Liverpool FC Forum

[dawson99]

what does a manager need quality wise?

If you want this choice position
Have a cheery disposition
Rosy cheeks, no warts!
Play games, all sort

You must be kind, you must be witty
Very sweet and fairly pretty
Take us on outings, give us treats
Sing songs, bring sweets

Never be cross or cruel
Never give us castor oil or gruel
Love us as a son and daughter
And never smell of barley water

If you won't scold and dominate us
We will never give you cause to hate us
We won't hide your spectacles
So you can't see
Put toads in your bed
Or pepper in your tea

[woof woof !]

Ok he was talking about a player at the time but to quote Shanks, after being told how big , strong, quick and deadly a player was he responded with

"Aye son, he might be all that, but is he lucky ? "

Success in football turns on the bounce of the ball , gimme a manager blessed with luck.

Glen Hoddle and Terry Venables as national managers only inches from glory but a divot in the pitch, the way the grass was cut, a refs decision took it away from them.

Gimme all the attributes you want but first and foremost gimme that intangible that is "Luck"

[heimdall]

For a coach all that is really needed is man-management and tactics.
For a manager you could add media savy, skill in transfer market and relationship to fans.

Looking at it objectively Rafa only scores highly on one, relationship to fans.

[Igor Zidane]

For a coach all that is really needed is man-management and tactics.
For a manager you could add media savy, skill in transfer market and relationship to fans.

Looking at it objectively Rafa only scores highly on one, relationship to fans.

yeh but this thread is'nt about rafa is it?


I asked a question in another thread last week, the question was never answered and the thread was locked, so I thought lets start a thread and gauge opinion.

I don't want any names mentioned, I don't want you to link a quality to a certain manager, this is not a rafa out thread or a jose in thread.

So the question:

What qualities do you think the manager of LFC should have? as an example do you think he should have league winning experience as a manager? Do you think he should be humble or outspoken? etc etc etc

I was going to limit it to 5 qualities but what the hell, list as many as you want, and remember, name no names you rapscallions

[Starbridge42]

Ok he was talking about a player at the time but to quote Shanks, after being told how big , strong, quick and deadly a player was he responded with

"Aye son, he might be all that, but is he lucky ? "

Success in football turns on the bounce of the ball , gimme a manager blessed with luck.

Glen Hoddle and Terry Venables as national managers only inches from glory but a divot in the pitch, the way the grass was cut, a refs decision took it away from them.

Gimme all the attributes you want but first and foremost gimme that intangible that is "Luck"

True but how do you quantify such an 'attribute'?  To quote Thomas Jefferson 'I am a great believer in luck, and I find the harder I work, the more I have of it.'

[tonyeh]

Important manager skills are team motivation, the illusion of objectivity, adaptability/flexability, a firm control in decision making and a logical approach to the game, both tactically and strategically (or short term and long term). A good manager should also learn to be very cagey with the press and never to give too much away.

But the most important manager skill is to be able to man-manage a team on many different levels. Without that, you're sunk. Even a poor team can do wonders if the right manager can get them "on side". In the days of bloated squads, like we have now, a good man-manager is all the more important.

Of course few, if any, men (or women   ) have all of these qualities.

[Effes]

Well, they say a manager is judged by his signings - so first would be an eye for a good player.
This would mean the majority of his signings would be successful.
It would also mean he could buy quality players at a good price i.e before they caught the eyes of the media and other clubs.
It would also mean he could nurtue any talent in the reserves or youth set up.

Also good man-management skills, inspirational and sound tactical nous.

[heimdall]

For a coach all that is really needed is man-management and tactics.
For a manager you could add media savy, skill in transfer market and relationship to fans.

Looking at it objectively Rafa only scores highly on one, relationship to fans.

yeh but this thread is'nt about rafa is it?


I asked a question in another thread last week, the question was never answered and the thread was locked, so I thought lets start a thread and gauge opinion.

I don't want any names mentioned, I don't want you to link a quality to a certain manager, this is not a rafa out thread or a jose in thread.

So the question:

What qualities do you think the manager of LFC should have? as an example do you think he should have league winning experience as a manager? Do you think he should be humble or outspoken? etc etc etc

I was going to limit it to 5 qualities but what the hell, list as many as you want, and remember, name no names you rapscallions

Oops sorry

[bigmick]

Two or three things spring to mind here. Firstly and formostly if you want to win the Premiership you need a manager who has demonstrated in the past that he ruthlessly hunts consecutive wins in football matches. Quite simply, his obsession has to be to win, to win again, and to win again. I don't think it necessarily has to be in England although it obviously is a bonus if it is. Managers who have as their core objective not to lose football matches but to win if you can, will not nowadays win the Premiership. Italian managers from the old school aren't what you are looking for, you need ruthless win racker uppers. If a manager has not managed in England previously, he must quickly adapt to how football is played in the country of its invention. He mustn't bring pre-concieved dogma from where he has practiced his profession previously.

Secondly, in our circumstances we are outgunned financially to varying degrees by three clubs these days. Because of that, you need a manager who overall maximises the return on investement in the transfer market wherever possible. If you're already a fraction behind the eight ball, managers who squander money are no good to you. You need an astute wheeler and dealer, who has a clear idea in his mind exactly what type of team he is trying to build. The simple law of football economics is that you pay more when you are approaching a club to sign a bloke who they don't want to sell, than you recieve when you are forcibly outing a bloke through a revolving door. You need a manager who is fully up with this concept.

Thirdly, given how expensive modern footballers are both to sign and to pay, and also given out aforementioned financial situation, you need someone who nurtures young players and allows them to develop into first team players. You need a manager who can look at the resources at his disposal with imagination, can unearth gems from within the ranks and potentially build a team without breaking the bank.

Fourthly, and this ties it all together really. You need a manager that by virtue of both his man management skills towards each and every individual player, and his group man management skills in terms of bonding an unbreakable team spirit, can allow the team to achieve things which are greater tahn the sum of it's parts. You want people to be talking of your team "overachieving" and not underachieving. You want a manager who can get the players to the much talked about "run through brick walls" stage.

Fifthly, it would be lovely if he's a smashing bloke but I think the other four are more important.

[Igor Zidane]

Who is this quote  about and where is it from ? Special prize to whomever gets the right answer  and no googeling .



"...Disappointingly, ******* appeared prone to falling foul of the boardroom at each of these clubs as he never felt they gave the same committment to team affairs as he did. He had walked out on ******** and ******* citing a lack of financial committment on the part of the directors and often felt exasperated by people who simply didn't share his passion for the game."

[NANNY RED]

Id say that was Shanks ,Igor

[Kharhaz]

Id say that was Shanks ,Igor

Me too, im pretty sure I read something like that when he managed my home town club (Grimsby) and Huddersfield.

I say home town club, we actually play in cleethorpes !

[NANNY RED]

Im sure i read it in Steven Kellys book on him ages ago

[JoeTerp]

which would you prefer:  experience winning a league at a big club on the continent, experience winning at a lower level in English football, doing well in the prem at a smaller club, or an assistant with premiership winning experience?

[account deleted by request]

ALL of the above would be nice Joe