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[tubby]

TBH it looks like Mash has his heart set on a move to Barca, if thats true all we can do is get the best price possible

It all points to him and his agent wanting a pay rise, he should get one aswell we need to keep our spine, give him and Xabi a pay rise. Tell them to stay atleast one more season to help us win the league and whilst Rafa searches for replacements then they can go where they please.

Said the same thing meself Cigg last week when it all came about, Wages

It will be heartbreaking to lose even one of them nevermind the two, how can you replace two of the best players in there positions around in the game at the mo, our heart of the midfield will be ripped out, Thats some big gap to fill imo thats why im scared because i cant see anyone out there who is available to do there job.

ermm and where is this money for higher wages going to come from then? do you two have any fecking grasp of finances at all?  On the one hand you are  bleating about the club being up sh1t creak then you want to chuck the money about in higher wages, well I say feck the players, it's about time they realised they are living a very privileged life and that we are in fact in a financial crises! I myself would be fairly happy with £25k a week and I bet you that the work I do, or I'm sure most people on this forum, has more actual benefit to the world than what Mascha does, it is absolutely obscene how much sports people earn these days and it's about time they get a reality check, it just can't continue like this. How can wages be going up in football when the rest of the world is economically fecked, the bubble will burst at some point.

That's all well and good mate but I can say 100% if that's the best we will offer him then it is only a matter of time before Masch leaves. And do you think any player coming in as a replacement will happily take 25k a week? Unless he is some young player who we have somehow manage to unearth I doubt it.

[NANNY RED]

im not taking any notice of any paper ,    that cheeky Perez from Madrid Arby is not worth the money were asking as he is not flambouyent enough, hes not got a big name, Ha the cheeky little get,He was good enough to kick your teams a.rse though.

[Ciggy]

ermm and where is this money for higher wages going to come from then? do you two have any fecking grasp of finances at all?  On the one hand you are  bleating about the club being up sh1t creak then you want to chuck the money about in higher wages,

You two? Who the feck are you talking to? if Torres, Gerrard and Johnson are earning 100 grand a week then Masch does deserve more than 25 grand a week.

[HacksawJimDuggin]

It's looking increasingly likely that we will lose BOTH Xabi and Mascha and that is nothing short of a disaster IMO. These 2 will be very difficult to replace. I can handle Mascherano going is we get a ready made replacement (i.e. Toure) in return + cash but Alonso is irreplaceable ... in the short term anyway!!!

[NANNY RED]

TBH it looks like Mash has his heart set on a move to Barca, if thats true all we can do is get the best price possible

It all points to him and his agent wanting a pay rise, he should get one aswell we need to keep our spine, give him and Xabi a pay rise. Tell them to stay atleast one more season to help us win the league and whilst Rafa searches for replacements then they can go where they please.

Said the same thing meself Cigg last week when it all came about, Wages

It will be heartbreaking to lose even one of them nevermind the two, how can you replace two of the best players in there positions around in the game at the mo, our heart of the midfield will be ripped out, Thats some big gap to fill imo thats why im scared because i cant see anyone out there who is available to do there job.

ermm and where is this money for higher wages going to come from then? do you two have any fecking grasp of finances at all?  On the one hand you are  bleating about the club being up sh1t creak then you want to chuck the money about in higher wages, well I say feck the players, it's about time they realised they are living a very privileged life and that we are in fact in a financial crises! I myself would be fairly happy with £25k a week and I bet you that the work I do, or I'm sure most people on this forum, has more actual benefit to the world than what Mascha does, it is absolutely obscene how much sports people earn these days and it's about time they get a reality check, it just can't continue like this. How can wages be going up in football when the rest of the world is economically fecked, the bubble will burst at some point.

We know all about the wages an how high they are an i agree its disgusting , So how much do you think Johnsons gonna be on then ey , Double what Masheranos on, to right he is, an do you think by getting rid of them were gonna be paying less wages to who ever comes in, not on your life to replace them two were gonna need world class players who are gonna be demanding world class wages, Far more than what there both on now. So if it is about wages it makes sence to top it up a little bit.

[NANNY RED]

Heimdell what do you actualy do for a living , because every time me an Cigg go on about finance or money your right on our case. Like we know nothing , ill tell you something id suprise you ,

[heimdall]

Heimdell what do you actualy do for a living , because every time me an Cigg go on about finance or money your right on our case. Like we know nothing , ill tell you something id suprise you ,

You do surprise me with every post Nanny. I guess you are right on this one though, it just annoys me when you have all these footballers bitching about only earning £25k a week, tell you what though, he must have a fecking agent if that's the best deal he got for Mascha, he must be on more than £25k a week!

So what is your surprise, are you actually the chairman of RBS and you're just messing with our heads?

[Ciggy]

So what is your surprise, are you actually the chairman of RBS and you're just messing with our heads?

She's a successfull bussiness woman for your information.

[heimdall]

So what is your surprise, are you actually the chairman of RBS and you're just messing with our heads?

She's a successfull bussiness woman for your information.

I don't doubt it Ciggy, and you?

[NANNY RED]

So what is your surprise, are you actually the chairman of RBS and you're just messing with our heads?

She's a successfull bussiness woman for your information.

I don't doubt it Ciggy, and you?

Im a property developer Heimdall, an Ciggy is just brewsterd

[NANNY RED]

this explains it better than me

Xabi Alonso warns that tax will drive top players away
Even footballers have turned on the government. Xabi Alonso believes Gordon Brown's economic policies have weakened English football and that the Premier League's star players could be forced to the Continent to escape the weak pound and the incoming 50p tax rate.

By Duncan White
Published: 10:00PM BST 20 Jun 2009

The world's an oyster: Xabi Alonso beleives players will move away to protect their salaries 

Alonso is refusing to commit himself to Liverpool next season, with Real Madrid eager to to take him to the Bernabeu, and with Alonso estimating he is losing a third of his earnings he is edging closer to a return to Spain.

"Of course we footballers think about it; we are not stupid, we keep an eye on it," Alonso said. "When you see your contract down by 30 per cent you cannot be happy. I cannot do anything – it must be Gordon Brown or David Cameron.



Fernando Torres thinks Valencia's David Villa will stay in Spain's La Liga" I think the weakness of the sterling is not helping the Premiership because for those competing and fighting against the European teams it is a big weak point. Hopefully over the next few months and years it will get back to what it was not so long ago."

Liverpool are determined to keep Alonso despite Real Madrid's very public interest, but having just published worrying financial results and with Rafael Benitez having to work with a restricted transfer budget, the Anfield club might be forced to sell, especially if the player wants to leave. Alonso, in South Africa with the Spain squad for the Confederations Cup, pointedly refused to answer questions about his future at Liverpool.

His Anfield colleague Fernando Torres admitted he was concerned about losing his Spain team-mates Alonso and Alvaro Arbeloa to La Liga but insisted that playing for a club with the traditions of Liverpool should count for more than a decline in your net income.

"I worry about losing my team-mates, of course," Torres said. "But when you play for a team like Liverpool you don't have to worry about that. You are a top player and you will get a good contract. You don't have to be scared to lose a little bit of money."

That depends on your definition of 'little'. Alonso signed a five-year contract with Liverpool in 2007 worth an estimated £65,000 a week. At the time there were €1.48 to the pound so he was on €96,200 per week but due to the weakness of the pound that has fallen to €76,700 a week. When the 50p tax rate comes in next April that will drop to €69,000 a week, so he could be losing €27,200 every week compared to what he was earning back in 2007. Overall, Alonso fears he could end up losing nearly £1.2 million per year.

Alonso is not the only player unhappy with the British tax system. Andrei Arshavin, of Arsenal, claimed he had an "unpleasant surprise" when he opened his first pay packet and saw how much he was paying in tax. The Russian international is now trying to renegotiate his £80,000 a week contract to ensure he has a higher net earning.

Clubs across the country are concerned that foreign players are using the weak pound as an excuse to get a pay rise.

Arsene Wenger, the Arsenal manager, predicted back in April that "the domination of the Premier League will go" because of the government's tax policy and the fact that the United Kingdom has been hit particularly hard by the financial crisis. His prophecy seems to have been realised.

Accountants working with footballers and clubs are trying to come up with all sorts of ways of avoiding paying the top tax rate. One option being explored is paying players in interest-free loans which would attract a much lower tax rate. But ultimately, it seems the power base has shifted to the Continent.

That is particularly true of Spain, who can set up foreign players as 'company executives' who have a preferential 23 per cent tax rate for the first six years. David Beckham was on this kind of deal and Cristiano Ronaldo and Kaka will be on a similar scheme. Obviously this gives clubs like Real Madrid and Barcelona a real competitive advantage in the market.

Sam Rush, whose WMG agency look after Michael Owen and Steven Gerrard, believes English clubs will have to bear the brunt of the cost as foreign players will increasingly demand to have contracts net of tax.

"If clubs want to keep top players they are going to have to push the boundaries of their financial parameters," he said. "In Europe sums are offered net of tax. That's ultimately what's going to happen here in the UK."

[Ciggy]

So what is your surprise, are you actually the chairman of RBS and you're just messing with our heads?

She's a successfull bussiness woman for your information.

I don't doubt it Ciggy, and you?

I work in the players lounge at my local football club.

[heimdall]

The weak pound is a concern but what are these footballers whinging about, if I was them I'd be buying properties left right and centre whilst the market is down. It is dream time if you have some spare capital at the moment and surely if youare on £75k a week or whatever Xabi is on you can practically buy a new property every month or every other month. I'm giving some serious consideration to buying a 3rd property myself. I'd love to get into property developing myself at some stage but I know feck all about painting/decorating/building etc.

[RobinHood6969]

Guess masche and alonso thread is becoming a profession enquiry thread 

[NANNY RED]

. I'd love to get into property developing myself at some stage but I know feck all about painting/decorating/building etc.

Employ people to do that for you , That time your helping the economy an all