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[The Manhattan Project]

Disappointed with the result, but with 10-men I suppose it was inevitable.

Masch did have it coming though. After the first booking he was still mouthing off.


Then again, I suppose it's good that his English is coming along well.



No worries. We need to focus on fourth now and then the Champions League.

Still much to play for and important games ahead.

[DRARREG8]

guys lets talk freely a bit ...

the squad needs some purification from some players for two reasons one is that some players doesn't deserve to play for liverpool, two is that some players need to gain some experience and confidence.

on the top of the list of players who doesn't deserve a place on the squad is kuyt he's not effective when he plays usually and this causes problems to rafa cuz he depends on him too much, he's a kind of player who can't do the difference especially in big games. the second name is riise whose  great performance is decaying continuously and aurillio is doing great simultaneously.

some players need to gain some experience and confidence before depending on them especially in big games cuz if you depended on them and their performance was bad that will embarrass them and this will make them lacking their confidence. so rafa shouldn't depend on those players and should give them their chance frequently, i meant by those players babel and skertel thay are liverpool's future.

voronin and crouch, you know what i'm gonna talk about. i think that they need a chance as kuyt and the others then we can discuss if they deserve to play for liverpool or not. crouch has his chance sometimes every while and he always prove that he deserve the place instead of kuyt but i don't know what's going wrong and i'm sure that voronin needs the chance to prove that he's torres's partner.

[destro]

This characterization that Mascherano was "calmly asking" the referee is complete . Seriously, we need to start calling a spade a spade.

It was clear that the multiple times that Mascherano would argue with the referee, he was FAR from calm.

So his face was contorted with anger was it, did you see him launch a tirade of abuse and foul language at the Reff ?

No you didn't , you know why ? because it didn't happen, he WAS calm up to the point where he was shown the red card.

He asked him CALMLY why he had booked Torres and what was going on, he never ran over face to face spitting with anger. I am not saying he was right to do it but lets just get the facts right before we hang him out to dry.

And can people stop saying he told the Reff to f,ck off several times when he was booked, because from where I was sat he was saying it Ronaldo for rolling around and not to the Reff.

[Yari7]

This characterization that Mascherano was "calmly asking" the referee is complete . Seriously, we need to start calling a spade a spade.

It was clear that the multiple times that Mascherano would argue with the referee, he was FAR from calm.

So his face was contorted with anger was it, did you see him launch a tirade of abuse and foul language at the Reff ?

No you didn't , you know why ? because it didn't happen, he WAS calm up to the point where he was shown the red card.

He asked him CALMLY why he had booked Torres and what was going on, he never ran over face to face spitting with anger. I am not saying he was right to do but lets just get the facts right before we hang him out to dry.

And can people stop saying he told the Reff to f,ck off several times when he was booked, because from where I was sat he was saying it Ronaldo for rolling around and not to the Reff.

I saw Masherano launch a tirade of abuse and foul language at the Ref on 3 occasions before he was given the second yellow.

He deserved to go off for dissent.

He made a mistake whcih killed the game for us,.

Lets hope he learns from it.

[destro]

This characterization that Mascherano was "calmly asking" the referee is complete . Seriously, we need to start calling a spade a spade.

It was clear that the multiple times that Mascherano would argue with the referee, he was FAR from calm.

So his face was contorted with anger was it, did you see him launch a tirade of abuse and foul language at the Reff ?

No you didn't , you know why ? because it didn't happen, he WAS calm up to the point where he was shown the red card.

He asked him CALMLY why he had booked Torres and what was going on, he never ran over face to face spitting with anger. I am not saying he was right to do but lets just get the facts right before we hang him out to dry.

And can people stop saying he told the Reff to f,ck off several times when he was booked, because from where I was sat he was saying it Ronaldo for rolling around and not to the Reff.

I saw Masherano launch a tirade of abuse and foul language at the Ref on 3 occasions before he was given the second yellow.

He deserved to go off for dissent.

He made a mistake whcih killed the game for us,.

Lets hope he learns from it.

Really ? care to point out when this happened because although I was surrounded by thousands of United fans, my judgment wasn't clouded. where was you sat that you had a better view than me ?

[NANNY RED]

Why didnt Bennett pull Gerrard to one side and have a word like. he is the captain just tell Masher to calm down cause hes trading on thin ice

Ive seen loads of refs do that, An example has been made to day in the Fall out from the Cole incident were Bennett was the fourth official . I didnt know you could get a card for askin for an explanation from the ref . He only went mental after hed been sent of. Oh and yeh i forgot Torres got a yellow didnt he for askin the ref how many times he was gonna get butcherd.

Im not condoning how Masher kicked off but if the Cole thingy hadnt of happend you could be lookin at a different script

[Yari7]

This characterization that Mascherano was "calmly asking" the referee is complete . Seriously, we need to start calling a spade a spade.

It was clear that the multiple times that Mascherano would argue with the referee, he was FAR from calm.

So his face was contorted with anger was it, did you see him launch a tirade of abuse and foul language at the Reff ?

No you didn't , you know why ? because it didn't happen, he WAS calm up to the point where he was shown the red card.

He asked him CALMLY why he had booked Torres and what was going on, he never ran over face to face spitting with anger. I am not saying he was right to do but lets just get the facts right before we hang him out to dry.

And can people stop saying he told the Reff to f,ck off several times when he was booked, because from where I was sat he was saying it Ronaldo for rolling around and not to the Reff.

I saw Masherano launch a tirade of abuse and foul language at the Ref on 3 occasions before he was given the second yellow.

He deserved to go off for dissent.

He made a mistake whcih killed the game for us,.

Lets hope he learns from it.

Really ? care to point out when this happened because although I was surrounded by thousands of United fans, my judgment wasn't clouded. where was you sat that you had a better view than me ?

I was sat in the comfort of my own home watching live on sky sports.

Mascherano mouthed off to the ref for gettign the yellow card showing clear dissent.

Second, he moyuthed off to the ref after he commited a second minor foul.

Thirdly, he mouthed off when someone else commited a foul on the United player and the ref gave a free kick.

[holylamb2006]

I was sat in the comfort of my own home watching live on sky sports.

Mascherano mouthed off to the ref for gettign the yellow card showing clear dissent.

Second, he moyuthed off to the ref after he commited a second minor foul.

Thirdly, he mouthed off when someone else commited a foul on the United player and the ref gave a free kick

So he asked the ref calmly ''wats happening'' twice .... and the ref thought oh wait thats a very harsh thing to say ''yellow''

Your trying to say he did multiple times but shouldnt he get sent off then maybe, but he shouldnt of got sent off for wat he did you can hear the united fans going '' ohhhhh'' and bennett crumbled not for the first time

[destro]

This characterization that Mascherano was "calmly asking" the referee is complete . Seriously, we need to start calling a spade a spade.

It was clear that the multiple times that Mascherano would argue with the referee, he was FAR from calm.

So his face was contorted with anger was it, did you see him launch a tirade of abuse and foul language at the Reff ?

No you didn't , you know why ? because it didn't happen, he WAS calm up to the point where he was shown the red card.

He asked him CALMLY why he had booked Torres and what was going on, he never ran over face to face spitting with anger. I am not saying he was right to do but lets just get the facts right before we hang him out to dry.

And can people stop saying he told the Reff to f,ck off several times when he was booked, because from where I was sat he was saying it Ronaldo for rolling around and not to the Reff.

I saw Masherano launch a tirade of abuse and foul language at the Ref on 3 occasions before he was given the second yellow.

He deserved to go off for dissent.

He made a mistake whcih killed the game for us,.

Lets hope he learns from it.

Really ? care to point out when this happened because although I was surrounded by thousands of United fans, my judgment wasn't clouded. where was you sat that you had a better view than me ?

I was sat in the comfort of my own home watching live on sky sports.

Mascherano mouthed off to the ref for gettign the yellow card showing clear dissent.

Second, he moyuthed off to the ref after he commited a second minor foul.

Thirdly, he mouthed off when someone else commited a foul on the United player and the ref gave a free kick.

Ah the good old TV camera angle, did it show that he was telling Ronaldo to fck off for falling to the ground when he got booked and NOT the Reff ? or did you just assume he must have been saying it to the Reff.

Secondly I didn't see him mouth off for another foul, but I will watch the game again later on the all seeing TV and decide for myself.

Thirdly what incident was that ? he mouthed off, what did he say did the TV show him swearing and being abusive or did he just mutter a few choice words like EVERY player booked or not did through out the whole game.

So he has gone from launching a tirade of abuse and foul language at the Ref, to just mouthing off.

[NANNY RED]

This characterization that Mascherano was "calmly asking" the referee is complete . Seriously, we need to start calling a spade a spade.

It was clear that the multiple times that Mascherano would argue with the referee, he was FAR from calm.

So his face was contorted with anger was it, did you see him launch a tirade of abuse and foul language at the Reff ?

No you didn't , you know why ? because it didn't happen, he WAS calm up to the point where he was shown the red card.

He asked him CALMLY why he had booked Torres and what was going on, he never ran over face to face spitting with anger. I am not saying he was right to do it but lets just get the facts right before we hang him out to dry.

And can people stop saying he told the Reff to f,ck off several times when he was booked, because from where I was sat he was saying it Ronaldo for rolling around and not to the Reff.

spot on Destro lad and that Bas.tard droopy lip shoul have been given a card aswell for shoutin to the ref that Masher already had a card .

The thing is a lot goes on in games what you dont see on the telly

[Yari7]

This characterization that Mascherano was "calmly asking" the referee is complete . Seriously, we need to start calling a spade a spade.

It was clear that the multiple times that Mascherano would argue with the referee, he was FAR from calm.

So his face was contorted with anger was it, did you see him launch a tirade of abuse and foul language at the Reff ?

No you didn't , you know why ? because it didn't happen, he WAS calm up to the point where he was shown the red card.

He asked him CALMLY why he had booked Torres and what was going on, he never ran over face to face spitting with anger. I am not saying he was right to do but lets just get the facts right before we hang him out to dry.

And can people stop saying he told the Reff to f,ck off several times when he was booked, because from where I was sat he was saying it Ronaldo for rolling around and not to the Reff.

I saw Masherano launch a tirade of abuse and foul language at the Ref on 3 occasions before he was given the second yellow.

He deserved to go off for dissent.

He made a mistake whcih killed the game for us,.

Lets hope he learns from it.

Really ? care to point out when this happened because although I was surrounded by thousands of United fans, my judgment wasn't clouded. where was you sat that you had a better view than me ?

I was sat in the comfort of my own home watching live on sky sports.

Mascherano mouthed off to the ref for gettign the yellow card showing clear dissent.

Second, he moyuthed off to the ref after he commited a second minor foul.

Thirdly, he mouthed off when someone else commited a foul on the United player and the ref gave a free kick.

Ah the good old TV camera angle, did it show that he was telling Ronaldo to fck off for falling to the ground when he got booked and NOT the Reff ? or did you just assume he must have been saying it to the Reff.

Secondly I didn't see him mouth off for another foul, but I will watch the game again later on the all seeing TV and decide for myself.

Thirdly what incident was that ? he mouthed off, what did he say did the TV show him swearing and being abusive or did he just mutter a few choice words like EVERY player booked or not did through out the whole game.

So he has gone from launching a tirade of abuse and foul language at the Ref, to just mouthing off.

Watch the game again on Match of the day and tell me if I am wrong.

Equally, if I am wrogn and I am recountign incidents which didnt happen, I will come on here and apologize.

[destro]

This characterization that Mascherano was "calmly asking" the referee is complete . Seriously, we need to start calling a spade a spade.

It was clear that the multiple times that Mascherano would argue with the referee, he was FAR from calm.

So his face was contorted with anger was it, did you see him launch a tirade of abuse and foul language at the Reff ?

No you didn't , you know why ? because it didn't happen, he WAS calm up to the point where he was shown the red card.

He asked him CALMLY why he had booked Torres and what was going on, he never ran over face to face spitting with anger. I am not saying he was right to do but lets just get the facts right before we hang him out to dry.

And can people stop saying he told the Reff to f,ck off several times when he was booked, because from where I was sat he was saying it Ronaldo for rolling around and not to the Reff.

I saw Masherano launch a tirade of abuse and foul language at the Ref on 3 occasions before he was given the second yellow.

He deserved to go off for dissent.

He made a mistake whcih killed the game for us,.

Lets hope he learns from it.

Really ? care to point out when this happened because although I was surrounded by thousands of United fans, my judgment wasn't clouded. where was you sat that you had a better view than me ?

I was sat in the comfort of my own home watching live on sky sports.

Mascherano mouthed off to the ref for gettign the yellow card showing clear dissent.

Second, he moyuthed off to the ref after he commited a second minor foul.

Thirdly, he mouthed off when someone else commited a foul on the United player and the ref gave a free kick.

Ah the good old TV camera angle, did it show that he was telling Ronaldo to fck off for falling to the ground when he got booked and NOT the Reff ? or did you just assume he must have been saying it to the Reff.

Secondly I didn't see him mouth off for another foul, but I will watch the game again later on the all seeing TV and decide for myself.

Thirdly what incident was that ? he mouthed off, what did he say did the TV show him swearing and being abusive or did he just mutter a few choice words like EVERY player booked or not did through out the whole game.

So he has gone from launching a tirade of abuse and foul language at the Ref, to just mouthing off.

Watch the game again on Match of the day and tell me if I am wrong.

Equally, if I am wrogn and I am recountign incidents which didnt happen, I will come on here and apologize.

Fair enough, if they have multiple camera angles of all the incidents you have mentioned like they love to do then I will hold my hands up. I can only say what I saw as can you.

Like Nanny said though did they show Ferdinand constantly in the Refs ear telling him how to do his job ?

[NANNY RED]

OK we know he went into one a couple of times me the mancs have been doin it for years especialy that fat b.astard im a blue, So as i said before why did he not have a word with our captain if he thought Masherano was overstepping the mark and just let stevie know that he was treading on ice and if he carried on he would go. Simple

[J*o*n*D*o*e]

lets see what happens next saturday but i can tell you now nothing will change, this was bennett making a point after the stick he took after the spurs game, simple as, a descent ref would have had a word in his ear telling him he was on thin ice, the incident where he got yellowed he has his arms by his side, is smiling and clearly not swearing but asking, yes asking not shouting, asking whats going on.

come on people if we go down this road the game wont be worth watching in 5 years, its a liverpool manure game there are going to be verbals, get a fooking spine and get on with it, i can understand if the ref is manhandled or a player is screaming abuse in his face but if you think that deserved a yellow you need to start watching bowls

you know from our freekick we get a player given a yellow and a player sent off

[BOODIDDY]

Mascerano is made the scapegoat for chelsea and arsenals failings. The reason isthat mr bennett has always been a stickler for fusiness. He was the fourth official on weds at hart lane and knows that he was making a statement.

No foul language, torres getting butchered (even though fergie has asked the refs to look after the flair players) and hold and behold Liverpool FC get the thick end of the brunt when over the history of the prem we are the fairest team in the land.

Every week since rooney has been a professional, we see him effing and blinding at refs, officials, fans and opposing players.

Andy gray was right in that steve bennett will never be capable of reffing a "grand slam" game. But, if clattenburg had been given it there would of been uproar in salford because fergie detests him.

It will quieten down in a few weeks and the likes of drogba, eboue, toure, terry, essien, carvallho, makalele et al wil get away with there relentless pursuing of refs and their pursuit of cheating in the match.

I feel sick to my stomach, that we are penalised for thers misdomeaners.