne]

The only thing barry is better at masch than at is he's very versatile and can play in loads of position . The position that masch plays in , barry is no where near him .

You mean like passing, touch, intelligence, strength arial ability, goal scoring and reading of the game?

Maybe Mascherano can defend better than Barry... Oh thats right, Barry came through as a centre half and spent a large part of his career as a left back aswell. Like I said, Barry is a better alround footballer. Thats not to say Mascherano's poor, just that Barry is better. Simple as.

[Effes]

But Rafa was looking to replace Xabi with Barry, so the Mash for Barry thing
is just pipe talk.

[LegBarnes]

I think this is good topic for the fact that rafa knows he has to many of the same type of players at liverpool atm IE. holding midfielder he don't have that many options to play more attacking midfield.

Ok gerrard and alonso partnership works but not all the time and with barrys small partnership with gerrard in the england team I think i understand where rafa is going.

Is it worth getting rid of masch to bring in barry i doubt it unless we get a big transfer for him but i think it would have to be around the 17-20 mark to be worth it he is a top player and still very young who know what type of player he will grow into he could be world class in a few years.

My 2 pence on the matter.

[Fo Dne]

But Rafa was looking to replace Xabi with Barry, so the Mash for Barry thing
is just pipe talk.

Agreed. Besides, as I've said, Mascherano isn't the problem in that area of the pitch. He's a great player to have as back up and would get into most if not every other side in the league. Forme he doesn't compliment Gerrard in the way he would Scholes, Fabregas, Deco, Ballack or a few others.

The problem lies in the player we have that couldn't get into a pub team when he gets a game.

We've got the best in the world, 2 of the top 20 in the world and one of the worst in the football leagues as fourth choice.

[LegBarnes]

The only thing barry is better at masch than at is he's very versatile and can play in loads of position . The position that masch plays in , barry is no where near him .

You mean like passing, touch, intelligence, strength arial ability, goal scoring and reading of the game?

Maybe Mascherano can defend better than Barry... Oh thats right, Barry came through as a centre half and spent a large part of his career as a left back aswell. Like I said, Barry is a better alround footballer. Thats not to say Mascherano's poor, just that Barry is better. Simple as.

I agree to a point.

Also I find a good way to judge a player is what there flat line performance marker is and barry seems to hold a good level of form much more then masch , on a bad day masch can look very poor like the CL game vrs mars he was poor in passing area and couldn't link up with any one even with simple passing.

[Quadrophenia]

Maybe Mascherano can defend better than Barry... Oh thats right, Barry came through as a centre half and spent a large part of his career as a left back aswell.

Sol Campbell came through as a centre forward as did Gary Doherty, using your logic they are better attackers than Gerrard because they broke though in that position.

Barry may very well be a better all round player than Mascherano but they don't play the same role. Masch's job is too break up play, something he does a million times better than Barry, and Barry's job (at Villa) is to be the creative spark, something Xabi/Stevie does here. Barry is no replacement for Masch and in my personal opinion, no replacement for Xabi either. This season Barry has been poor because of the arrival of Sidwell who is (apparently) a creative midfielder and Barry is being asked to do a job (holding midfielder) he simply isn't up to. Last season he had Reo-Coker more often than not as a partner which allowed him to express himself more because the former West Ham skipper did his running for him.

[Fo Dne]

Maybe Mascherano can defend better than Barry... Oh thats right, Barry came through as a centre half and spent a large part of his career as a left back aswell.

Sol Campbell came through as a centre forward as did Gary Doherty, using your logic they are better attackers than Gerrard because they broke though in that position.

Barry may very well be a better all round player than Mascherano but they don't play the same role. Masch's job is too break up play, something he does a million times better than Barry, and Barry's job (at Villa) is to be the creative spark, something Xabi/Stevie does here. Barry is no replacement for Masch and in my personal opinion, no replacement for Xabi either. This season Barry has been poor because of the arrival of Sidwell who is (apparently) a creative midfielder and Barry is being asked to do a job (holding midfielder) he simply isn't up to. Last season he had Reo-Coker more often than not as a partner which allowed him to express himself more because the former West Ham skipper did his running for him.

Thats a rubbish post.

Campbell and Doherty played probably the odd game upfront. Barry started his career there and played there for years and can still do a very good job in all positions. He can play left back, centre half, left mid and centre mid.

All this holding midfielder and attacking midfielder is what ruins teams and makes them one dimensional. You need central midfielders who can both attack, and defend unless you are a rigid team like Chelsea were under Mourinho with exceptional specialists all over the park.

[LegBarnes]

Maybe Mascherano can defend better than Barry... Oh thats right, Barry came through as a centre half and spent a large part of his career as a left back aswell.

Sol Campbell came through as a centre forward as did Gary Doherty, using your logic they are better attackers than Gerrard because they broke though in that position.

Barry may very well be a better all round player than Mascherano but they don't play the same role. Masch's job is too break up play, something he does a million times better than Barry, and Barry's job (at Villa) is to be the creative spark, something Xabi/Stevie does here. Barry is no replacement for Masch and in my personal opinion, no replacement for Xabi either. This season Barry has been poor because of the arrival of Sidwell who is (apparently) a creative midfielder and Barry is being asked to do a job (holding midfielder) he simply isn't up to. Last season he had Reo-Coker more often than not as a partner which allowed him to express himself more because the former West Ham skipper did his running for him.

Thats a rubbish post.

Campbell and Doherty played probably the odd game upfront. Barry started his career there and played there for years and can still do a very good job in all positions. He can play left back, centre half, left mid and centre mid.

All this holding midfielder and attacking midfielder is what ruins teams and makes them one dimensional. You need central midfielders who can both attack, and defend unless you are a rigid team like Chelsea were under Mourinho with exceptional specialists all over the park.

His post wasn't rubbish but I do think Stu has a point you need alrounders in team if you was good flowing football look at arsenal and chavski

Who play the better free flowing football.

And don't go on to me a bout them not winning any thing I know but thats just down to the fact most of there players are gutless pansy boys and they havent had a hard man since berkamp lmao  .