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[7_Kewell]

You are an absolute disgrace Emerald, are you advocating that all players should be allowed to tell the ref to F&ck off?? What kind of example is that sending youngsters to see their heroes have zero respect for authority.
I suppose you regularly tell your boss to f&ck off as well do you??

That gave me a laugh. It honestly did.

And, yeah, I've told many a ref to f*ck off. I've told my mates to f*ck off. And I'd certainly tell my boss to f*ck off too if I felt I was being hard done by.

Anyway, that's not the point. He got booked for that one. The point is, did you see him say "f*ck off" when he walked up to the ref? I didn't.

Anyway, to quote Shanks "The trouble with referee's is that they don't understand the game".

I agree.

Emerald, sorry mate but Mascherano was a stupid fu.cker today.  It was obvious he was going to get a red card and it didn't matter whether he told the ref to fu.ck off or not, it's the fact that he was in the ref's face on 2 or 3 different occasions gesturing and mouthing off after he was on a booking - he lost the plot and there is no defending him.

Another point however is the fact that in the 2nd half after a dubious foul against Arbeloa was given on the edge of our box, you could clearly see Gerrard mouth the word 'fu.ck' to the ref in a tirade of abuse, yet nothing happened.  My point is that the ref today was probably tolerating most verbal abuse, but as is often the case if a player makes a gesture or appears overly aggressive (like Mascherano) then they are going to get disciplined.

Most watching on tv won't have picked up on the Gerrard incident and therefore the ref will let it slide.  However, he can't be seen to be allowing Mascherano to get right in his face at every decision and given the spotlight on the ref following the Cole v Spurs situation, the ref had no option but to produce the red.

Then ask yourself this. Do you think Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney, Ronaldo, or Terry would have been sent off for that second so called offense? I don't. I'd sooner take Benitez's word on it from the point of view of one of his own players (Babel) than anyone on this forum. From Masch's reaction, you could tell he was genuinely stunned. If he was just asking a question, to be sent off for that is wrong and an utter joke and that's a fact.

The fact Emerald, is that when you are on a booking, you don't sprint 30 yards to stick your face in the referee's to contest another player's booking when you are playing for the away side at Old Trafford.  It's fu.cking suicide.

Then you're implying the referee had a bias towards United then? For me, this still doesn't justify a sending off. Not ever. Not for any player for any team.

Let's say you're the ref today.  You have already booked Mascherano for what you believe to be a bad tackle and a bookable offence (we know from the replays that this was not the case).  The next 2 decisions you give against the away side Mascherano is waving his arms around in protest and giving you verbals.  You let it slide as he's clearly fired up for the game.  Then after an incident involving another player, Mascherano sprints 30 yards and sticks his face in yours, protesting, again giving you verbals.  You walk backwards but Mascherano continues to advance towards you in a threatening manner, even his team mate Alonso cannot hold him back.  The crowd are against Mascherano and you have 60 thousand calling for you to book him.  Mascherano still comes at you, what do you do???

I'd have called him over the first time and had a word with him. Problem solved. No need to book him and ruin the game.

the Ref had told Masch on 2 occasions to be quiet and go away....EVERYTIME he ran over, waving his hands and being a .  I agree with John Craig....Masch gave the ref little choice but to send him off.

[Bad Bob]

Totally gutted. Mascher was stupid for his contant mouthyness.

The over reliance on SG is getting stupid (over reliance on Torres as well now). When are going to bring more match winners into the team.  Players that can turn a game into our advantage?

Where was plan B or even C?

Have you got about a billion pounds to buy us out and then buy us these match winners?

Wish I had.  But look, no plan B or C- that' IMO.  TBH why can't being match winner be instilled into the player from the moment they are bought.

In all fairness, mate, it's hard to come up with a viable Plan B or C when down to ten men and a goal behind at Old Trafford.

I think we managed the best we could.  We soaked up pressure for long spells before growing into the game a bit in the middle of the second half.  We started to keep the ball better and won a few free kicks, which was always going to be our most realistic route back into the game.  Unfortunately, they didn't come to anything and we lost concentration on a set piece after tiring.

[JC_81]

Totally gutted. Mascher was stupid for his contant mouthyness.

The over reliance on SG is getting stupid (over reliance on Torres as well now). When are going to bring more match winners into the team.  Players that can turn a game into our advantage?

Where was plan B or even C?

Have you got about a billion pounds to buy us out and then buy us these match winners?

Wish I had.  But look, no plan B or C- that' IMO.  TBH why can't being match winner be instilled into the player from the moment they are bought.

In all fairness, mate, it's hard to come up with a viable Plan B or C when down to ten men and a goal behind at Old Trafford.

I think we managed the best we could.  We soaked up pressure for long spells before growing into the game a bit in the middle of the second half.  We started to keep the ball better and won a few free kicks, which was always going to be our most realistic route back into the game.  Unfortunately, they didn't come to anything and we lost concentration on a set piece after tiring.

Agreed.

Once we went down to 10 men there wasn't much Rafa could do to change it in terms of what system we play.  Once you're down to 10 it's two banks of four, leave one up front and do your best.

[KennyisGod....still]

Where the hell was Captain marvellous when Mascha was getting sent off or Alonso for that matter, they should have stepped in and stopped him, or even better Rafa should have subbed him earlier, it wasn't just two incidents he was moaning to Bennet The whole bloody half the stupid Argie pr1ck!!

If you watch a replay Alonso does - albeit half heartedly - attempt to pull Mascha back, but the guy seemed on a mission!

[destro]

it wasn't just two incidents he was moaning to Bennet The whole bloody half the stupid Argie pr1ck!!



That just highlights the fact that people should not post their feelings without thinking them through, what a credit to Liverpool Football Clubs supporters you are, no matter how upset you are with the result that is disgraceful,  you should feel really proud of yourself for coming out with a remark like that. Idiot 

[banana]

formation didnt work this time. but i think the sending off is the reason as it left a huge hole in the middle. alonso wasnt good enough to deal with it. and gerrard looked lost.

The system was working. And working well. The sending off ruined us.

And people slating Kuyt in this game are completely clueless about football. He was making some great runs, intelligent link-up play, and worked his socks off as usual. He was our pivotal player up until the sending off.

Kuyt. What a joka. Another miserable game. Probably the worst game I have ever seen him play and that says a LOT.

Never close to the ball. His pace is unbelievable, or the lack of that is. He is the worst defender and the worst midfielder and the worst attacker I have seen. He can not play anywhere. Dreadful first touch. Dreadful finishing ability. Weak. Slow. Horrible in the air. Boring to watch. Bas passing. No flair. No technique. No acceleration.

His only asset is his "mentality". And that does not make him a footballer.

[KennyisGod....still]

After re-watching the mash clip, was he going to fight the ref?

First time I seen it. Anyone saying he deserved to go for that is a bell end. Sorry. That was a f*cking joke. Mascherano's reaction after seeing the yellow just says it all. Complete astonishment. That ref is a c*ck sucker!

Sorry mate, the fact he ran from half a mile away to remonstrate kinda helped make book-em-bennett's mind up for me. It wernt the second time he done it, it was about the 5th or 6th. To be fair, nearly as stupid as Matterazzi's at Anfield. Tho he WAS right, Torres shudnt have been booked.

[stmichael]

The truth is, he would never have made such a decision had it been a United player in question.

[Reg]

I found a quote to sum up my opinion of Mancs, inbreds and Old Trafford in general:


“It was the kind of crowd that would have made the Fool Killer lower his club and shake his head and walk away, frustrated by the magnitude of the opportunity.”   Tom Wolfe

[Bad Bob]

The truth is, he would never have made such a decision had it been a United player in question.

Perhaps you're right, mate, but surely our lads know that the officiating is "generous" to the home side at Old Trafford going in?  Why give Bennett such an easy opportunity to get his name in lights?

[stmichael]

formation didnt work this time. but i think the sending off is the reason as it left a huge hole in the middle. alonso wasnt good enough to deal with it. and gerrard looked lost.

The system was working. And working well. The sending off ruined us.

And people slating Kuyt in this game are completely clueless about football. He was making some great runs, intelligent link-up play, and worked his socks off as usual. He was our pivotal player up until the sending off.

Kuyt. What a joka. Another miserable game. Probably the worst game I have ever seen him play and that says a LOT.

Never close to the ball. His pace is unbelievable, or the lack of that is. He is the worst defender and the worst midfielder and the worst attacker I have seen. He can not play anywhere. Dreadful first touch. Dreadful finishing ability. Weak. Slow. Horrible in the air. Boring to watch. Bas passing. No flair. No technique. No acceleration.

His only asset is his "mentality". And that does not make him a footballer.

there were players a lot worse than kuyt today mate.

[stmichael]

The truth is, he would never have made such a decision had it been a United player in question.

Perhaps you're right, mate, but surely our lads know that the officiating is "generous" to the home side at Old Trafford going in?  Why give Bennett such an easy opportunity to get his name in lights?

The Ref definitely had the " I'm going to be the one to show them I don't take any sh#t" attitude after all the talk about players getting away intimidating the ref.

He should've kept out of it. But if he was constantly saying things to the ref then he should've been told by the ref that he's not going to put up with it and he'll have no hesitation in sending him off. He got no warning as far as I'm aware and neither did Torres. He should've made clear his stance before the game or to players who were moaning. Before the Chelsea-Arsenal game, you could clearly see Clattenburg telling both captains not to give him any lip or else. I didn't see this with Bennett.

But to go from what players are used to to zero tolerance is ridiculous. The ref is trying to make an example. Intimidation and screaming and shouting are one thing, this is different.

[banana]

formation didnt work this time. but i think the sending off is the reason as it left a huge hole in the middle. alonso wasnt good enough to deal with it. and gerrard looked lost.

The system was working. And working well. The sending off ruined us.

And people slating Kuyt in this game are completely clueless about football. He was making some great runs, intelligent link-up play, and worked his socks off as usual. He was our pivotal player up until the sending off.

Kuyt. What a joka. Another miserable game. Probably the worst game I have ever seen him play and that says a LOT.

Never close to the ball. His pace is unbelievable, or the lack of that is. He is the worst defender and the worst midfielder and the worst attacker I have seen. He can not play anywhere. Dreadful first touch. Dreadful finishing ability. Weak. Slow. Horrible in the air. Boring to watch. Bas passing. No flair. No technique. No acceleration.

His only asset is his "mentality". And that does not make him a footballer.

there were players a lot worse than kuyt today mate.

I think you are wrong. There were many poor players out there. Arbeloa, Gerrard, Aurelio, Skrtel, Carragher, Reina

but all these players at least have some ability and may improve their game or make a positive contribution. Kuyt can't.

He made zero crosses
Had zero shots on target
Made zero dribbles
Had zero shots off target
Created zero corners
Won zero free-kicks
Won zero headers

He is running aroud like a headless chicken with zero pace. Offering nothing going forward. Offering nothing in defence.

[NANNY RED]

Rafa should just ban Mascharano for the rest of the season, for punishment of costing us that game!

pleb.

he got lucky with that game at anfield when he pinched that guy in the nose who slapped him and then HE got sent off, a couple of weeks back.!

Bellend

Are you having a laugh or on a wind up or what?

Ive just got back from the game totaly gutted dont know what everyone else is sayin only what i saw myself

Torres was getting hacked to death if it would of been outside of footie there defence would of been up on gbh charges Any one booked for that no

Im sorry but no bottle today from most of our players and i dont care if i get slated for saying this but if they played with as much passion and the will to win in the short time Masher was on the pitch getting beat by them to day would have been easier to take.

I just read your post Torres and what ever your smoking i want some cause thats the loadest bit of that ive seen written on here .

Masherano did not rant at the Ref he was calmly asking him why Torres got booked i was at the Spurs , Chelsea game the other night and who do you think was the fourth official Yes Mr Steve Bennett so this was a defo make a statement from the cole incident .

I thought Raffa was gonna lamp someone though he really went into one arms flayin around shoutin .

Kuyt was his useual self worked his a.rse off and defended well when called for. its a shame them players with more talent dont take a leaf out of his book and aleast try and have a go.

Me feet are killin me from all the bouncin we sang that Torres song for a good 15 mins non stop only good thing about the game today we out sang the mancs


Go and collect your brown paper bag Mr Bennett you spoiled the game

[skatesy]

This characterization that Mascherano was "calmly asking" the referee is complete . Seriously, we need to start calling a spade a spade.

It was clear that the multiple times that Mascherano would argue with the referee, he was FAR from calm.