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[god_bless_john_houlding]

he looked worse at the ground reg I still wouldn't of taken him off though, because he gives you the option of going over the top with his pace.

[destro]

This characterization that Mascherano was "calmly asking" the referee is complete . Seriously, we need to start calling a spade a spade.

It was clear that the multiple times that Mascherano would argue with the referee, he was FAR from calm.

So his face was contorted with anger was it, did you see him launch a tirade of abuse and foul language at the Reff ?

No you didn't , you know why ? because it didn't happen, he WAS calm up to the point where he was shown the red card.

He asked him CALMLY why he had booked Torres and what was going on, he never ran over face to face spitting with anger. I am not saying he was right to do but lets just get the facts right before we hang him out to dry.

And can people stop saying he told the Reff to f,ck off several times when he was booked, because from where I was sat he was saying it Ronaldo for rolling around and not to the Reff.

I saw Masherano launch a tirade of abuse and foul language at the Ref on 3 occasions before he was given the second yellow.

He deserved to go off for dissent.

He made a mistake whcih killed the game for us,.

Lets hope he learns from it.

Really ? care to point out when this happened because although I was surrounded by thousands of United fans, my judgment wasn't clouded. where was you sat that you had a better view than me ?

I was sat in the comfort of my own home watching live on sky sports.

Mascherano mouthed off to the ref for gettign the yellow card showing clear dissent.

Second, he moyuthed off to the ref after he commited a second minor foul.

Thirdly, he mouthed off when someone else commited a foul on the United player and the ref gave a free kick.

Ah the good old TV camera angle, did it show that he was telling Ronaldo to fck off for falling to the ground when he got booked and NOT the Reff ? or did you just assume he must have been saying it to the Reff.

Secondly I didn't see him mouth off for another foul, but I will watch the game again later on the all seeing TV and decide for myself.

Thirdly what incident was that ? he mouthed off, what did he say did the TV show him swearing and being abusive or did he just mutter a few choice words like EVERY player booked or not did through out the whole game.

So he has gone from launching a tirade of abuse and foul language at the Ref, to just mouthing off.

Watch the game again on Match of the day and tell me if I am wrong.

Equally, if I am wrogn and I am recountign incidents which didnt happen, I will come on here and apologize.

Fair enough, if they have multiple camera angles of all the incidents you have mentioned like they love to do then I will hold my hands up. I can only say what I saw as can you.

Like Nanny said though did they show Ferdinand constantly in the Refs ear telling him how to do his job ?

OK I have just watched the cleverly edited highlights of the game and it didn't look good. Mascherano DID constantly chip away at the Ref but, the incident when he clearly mouthed fck off several times WAS not aimed at the Ref as they made it look on the TV.

I heard Alan Hansen say he broke "the rule" of a player on a booking but Mascherano  spoke to him before the sending off he didn't at that or any other time
use abusive language or approach him in an aggressive manner.

The Ref IMO made an example of him after the Ashley Cole incident, yes Mascherano should have been aware of could happen, but I can guarantee we will see levels of dissent a lot worse than that and they will go unpunished, if they take that level of zero tolerance into every game from now until the end of the season a lot of teams will finish the game with  7 men.

I defend what I saw with my own eyes from the stands, but I have to agree that the TV images have not made it look good for Mascherano's behaviour.

[eds]

What an awful, awful game.

Liverpool deserved to lose today, we were terrible, like most of our past seasons at Old Trafford. Captain Fantastic wasn't so fantastic today, Torres tried but at times he must have felt like he was playing back at Athletico. Our defense was shaky, Reina was not "the best keeper in the world" as some red tinted supporters will make you believe and we were lucky not to get hammered by 5 or 6 goals. The only positives...... well sadly there were no positives out of this one.

I don't really understand when some come on here and slate our team saying we are no where near the likes of the Scum. Absoulate . In Torres and Gerrard we have two world class players, capable of beating ANY team. Just like they have that greasy haired muppet and Shrek. We aren't at  worlds apart (as some "fans" will make you believe), their defence is slightly better then ours, we do actually have a better central midfield then them, but Rafa just can't seem to get it right, can he? As for the forwards they seem to have one more better forward then us, Tevez. If we buy a quality striker next season, we will match them in this department as well.

Now as more the main controversy..................

Steve Bennet should never EVER come near a EPL game again. His so called "officiating" was more of a goose stepping SS Nazi at a concentration camp then that of an actual EPL referee. Waving yellow cards, here there and everywhere while some of you lot are applauding him for it, good gracious me, disgraceful you lot are, farkin disgraceful. BAH-BAH back to the paddock, you farkin sheep, BAH-BAH.

I don't care what you say about Monster Mash but the fact that Ferdinand's original tackle went unpunished, then Torres complained that he was having the living kicked out of him and for Bennet to go straight to his pocket, was AN ACTUAL RUSH OF BLOOD, not what was to follow.

The fact that Mascherano was the ONLY player on the park to question his logic DOES show leadership qualities as our so called "leaders" truly went missing in that moment of "refeering madness". If Gerrard had been properly doing his job at that moment and having a discussion with the referee, we would not have seen what was to follow.

And now the true idiocy of some "fans" comes out. OH but don't you know what has been happening midweek with Cashley Cole. Mash was "bound" to be sent off if he continually questioned the referee. Oh so one particular "hot topic" of the week now re-writes what has been happening for the last hundred years in football games around the world, that refs can't be spoken to or questioned when they make a bad decision, that they are right in reaching for their yellow card if things get out of hand (due to their incompetence) errr OK? ?

Descent, hey? How many times have we seen players "go off" at a referee without being shown a yellow in this league or any league? How many times have we seen the blue scum Chelsea follow a referee around the pitch if a decision doesn't go there way, a certain penalty at Anfield earlier this season comes to mind doesn't it? Yes the interpretation of this "descent" rule is as clear as mud, isn't it?

If Mascherano started insulting and abusing the ref, fair enough, yellow card, but the fact is we don't know what he actually said. AND in my book Bennett deserved a yellow himself in not carding Ferdinand to begin with and then another yellow for carding Torres. RED CARD BENNETT, get off and NEVER COME BACK.

[whylongball?]

Alonso---non existant

I disagree.

Sadly, he existed, but he played a bad game today. I often acknowledge his merits because I see them and I must say aswell when he hasn't got his best day.

Badly taken set pieces, wrongly orientated when receiving the ball several times, didn't seem to be prepared for Mascherano's sending off (you can play effectively with 10 men but we didn't did our best effort on it), and he kept some balls too much and that led to a heavy pressure (which was well done to be fair).

Today's been one of the worst games of Alonso this season.

Other players played badly as well, not just Alonso, though he's crappy nowadays anyway

before the send-off
Reina: shaky, lost the goal where Gk should dominate the area.
Cara: not composed in some clearance and mixup with Skrtle
SG: walk around, he stop running like last time under Benitez. What is it about choosing the right way to spend energy?
Alonso: cant dictate/control the game, cant cover??
These are the key players and yet couldn't perform 

[NANNY RED]

In fairness Nanny, Babel didnt look good on tv. No penetration or threat on goal.

No Reg i was goin on about Masherano i should of edited the Babel bit,

The lad makes one mistake and hes getting slaughted by some on here for todays game hes been imense in every game hes played for us this season up until today you couldnt see a bad thing posted or said about him but now from some on here hes public enermy number one its shameful

[Dalglish]

Whichever way you or Rafa wants to spin it you simply cannot condone Macherano's conduct today. However inept or misunderstanding you believe Refs are or how little they understand the game the player gave Bennett no choice with his continual whining, moaning, swearing and general dissent. Anyone who has played the game will understand that players occasionally get the hump, it was just a pity that Masca chose to get out of the wrong side of the bed on the day of arguably the biggest game of the Premiership season.


Perhaps the inconsistency shown by Referees doesn't help the situation and there is little doubt that the FA have issued instructions this week after Ashley Cole's show of petulance midweek but when the gun is pointed at you you don't loas the bullets and pull the trigger !

One thing that comes out of this and I think it's been raised on another thread is Steve Gerard's role today as Captain. When Masca approached the ref for what would be his last time it was Alonso and not Gerard who attempted to restrain him. Now anyone who watched it on TV will tell you it couldn't have been becuause Alonso and Masca speak Spanish as there is nothing wrong with his English !

[NANNY RED]

What an awful, awful game.

Liverpool deserved to lose today, we were terrible, like most of our past seasons at Old Trafford. Captain Fantastic wasn't so fantastic today, Torres tried but at times he must have felt like he was playing back at Athletico. Our defense was shaky, Reina was not "the best keeper in the world" as some red tinted supporters will make you believe and we were lucky not to get hammered by 5 or 6 goals. The only positives...... well sadly there were no positives out of this one.

I don't really understand when some come on here and slate our team saying we are no where near the likes of the Scum. Absoulate . In Torres and Gerrard we have two world class players, capable of beating ANY team. Just like they have that greasy haired muppet and Shrek. We aren't at  worlds apart (as some "fans" will make you believe), their defence is slightly better then ours, we do actually have a better central midfield then them, but Rafa just can't seem to get it right, can he? As for the forwards they seem to have one more better forward then us, Tevez. If we buy a quality striker next season, we will match them in this department as well.

Now as more the main controversy..................

Steve Bennet should never EVER come near a EPL game again. His so called "officiating" was more of a goose stepping SS Nazi at a concentration camp then that of an actual EPL referee. Waving yellow cards, here there and everywhere while some of you lot are applauding him for it, good gracious me, disgraceful you lot are, farkin disgraceful. BAH-BAH back to the paddock, you farkin sheep, BAH-BAH.

I don't care what you say about Monster Mash but the fact that Ferdinand's original tackle went unpunished, then Torres complained that he was having the living kicked out of him and for Bennet to go straight to his pocket, was AN ACTUAL RUSH OF BLOOD, not what was to follow.

The fact that Mascherano was the ONLY player on the park to question his logic DOES show leadership qualities as our so called "leaders" truly went missing in that moment of "refeering madness". If Gerrard had been properly doing his job at that moment and having a discussion with the referee, we would not have seen what was to follow.

And now the true idiocy of some "fans" comes out. OH but don't you know what has been happening midweek with Cashley Cole. Mash was "bound" to be sent off if he continually questioned the referee. Oh so one particular "hot topic" of the week now re-writes what has been happening for the last hundred years in football games around the world, that refs can't be spoken to or questioned when they make a bad decision, that they are right in reaching for their yellow card if things get out of hand (due to their incompetence) errr OK? ?

Descent, hey? How many times have we seen players "go off" at a referee without being shown a yellow in this league or any league? How many times have we seen the blue scum Chelsea follow a referee around the pitch if a decision doesn't go there way, a certain penalty at Anfield earlier this season comes to mind doesn't it? Yes the interpretation of this "descent" rule is as clear as mud, isn't it?

If Mascherano started insulting and abusing the ref, fair enough, yellow card, but the fact is we don't know what he actually said. AND in my book Bennett deserved a yellow himself in not carding Ferdinand to begin with and then another yellow for carding Torres. RED CARD BENNETT, get off and NEVER COME BACK.

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[destro]

Just had a quick look at some of the posts whats the story on Andy Gray was he giving it again

Believe it or not Nanny apparently  he was actually defending us and questioning the sending off 

Some of the United fans are now accusing him of being a Liverpool Fan  he cant win can he !

[NANNY RED]

Just had a quick look at some of the posts whats the story on Andy Gray was he giving it again

Believe it or not Nanny apparently  he was actually defending us and questioning the sending off 

Some of the United fans are now accusing him of being a Liverpool Fan  he cant win can he !

are you serious i like him tonight now but only for tonight  he will go back to being hated tomorrow

[god_bless_john_houlding]

I watched the half time annalysis on video (missus taped the match for me, just in case we won ) and Gray was defending us to the heavens. He said that if Mascheranho deserved a red card, then every player in the league deserves a red card because everyone questions decisions.

For me, Mascheranho did deserve to be sent off. He constantly complained about everything and it was only a matter of time before he went. Stupidity got him sent off, he should know at his age that the referee's decision is final. Bennett wasn't going to take Torres' yellow off him just because Mascheranho moaned at him. So Mascheranho should of used his head and stayed well away, he knew he wasn't Bennett's favourite person anyway, so he was just giving Bennett a perfect excuse for sending him off. I do however think Bennett sent him off, so he wouldn't take the stick Reily has over the Ashley Cole incident, but if you read over this thread you'll see that as soon as I heard Bennett was the ref, I said someone would be sent off because he can't help himself, he's just that sort of ref.

[J*o*n*D*o*e]

gray and redknapp sorry skys brown nose where really going at eachother. i hate gray but was hoping he would land one on that smug fooker

[redrover]

how sad am i , ive just spent the past 2 hours reading through these pots starting from just before the game till now.


some total and utter rubbish being posted but yet some other posters must be reading my mind and have restored my faith in this great club

it was a terrible result for us and a huge dissapointment but not the end of the world as we know it. some players were well of the pace today but have been great in recent times so we have to be balanced in our opinions despite the obvious disapointment.

masha made a mistake today but is an exceptional player and if others had of been as fired up as him in a more productive way today then the result would have been much different.

i hope raffa sits down with the players tommorow and go's through some of the key elements that cost us the game and reminds them that they are playing for a fantastic club and they need to have the personality to live with the expectations that comes with playing for this great club . its not all about skill ,talent etc you also need the right temprement to play at the highest level and control your aggression without losing your edge in the game.

we can move on from this and rescue something from this season and maybe we will see a repeat of what happend a couple of seasons ago when we got revenge on them in a cup competiton after a disapointing league game against them. its important that we the fans keep the faith and stay behind the lads for the rest of the season and see where we go from there  .we are a great club and will overcome all adversity.

[JoeTerp]

Mascherano shouldn't have had his first booking studs were DOWN first tackle of the game, no mal intent far away from the goal, just give a free kick and get on with it

[LiverpoolMadman]

What the ref have done is a crime .... he must be punish ... He have plan this game ... and his plan to let Man u win.

[AussieKopite]

Mascherano sees red and reacts at the injustice of it all.

That's the problem there, he needed to shut his mouth and get his head down and try to turn around the situation.